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[terdferguson123]

I don't completely agree, but he does make some valid points honestly.  If this succeeds, this will serve as an example that if enough people complain fiction will be changed or else. When we go this route, we are in danger of taking away the magic of "wonder what's next" in fiction. Sorry to poop on your parade, but even you guys have to see that this is possibly dangerous for the future.

[ahandsomeshark]

IGN does it because they know fans will get angry and post links everywhere driving up their page views.

So just ignore it and stop using them. There's about 10,000 other game sites.

[Greed1914]

kookie28 wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that Bioware is planning to add to or change the endings?

Ray's post didn't confirm anything.

That's more or less what the masseffect response was to when Colin sent them a message about his disappointment in them on twitter.  They just told him they haven't actually changed anything yet. 


At a minimum, he's jumping the gun here.  Bioware hasn't told us anything beyond that they are listening.  That is all, and there is zero harm in at least listening.

[GreyLord]

At this point I think they are purposefully going to opposite way to create controversy. The reason is this causes all of you to go to their site to see if it's real, you see their advertisements, and they get page hits. This generates revenue for IGN.

[bq67798]

what is this "bioware announces new ending blah blah"? I don't recall seeing that anywhere official.

[Brother Kosh]

Wait hold on a second, did that Colin chap just say he understood the ending?

He knows why Joker ran away from the biggest battle in history?

He understood how my squad got onto the Normandy?

Well that's it guys, with a mind like that against us we should just lie down and accept it. No way can we take on someone as smart as him.

[tenojitsu]

Dridengx wrote...

MassFrank wrote...

If you want the endings to change. Be glad these guys are against you, because I think they would do more harm if they were for you.

You think so? IGN helps people all the time just recently they held a tournament with Capcom to help promote their game giving out cash and prizes. IGN is big and well known within the gaming community, ofcourse being so big also means biggest hate as well, such with all things popular.

Funny thing is, no one is for Retake Movement but.... Angry Joe, Gamefront, and..........yeah that's it. Who's against Retake? everyone. Congrats, though, you cried yourself to FTC, BBB, Refunds, took control of forums, and wrote letters, did petitions, and got your voice out there.. pity its all for a video game ending lol and not something worth a damn.. like political movement,  an election, to create a law, to save someone on death row etc

Everyone who is not getting paid by EA, thanks for proving our point

[judge515]

Um...movies have director's cuts and are considered an art form; why are video games above this?

[Arbiter156]

While I think bioware has made the right decision, this doesn't mean that when Bethesda releases the next elder scrolls that people are going to demand a change to the ending because frankly no-one plays the elder scrolls for its story but rather for its freedom to do whatever the hell you want. Conversely we are demanding a change to mass effect 3s ending because it is a story driven game that many have become emotionally invested in which ends on a note that doesn't reflect the quality of the series as a whole let alone the dozens of choices that the player has made throughout.

Videogames are an artistic medium but that doesn't mean changing it compromises their artistic integrity, if anything it strengthens it. With feedback you always end up with something a dozen times better that what you started with, it's how the mass effect series has been built, by both bioware and the fans. Think how different mass effect 2 and 3 would have been without fan input.

As for calling us a vocal minority and saying he has lost respect for bioware he needs to be slapped out of his apathy. Frankly I now hate ignorant gaming news even more than I did before.

[Aweus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I don't completely agree, but he does make some valid points honestly.  If this succeeds, this will serve as an example that if enough people complain fiction will be changed or else. When we go this route, we are in danger of taking away the magic of "wonder what's next" in fiction. Sorry to poop on your parade, but even you guys have to see that this is possibly dangerous for the future.

I would agree with you if this would be considering altering ending of a movie or book. But we are talking about adding more options to an interactive video game. Seriously some people cant grasp the difference?

[Brother Kosh]

And if he really liked his ending so much and doesnt want to ruin it, here's a thought, dont download the extended ending DLC.

[RLesueur]

kookie28 wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that Bioware is planning to add to or change the endings?

Ray's post didn't confirm anything.

I think mainly because his post said they were planning on adding to the endings.

[darkiddd]

oh look is that guy again...

moving on.

[Renew81]

[Nuclear Pete]

judge515 wrote...

Um...movies have director's cuts and are considered an art form; why are video games above this?

Exactly, I made this point a few pages ago. So does music...

[Alex Arterius]

As some one who respects IGN and holds their words to a very high regard, I find this video both infuriating and offensive.

Collin is basically calling our fan bases reaction invalid, and considers our dissatisfaction null and void.

Where do you even start to point out all the things that are wrong with this? If our negative feedback is so invalid then doesn't that also make your review useless? You too are a a member of the fan base are you not, so should we disregard your positive views?

Mass Effect is as much OUR story as it is Biowares, more so then any other media franchise I would argue. When a company gives you options of how to experience a story and presents to you different paths to take through it, of course the fan base is going to be annoyed when you create a pretty much cannon ending.

It's very old fashioned to think that the creator of a product should have a 100% say in what happens to that product and that everyone else should effectively "deal with it" and contribute zilch towards the outcome. We live in a modern world where we can take on board others ideas to enhance a product (just look at the fan fiction in the ME universe!) I see no logical reason why fans should not also be able to contribute their ideas towards a games ending as much as the creators, especially when we are the ones the product is aimed at.

It's BS to assume this is going to set a negative precedent, why isn't it a positive one? Because of Bioware changing the ending fans of all fictions may now be able to influence certain aspects of the design and have their voices heard to enhance the over all quality of the product.

I've listened to your views Collin, however I smell BS all over them.

[LordSlavius]

Dridengx has been an unrepentent troll from the beginning. He doesn't agree that the ending suck so rather then engage in constructive debate on the matter with those who disagree with him he instead belittles, insults and just generally aggrevates to try and make himself feel like a bigger man.

Stop engaging him in conversation and he'll eventually return to his bridge.

[Zyrious]

Dridengx wrote...

t003 wrote...

How is the feedback system a "dangerous precedent"?

Because, if you watched the video and listened. How easy will be it be for fans to bully other developers by saying CHANGE YOUR ENDING!! WE HATE IT! BIOWARE DID IT!! wah wah wah you know, like you guys did to Bioware using Broken Steel? lol oh now it rings a bell huh? because you know its been used here many many times

Books have been changed after fan outcry. Entire movies have been changed after screenings. Infact, the whole purpose of a screening(For most companies atleast) is to see if the story needs to be adjusted at all so people will enjoy it more.

Why should a game  be exempt from this? Infact, games are much more intimate, RPG's especially so, because of player involvement. If a book of such caliber as those about Sherlock Holmes can have their ending changed due to fan outcry, why not Mass Effect 3?

The biggest problem in this industry is the amount of industry-related press that relies on company kickbacks and early access, affecting bias and journalistic integrity. What we need is more industry-relevant sites to come up that dont rely on gaming companies for their monetary income, but rather consumers. They should cross-over with other industries for ad-revenue, and use their integrity as a source for drawing in readers. until that happens we're stuck with this and relying on non-industry critics.

Modifié par Zyrious, 21 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[kookie28]

Grasich wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

Why is everyone assuming that Bioware is planning to add to or change the endings?

Ray's post didn't confirm anything.

Either they do this, or they will suffer. (financially, of course) Fans(customers) don't like being treated like wallets that the company can just take from whenever they want and claim "artistic integerity" whenever the fans(customers) have an issue with it.

I just hope everyone is preparing foor the worst. Literally changing the ending itself is unlikely (as much as I hate it) so I don't expect much more than an epilogue text box. Unless they expanded on it somehow . . . that would be interesting. Not likely. But I'm open to it.

[esideras]

This moron has never heard of ART FROM ADVERSITY. Ask yourself, if you were an artist and you made something really great, but you are getting bashed to hell for it. Would you not want to change that?

[nevar00]

Aweus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

I don't completely agree, but he does make some valid points honestly.  If this succeeds, this will serve as an example that if enough people complain fiction will be changed or else. When we go this route, we are in danger of taking away the magic of "wonder what's next" in fiction. Sorry to poop on your parade, but even you guys have to see that this is possibly dangerous for the future.

I would agree with you if this would be considering altering ending of a movie or book. But we are talking about adding more options to an interactive video game. Seriously some people cant grasp the difference?

Beats me.  Not to mention that these options WERE ALREADY PROMISED.  


And, not to mention, this ending certainly is not art. Plot holes, dues ex machinas... ha ha ha, no it's not art. 

[TheWerdna]

I didn't even watch it for the sake of my own sanity. I know if i do watch it it will make me angry and/or drive me completely insane.

[Syrellaris]

IGN is one of the last places I would look for honest reviews to be honest.

[Midarc2nd]

Yeah, fallout3, prince of persia, et al.

Well, I suppose it's only a dangerous precedent when it's happening to a company whose patronage they... hmn... value so much.

Or perhaps the precedent is that this time it's being asked for rather than bestowed upon us from above like a blessing on our unworthy peasant/customer-souls.

Ahh.
That's a little too bitter.
Though, in fairness any vitriol herein is not directed at Bioware (who, incidently, I still love despite our recent disagreement. come on baby, you know we can work this out...) but towards the ever loathable IGN.

[Marfyy]

I hardly ever post on BSN, call me a lurker if you will. I've been an avid Bioware supporter since as long as I can remember. I admit I might not like certain endings to their games but I've always respected the closure they brought. Some endings are memorable, some aren't. DA:O had multiple endings, I got a rather depressing one but I still thought it was amazing.

I fully believe that my fellow gamers aren't going to set some sort of "precedent" where they'll become activists each time an ending isn't exactly the way they wanted it to be. No, this is about giving ME3 a worthy ending that's respectful to the series, to its fans and ultimately to Bioware.

Bioware can do better than this.