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[asyntheticdesign]

I love when IGN makes responses and you immediately hear
"WOW ITS A BAD IDEA"
and the
"Well I liked the endings and I totally understood them"
"The minority caused this change"
"I lost respect for bioware because of this" You don't respect a company that is trying to do right by their fans?

Really? I mean REALLY? Im so tired of these one sided post/videos that end up about the game. There is no contrast or middle ground between the argument. Its just one side that always goes "OH WELL you're wrong and im right etc LOL YOU MAD?!"

IGN you have no credit what so ever when you do video clips like this that really don't show all the angles.

Oh and it cracked me up when they said they couldn't find anyone to comment on the positive aspect of changing the endings. Really, whatd you do ask the question inside your head then quickly determine that NO BODY else had a different opinion?

Im fairly certain that all of us here on this forum could easily find people from all sides of the argument and then have an actual discussion about the ending that shows the reasons from all the views.

[AxisEvolve]

The PLC wrote...

If I released an album with my music, and my so called 'fans' started to yell at me to change the last few tracks, I would just tell them to **** off. Really. You din't like my album? Fine, sell it. Give it away. Burn it, I don't care. But don't you dare tell me how to do my stuff.

Comparisons to irrelevantant forms of other media make for weak, tired points.....Until you release a role-playing album where your fans choose which notes to play. 

Mass Effect 3 is a role playing game based on decisions. "We are co-creators with the fans!"-Bioware

Some people need to accept this. 

[Andromidius]

Enjoying what you have is fine. It isn't what was advertised, but if you still got what you wanted that's great.

Fact is, most of the ones speaking up do not like it. At all. To avoid that fact would be silly. Even if we were only half of the people speaking up, it would still be bad for Bioware to ignore us.

We aren't even demanding much - we're asking them to give us new content that repairs their franchise, so we can give them more money. We're on their side! We're almost like that friend who won't sit by and watch someone give in to alcohol addiction - we're fighting you to help you.

[Rickin10]

Ah, this is the same Colin Moriarty that having played through the game once with no import proclaimed the game to be 'chock-full of replay value.' I would treat his opinions with great care.

[FemmeShep]

Colin is a hack. Juvenile and idiotic.

Please ignore the child.

[Justin2k]

vocal minority is just wrong. I just spoke to my brother who loves ME, played all 3 games has all DLC but has never used a forum, been on youtube or made a tweet in his life. I said "did you complete it?" he said "i wasn't keen on the ending". Upon further chat, he actually hated the ending and was hoping they'd fix it with DLC.

He's not a vocal minority. He's a quiet majority, who thought the game was great but the ending was bad.

[martiancake]

Wait... this is the site that has one of their own writers playing a character within the game and they're talking about artistic integrity?

[Kitty Fae]

Well, whatever EA/Bioware are going to do, their deadline to appease is 15 may 2012..

[MICHELLE7]

I thought the pyramid analogy was interesting...where players choices spread out over the trilogy and in the endings came back to one point...I don't think he realized it but he was essentially saying the story moved from rpg to a more linear story in the ending or at least that's what I got from it.
Also a little weird that he thinks that new endings would invalidate the old ones(the ones he got and liked in his playthrough). I just got the reverse ending in Silent Hill Downpour...didn't invalidate my ending just because someone else got one of the other 5 endings (they don't all lead to the same conclusion). Interview doesn't mean much anyway since Bethesda already set the precedent.

[element eater]

IGN have no credibility frankly im surpised any one even goes to that site any more

Modifié par element eater, 22 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[Kavadas]

 lolIGN.

EA pays them off so who cares what any writers have to say?  The fact that Chobot is in ME3 explains the entire relationship between EA and IGN.  IGN has no credibility whatsoever and I don't think I've given two ****s about a word they've published in over ten years.

[AxisEvolve]

Ah yes, vocal minority. Too bad the "majority" is anything but vocal.

The majority of players who bought the game are casuals who will trade it in or never play it again. The "minority" which are the hardcore Mass Effect 3 fans (the one's who religiously buy every DLC) are the vocal ones.

If you never develop an opinion then you have no say in the matter. Simply put, the majority are too apathetic to care, therefore they have no voice. The minority does and will remain vocal. 

The minority = the vocal majority
The majority = the vocal minority.

Wrap your minds around that.

[Salis777]

The PLC wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

If I released an album with my music, and my so called 'fans' started to yell at me to change the last few tracks, I would just tell them to **** off. Really. You din't like my album? Fine, sell it. Give it away. Burn it, I don't care. But don't you dare tell me how to do my stuff.

Good job with the hyperbole.
If you promised your CD was going to be something and didn't deliver and half your fans were fans because of that promise than that would make sense.  Welcome to the consequence buddy don't make promises you can't keep.

That's not what I said. To continue with the album talk, every single tracks is amazing EXCEPT for the last few tracks. Everything is what everyone was hoping for, except for that. And if that makes people feel that they have the right to tell me what to do with my work, then yes, they can go to hell. 

It's the same with ME3. The game was amazing. Everything was spectacular except for the endings. 

Why keep going back to the same point.  Bioware don't have to do anything, but it's up to them.  Not you or I.  If the reaction is big enough they'll make changes.  They have a system in place to do so - DLC.

Arguing about whether they should or not is kind of pointless.  If you like it great, if you don't, say so.  It's the company that gets to decide, and information helps them.  Same with musicians btw

[Sylvianus]

Wait. Where and when did Bioware say anuthing about changing ending ? Assumptions from fans ?

[Rickin10]

Paper Cake wrote...

Wait... this is the site that has one of their own writers playing a character within the game and they're talking about artistic integrity?

Don't forget the wall-to-wall ME3 ads plastered all over the site.  But, no, Ign are completely impartial.

[Queen Deadite]

The ending does suck. Its also pretty lowdown that they are pushing dlc's for a character they basically killed...again. Personally I think the ending was the equivalent of a music fade out they didn't know how to end it so we got this crap.

I don't have a lot of faith that the endings will be improved. As far as the comments about telling your fans off, that's just bad business. I majored in music business management you don't ****** off your fan base if you want to be successful. People are fickle and unforgiving.

[eoinnx03]

It's like he just forms an opinion but doesn't allow his argument to evolve or gather new data, I have no problem with him liking the endings at all, but the way he just doesn't even want to understand the arguments presented by people who had issues with the ending, annoys me.
I don't use IGN anymore anyway so. Best of luck to the guy.

[LegendaryBlade]

"We couldn't find a single person who agreed with changing the ending"

Stopped watching right there. I generally don't enjoy watching videos full of blatant lies.

[RiouHotaru]

He makes a great point. Fan feedback is fine, but fans should NOT be able to dictate what they think devs should do. Trying to claim you know better than the folks who made the game is something we like to call "Armchair Developers".

Which is what this board feels like right about now.

[TechToasterTwo]

I will say one thing and one thing only. The 'art' of Mass Effect was the ability for the player to make their own story. All the games, the missions, the conversations, the romances we've experienced were not the intellectual copyright of BioWare or their writers. They created the universe, that's about it. They then paid actors to play out these multiple different paths that people could take. Each Mass Effect story is the individual's who is playing it. THAT is why the endings need to be re-done, because it's no longer OUR story. I want to see MY Shepard, the one I have been with for years, the one that Mac Walters has EVER touched, reject the Reapers in total.

And most anyone who makes analagies to music or art (I'm kind of looking at you, The PLC) is clearly not understanding the subject. It was my story, I guided it, I directed it, BioWare simply gave me the tools. Then at the end, they took all control away from me and gave me the choice of Red, Blue or Green ice cream.

[Nevaeh15]

The PLC wrote...

If I released an album with my music, and my so called 'fans' started to yell at me to change the last few tracks, I would just tell them to **** off. Really. You din't like my album? Fine, sell it. Give it away. Burn it, I don't care. But don't you dare tell me how to do my stuff.

This isn't really a valid argument... It's not fair to try to bring other forms of media into the argument... they will never be in this situation... Tons of bad movies come out... I'd say at least 90% of them are terrible... But you can't ask them to reshoot because by the time the movie is released, all the actors are off doing something else... It's just not possible... 
ME3 is still going... remember that DLC message... the fires are still burning... we're only asking instead of adding something new... can we work on what doesn't work right now...  

Any game that doesn't offer constant updates and constant DLC will never be in this situation...    I wouldn't read too much into this... We're just lucky fine tuning is possible in the best franchise ever made.

[dpgimenez]

Bioware exists to SELL games. Not to create art. If you want to sell something, people must want to buy it. For that to happens, the stuff that you are selling must please the consumers. Why is that so hard to understand?

Anybody that sells something, if they want to survive in the market jungle, must listen to their customers. If the games were all bad, they could just leave like that because nobody would have played anyway.

We want it changed, because we care.

[Raknot3]

 i agree with colin you cant change the ending just because all the fans cry foul.  that said i would like some explination on how you can destroy a mass relay but not the entire system like in arrival.  some closer is what i want not an entirely new ending.  which one becomes cannon then the one bioware made or the one the fans made.  i will lose respect for bioware if they cave.