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[Lunatic LK47]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You weren't lied to people, you simply received what was promised in a different form than you thought you would.

Wow, you'd make a really great press secretary. "The president has not secretly bombed North Korea, he has merely redistributed it over a wide area."

Oh Lmaoboat, you got a genuine LOL out of me for that one.

Gotta admit, it is an epic win.

[jess05]

Was a video on YouTube documenting these statements as well.

I would like to hear what they have to say about it.
Kinda odd they havent yet.

Modifié par jess05, 24 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[ZombifiedJake]

I wonder if they had different endings as of the time of releasing those statements. Because if you link what they've said to what we have now, then they clearly lied.

[jess05]

Has dates for many.

Seems it was announced ME3 went gold Feb.13 2012.

So I suppose theres no way to deny anything said after Feb 13?   Or at what point is there no backtracking?

Modifié par jess05, 24 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Michel1986]

“There
are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could
you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be
forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any
more than that…”

I LOL'D at that, everyone gets the same ending HAHAHAHAHAHA!

LioWare

[Ronin1325]

I've said many times that I have no problem if people *like* the ending, and I don't think that those of us who don't should be harassing those who do. However, as I wrote earlier in this thread I still think it would behove critics of our stance to directly deal with the dev quotes, instead of always sidestepping them.

[Baldrick67]

From all the broken promises EA and Bioware are like politicans - they tell you what you want to hear and forget those promises once elected.

Ironic considering how scummy the politicans are portrayed in the ME universe.

[Lunatic LK47]

Bumping.

[bluewolv1970]

op - agreed

[Lunatic LK47]

Bump.

[Thornne]

The irony of this, to me, is that if the (apparent) PR campaign to get people to lay off the ending works, Bioware loses. The only reason most people are this upset, I suspect, is because they WANT to love the game. They WANT to see Bioware make great games they want to buy. And they're not getting that anymore.

So, if people give up and go away, it seems likely they'll have given up on Bioware, as much as having given up complaining about the ending.

But maybe it's a little to late to fix that. And the recent press releases don't seem to indicate there is any real concern for the loyal customers they stand to lose over this issue.

Modifié par Thornne, 25 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Lunatic LK47]

Thornne wrote...

The irony of this, to me, is that if the (apparent) PR campaign to get people to lay off the ending works, Bioware loses. The only reason most people are this upset, I suspect, is because they WANT to love the game. They WANT to see Bioware make great games they want to buy. And they're not getting that anymore.

So, if people give up and go away, it seems likely they'll have given up on Bioware, as much as having given up complaining about the ending.

But maybe it's a little to late to fix that. And the recent press releases don't seem to indicate there is any real concern for the loyal customers they stand to lose over this issue.

Quoted for Mother****ing truth on the first paragraph.

[Lunatic LK47]

Bumping.

[OhoniX]

The OP really needs to learn the difference between a difference of opinion and false advertising. False advertising is when there is a factual inaccuracy in the ad copy, like perhaps promising a racing game element when there isn't any, or something along those lines. Nothing in the quotes you copied promised a fact that they did not deliver on, it merely laid out their opinions about certain aspects of the game, which you did not agree with having played it.

If gamers could sue over a game being overhyped by it's creator, sue Peter Molyneux first, then come back for these guys.

[Lunatic LK47]

OhoniX wrote...

The OP really needs to learn the difference between a difference of opinion and false advertising. False advertising is when there is a factual inaccuracy in the ad copy, like perhaps promising a racing game element when there isn't any, or something along those lines. Nothing in the quotes you copied promised a fact that they did not deliver on, it merely laid out their opinions about certain aspects of the game, which you did not agree with having played it.

If gamers could sue over a game being overhyped by it's creator, sue Peter Molyneux first, then come back for these guys.

Except there is factual inaccuracy involved...

[Raseri]

[quote]Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Special thanks to Johnny G starting this topic: 

Dear Dr. Ray Muzyka,

Per your request, I am providing
constructive criticism for BioWare regarding Mass Effect 3.  In my mind,
the biggest issue is the breaking of trust between your company and its
consumers (which is manifested in many ways, the ending merely being
the most poignant).

Below are quotes that were made by BioWare
before the game was released.  As such, they represent a spoken/written
promise by you to your customers regarding Mass Effect 3.  Artistic
choices are wonderful and should be allowed, except when you are
producing commissioned art where you promised it would contain certain
things.

If a painter has agreed to paint a wilderness scene for
me, and I have paid them based on that promise, are you saying they have
the right to give me a painting of a cityscape instead, and that I
simply have to accept it because their "artistic integrity" is at
stake?  I didn't think so.  So while your argument for artistic choices
is understandable, unfortunately the moment you began making promises to
your consumers you became bound to them.

So here are some of the
promises that BioWare made, and that many feel you need to correct in
order to fix this problem.  I was contemplating going through and making
certain sections bold, but then I realized that I would need to do that
for nearly every part of every quote.  Instead, I will just let them
stand and hope you guys do the right thing.

We want to believe in you again, BioWare.  Please do the right thing and don't let us down.

[quote]Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience
the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other,
where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and
outcome.”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m
always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one
of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There
are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could
you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be
forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any
more than that…”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll
get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot
threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since
you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will
definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made
and because of the decisions you didn't make”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For
people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans
want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some
closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass
Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore,
learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being
able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”[/quote]
[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer:
[Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson:
“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a
lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”[/quote]
[quote]Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass
Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for
Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.[/quote]
[quote]Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of
course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all
the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get
all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different
way of playing"[/quote]
[quote]Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The
whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions,
about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to
end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what
civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered
in Mass Effect 3.”[/quote]
[quote]Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There
is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach
the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to
break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game
ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few
things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays
it.”[/quote][/quote]

Outstanding job cobbling these damning quotes together.  Now if the biggest guys at Bioware would actually read it they might see how much they blew it on the endings.  Let's face it, Mass Effect 3 was oustanding 97% of the time (not counting the fiasco of multiplayer network problems)...right up until the player went into the light....

[thunderhawk862002]

At bare minimum they need to address the quotes that came out after the game went gold. The perfect example is the one about the Rachni decision playing a huge role just in the final battle.

[Eylos]

gold topic

[MrnDpty161]

Well not to mention the press-released trailers prior to game day. I mean.... I didn't even have that many soldiers and tanks at my side for any charge and/or showdown. I didn't even deploy in country areas... it was all London with a very diminished force. --- and that one shot of him leaping in the air at an oncoming monster? Did we even see such a thing in the game? No.

And quite frankly, you saw Ashley by his side in every scene... hell Ashley wasn't even there --- no one was there! Not even when I got blasted by the reaper!

[Ravenmyste]

oh geee re-posting this thing again...

delusional of promised things when you think they promised you things that would be in the game wasnt what you expected to be ..

sorry but thats the truth on this as i stated in another thread exactly like this that you was under the illusion they promised you, thinking when they didn't at all with how they told a story and your choices only went as to help the story along... if this is what you meant then yes it did fulfill that "promise", they didn't promise that you would get happy ending that would reflect all you choices.. this is the delusional of that said promise.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 26 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[Lunatic LK47]

Ravenmyste wrote...

oh geee re-posting this thing again...

delusional of promised things when you think they promised you things that would be in the game wasnt what you expected to be ..

sorry but thats the truth on this as i stated in another thread exactly like this that you was under the illusion they promised you, thinking when they didn't at all with how they told a story and your choices only went as to help the story along... if this is what you meant then yes it did fulfill that "promise", they didn't promise that you would get happy ending that would reflect all you choices.. this is the delusional of that said promise.

Uh, read the quotes carefully, jackass.

[BentOrgy]

Ravenmyste wrote...

oh geee re-posting this thing again...

delusional of promised things when you think they promised you things that would be in the game wasnt what you expected to be ..

sorry but thats the truth on this as i stated in another thread exactly like this that you was under the illusion they promised you, thinking when they didn't at all with how they told a story and your choices only went as to help the story along... if this is what you meant then yes it did fulfill that "promise", they didn't promise that you would get happy ending that would reflect all you choices.. this is the delusional of that said promise.

Cool story bosh'tet. Now learn to type, and offer something constructive next time; biased hand-waving is not only unfair, but also inflamatory.

[thunderhawk862002]

Ravenmyste wrote...

oh geee re-posting this thing again...

delusional of promised things when you think they promised you things that would be in the game wasnt what you expected to be ..

sorry but thats the truth on this as i stated in another thread exactly like this that you was under the illusion they promised you, thinking when they didn't at all with how they told a story and your choices only went as to help the story along... if this is what you meant then yes it did fulfill that "promise", they didn't promise that you would get happy ending that would reflect all you choices.. this is the delusional of that said promise.

Yawn.... Not this again.

The presence of the Rachni has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.

That statement was made after the game had gone gold.  What is the decision worth again?  Something like two hundred points or something?  Yeah that's not a huge consequence in any sense of the word.[/color]

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 26 mars 2012 - 02:17 .

[Lunatic LK47]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

oh geee re-posting this thing again...

delusional of promised things when you think they promised you things that would be in the game wasnt what you expected to be ..

sorry but thats the truth on this as i stated in another thread exactly like this that you was under the illusion they promised you, thinking when they didn't at all with how they told a story and your choices only went as to help the story along... if this is what you meant then yes it did fulfill that "promise", they didn't promise that you would get happy ending that would reflect all you choices.. this is the delusional of that said promise.

Yawn.... Not this again.

The presence of the Rachni has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.

That statement was made after the game had gone gold.  What is the decision worth again?  Something like two hundred points or something?  Yeah that's not a huge consequence in any sense of the word.[/color]

Great....

[LordDeimos4]

There is no hiding from these quotes. This is what makes people even more aggravated, the lies they spouted before release.