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[Obrusnine]

tamperous wrote...

Show me an artist that doesn't please his fans.... I show you next guy tending bar.

...and I'll show you a failure.

[BlacJAC74]

tamperous wrote...

Show me an artist that doesn't please his fans.... I show you next guy tending bar.

Kings of Leon

Next...

[de3ex]

Olueq wrote...

IGNorance is bliss

Best way to sum up the issue!

[AlienSpaceBats]

 It won't be setting a precedent; very likely another franchise will not command the numbers of disgruntled fans that the Mass Effect 3 issue has. ie: say the next Crysis game had a stupid ending, legions of people won't be demanding a "fix".
On artistic integrity: many painters and artists modify and alter their works throughout their lives, film directors and other game studios also do this.
The fact of the matter is that they just did the ending wrong. How can anyone claim to be happy with the ending? It makes no sense, and not because it's "deep" or symbolic, but because it's badly written, illogical, contrived and an insult to everything that the game was about.

[culletron1]

Obrusnine wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

I think he's right... I don't like the ending one bit but if the writers are geniunely happy with it they shouldn't change it.

Art isn't a democracy.

It is when we're paying as much for it as we are.

How much did you pay for your game? 1000 bucks?

Nope, but me and my family are pretty poor, so basically, kind of.

It's not even about the real amount that we're spending, it's about the amount they are making. We shouldn't have to give anyone anything for art that isn't up to anyone's standards, including their own, but especially ours.

Cash speaks louder than words.

Bioware didn't force you to buy it, did they? It wasn't paid for by your taxes... Maybe you should read user reviews before you buy games from now on?

I think the ending was awful but what you are saying is ridiculous. Bioware should be allowed to sell piles of sh!t if they want. NO ONE is forcing us to buy it 

[Obrusnine]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...
The fact of the matter is that they just did the ending wrong. How can anyone claim to be happy with the ending? It makes no sense, and not because it's "deep" or symbolic, but because it's badly written, illogical, contrived and an insult to everything that the game was about.

That might just be the smartest thing I've read today. Thanks!

[culletron1]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

 It won't be setting a precedent; very likely another franchise will not command the numbers of disgruntled fans that the Mass Effect 3 issue has. ie: say the next Crysis game had a stupid ending, legions of people won't be demanding a "fix".
On artistic integrity: many painters and artists modify and alter their works throughout their lives, film directors and other game studios also do this.
The fact of the matter is that they just did the ending wrong. How can anyone claim to be happy with the ending? It makes no sense, and not because it's "deep" or symbolic, but because it's badly written, illogical, contrived and an insult to everything that the game was about.

I agree with you that its bad... But if its honestly the best ending they could think of and its how they wanted it to end then they should keep it the way it is.

[MOB_RULES_]

All I see is them cashing in on the adsense hits.

[garf]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Where is anonymous when you need them.

Fighting real issues like Canada's attempts to remove every democratic principal from it's citizens.

I'm happy fighting this one myself alongside the rest of  you. Let anonymous be true to fighting more important issues like SOPA/PIPA

Or as I mentioned Canada's law that was going to allow the government agents to examine your entire online life without oversight.

[Obrusnine]

culletron1 wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

I think he's right... I don't like the ending one bit but if the writers are geniunely happy with it they shouldn't change it.

Art isn't a democracy.

It is when we're paying as much for it as we are.

How much did you pay for your game? 1000 bucks?

Nope, but me and my family are pretty poor, so basically, kind of.

It's not even about the real amount that we're spending, it's about the amount they are making. We shouldn't have to give anyone anything for art that isn't up to anyone's standards, including their own, but especially ours.

Cash speaks louder than words.

Bioware didn't force you to buy it, did they? It wasn't paid for by your taxes... Maybe you should read user reviews before you buy games from now on?

I think the ending was awful but what you are saying is ridiculous. Bioware should be allowed to sell piles of sh!t if they want. NO ONE is forcing us to buy it 

I didn't say anyone forced me to buy anything. I also don't feel bad about buying it. In fact, I loved the game and feel that my purchase was well made. Because you know what, Mass Effect 3 is a great game, an amazing one even. No one said it was not their right to sell things, so please don't put words into my mouth.

[Tazzmission]

well i guess fans can quit saying ign is being paid since ign still stands by there statement

i frankly dont care because everyone will agree or disagree


who am i to judge on who is right or who is wrong?

[Atakuma]

garf wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Where is anonymous when you need them.

Fighting real issues like Canada's attempts to remove every democratic principal from it's citizens.

I'm happy fighting this one myself alongside the rest of  you. Let anonymous be true to fighting more important issues like SOPA/PIPA

Or as I mentioned Canada's law that was going to allow the government agents to examine your entire online life without oversight.

They were more likely busy harrassing people who don't deserve it like the jackasses they are.

[Unfallen_Satan]

BioWare hasn't changed anything yet. Something is in the works, but no specific details have been released. I am hoping they will correct some of the lameness in the ending (including recycled graphics in pretended multiple endings and the inexplicable fate of Normandy) without changing the essence of it. There is no need for criticism before the act has actually been performed.

[Obrusnine]

Tazzmission wrote...
who am i to judge on who is right or who is wrong?

Everyone has the right to an opinion and everyone has the right to express it no matter what anyone else thinks.

[Mikey_205]

It's more about setting up a bunch of expectations that the game didn't fulfill. Casey Hudson promised a lot of stuff regarding the ending.

We were told "we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

You can make your stuff according to whatever system you want. But you shouldn't promise something and deliver something entirely different. For example if you advertised your album as jazz and it was classical then yes I'd be pretty annoyed.

The answer is simple don't missell a product as something it is not. Time and time again developers hype up games building expectations with hollow promises which go on to disappoint fans.

[AlienSpaceBats]

culletron1 wrote...

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

 It won't be setting a precedent; very likely another franchise will not command the numbers of disgruntled fans that the Mass Effect 3 issue has. ie: say the next Crysis game had a stupid ending, legions of people won't be demanding a "fix".
On artistic integrity: many painters and artists modify and alter their works throughout their lives, film directors and other game studios also do this.
The fact of the matter is that they just did the ending wrong. How can anyone claim to be happy with the ending? It makes no sense, and not because it's "deep" or symbolic, but because it's badly written, illogical, contrived and an insult to everything that the game was about.

I agree with you that its bad... But if its honestly the best ending they could think of and its how they wanted it to end then they should keep it the way it is.

You know what, I could handle the ending being what it was, all i needed was a little closure, a visual culmination of what my character had achieved. Like a few other people have said, an epilogue that outlined what happened after would have gone a long way, kind of like what they did for games like Baldur's Gate 2 and Dragon Age: Origins.

[lumen11]

Icemix wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

I think he's right... I don't like the ending one bit but if the writers are geniunely happy with it they shouldn't change it.

Art isn't a democracy.

Seriously stop with the "its art" bullcrap.
Its invalid.

It isn't

What's more. We aren't developers. By 'forcing' Bioware to change the ending we are trying to fill in their role. While developers should pay attention to what fans want, it shouldn't be the basis of their development choices and it should always be their prerogative to change their vision based on what the fans want.

The average fan wants more of the same (not trying offend - it applies to me as well), but I honestly believe games become better when developers try to inovate and work with a personal vision.

[BubbleDncr]

I just see this is Colin being pretentious, honestly. He likes to think he's better than us because he doesn't see all the flaws in the ending, and can thus recognize it for the wonderful piece of art it is.

[Obrusnine]

wastelander75 wrote...

It's not a precedent if it's already happened. I hate to put it up again and again, but Bethesda's Broken Steel DLC for Fallout 3 changed the ending. It's already happened before. And in books, Sir Authur Conan Doyle revived Sherlock Holmes after fan outcry made him reverse course.

As far as music goes. If you're a death metal band and and tell them "this is going to be the hardest and most metal soundtrack for years," and you release a CD full of Gospel tracks (complete with choir), you've not only disconnected with your fan base, you've completely contradicted what you told those same fans was coming in said CD.

Seriously, it's like Colin "Moron" Moriarty has never heard of this amazing word called "retcon"

[Andromidius]

Saying 'you weren't forced to buy it' is a null and void argument. No-one is forced to buy a can of soup that actually has maggots inside, but if its advertised as being soup with no mention of maggots then the customer is not at fault. The company who made it is.

Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game. Its near flawless. If I could compare it to art, it would be the Mona Lisa. Only this time Mr da Vinci gave her a dirty santez. 99% amazing, 1% so bad it ruined the rest of the piece.

The consumer is the king of the corporate world. That's what people forget. If people don't buy it, companies go out of business. So they need to listen to what's wanted, and to deliver on promises made. Otherwise they lose their customers, and end up bankrupt.

[Tazzmission]

Obrusnine wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
who am i to judge on who is right or who is wrong?

Everyone has the right to an opinion and everyone has the right to express it no matter what anyone else thinks.

well im sorry but latley if i did judge it wouldnt go pretty regarding certaain fans


i just chose to avoid a situation


i know where i stand and i stand by that i like what i payed for and if i get insulted for it fine w/e i just dont care anymore about this because i am moving on and going to enjoy what i have 

[Rockworm503]

The PLC wrote...

If I released an album with my music, and my so called 'fans' started to yell at me to change the last few tracks, I would just tell them to **** off. Really. You din't like my album? Fine, sell it. Give it away. Burn it, I don't care. But don't you dare tell me how to do my stuff.

Good job with the hyperbole.
If you promised your CD was going to be something and didn't deliver and half your fans were fans because of that promise than that would make sense.  Welcome to the consequence buddy don't make promises you can't keep.

[garf]

I wouldn't worry about IGN. They've demonstrated during this kerfuffle that they are hopelessly compromised. That's all there is to it.... I'll never take them seriously, neither, I suspect will a number of other fans.

They are discredited and Colin Moriarity can rave towards empty bleachers all he likes.