Synthesis (What the hell is this?)/Control (Well Shepard isn't theorically dead but his body is ****ed and he can't reunite with his crew).
If Bioware told you they had to REMOVE one of the endings in order to replace with new one, which one would you remove?
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earthonline
, mars 21 2012 11:54
#301
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:15
#302
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:15
delete the spacechild would be my wish (negating all endings)...
if I have to choose from the 3 existing endings I'd choose "Synthesis"... that's the least possible ending (hurray, space magic)
if I have to choose from the 3 existing endings I'd choose "Synthesis"... that's the least possible ending (hurray, space magic)
#303
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:21
Not even a question: Synthesis. It's the most nonsensical (Joker has circuits now -- wtf!?), but it actually doesn't solve the problem it sets out to address.
Let's suppose that you believe (despite all the in game evidence) the Starchild -- that synthetic and organic life must inevitably fight. The problem is not that synthetic life is silicon. It's that synthetic life is created, rather than evolved. As such, they quarrel because synthetics have a defined purpose, while they view organics as just something that came about as a result of chance.
All synthesis does is give organics silicon parts; it doesn't change anything about their mindset (or the mindset of synthetics). So you then have to ask yourself: If a silicon based life form evolved (which is possible), synthetics would have the same problem with life form -- it's about the evolution.
So why would we change just because we have wires?
You can get a version of this argument from Javik if you talk to him about AIs during the Quarian/Geth conflict -- it makes more sense for him to make it, since he's basically suffering from the bigotry that comes from watching synthetics take apart a trillion people. He has literal survivor bias!
I'm not sure where the Starchild gets its POV from, but I think it's pretty clear it's not even internally consistent.
Let's suppose that you believe (despite all the in game evidence) the Starchild -- that synthetic and organic life must inevitably fight. The problem is not that synthetic life is silicon. It's that synthetic life is created, rather than evolved. As such, they quarrel because synthetics have a defined purpose, while they view organics as just something that came about as a result of chance.
All synthesis does is give organics silicon parts; it doesn't change anything about their mindset (or the mindset of synthetics). So you then have to ask yourself: If a silicon based life form evolved (which is possible), synthetics would have the same problem with life form -- it's about the evolution.
So why would we change just because we have wires?
You can get a version of this argument from Javik if you talk to him about AIs during the Quarian/Geth conflict -- it makes more sense for him to make it, since he's basically suffering from the bigotry that comes from watching synthetics take apart a trillion people. He has literal survivor bias!
I'm not sure where the Starchild gets its POV from, but I think it's pretty clear it's not even internally consistent.
#304
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:23
Synthesis
I can't stand the notion that without biological differences there would be no more conflicts, I had hoped such theories had been proofen false after 1945. I mean obviously the crusades weren't motivated by religious believes or political reasons but because of the different DNA's of Europeans and Arabs *sarcasm*
I can't stand the notion that without biological differences there would be no more conflicts, I had hoped such theories had been proofen false after 1945. I mean obviously the crusades weren't motivated by religious believes or political reasons but because of the different DNA's of Europeans and Arabs *sarcasm*
#305
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:24
Pick a card.
Seriously, couldn't give a toss which.
Seriously, couldn't give a toss which.
#306
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:28
Control - doesn't seem to make much sense. How can a dead Shepard control the Reapers? Mental upload? Instant reprogramming? Seances? Why wouldn't Shepard's contact with the Reaper consciousness simply result in Indoctrination and absorption, like everyone else's?
Destroy - doesn't seem to make much sense. Why would destroying the Reapers destroy the geth and EDI? Does it damage all technology? Where is the line between synthetic 'life' and synthetic objects? If it was supposed to destroy all organic life in the universe, I would expect it to affect everything from micro-organisms to plants to animals to people. What happens to the quarians who are permitting geth to interface with their suits? Or even just those suits themselves?
Synthesis - makes absolutely no sense, and is (to me) the most morally repugnant as well (which says something, since the other options involve genocide and slavery). Spits in the face of all of Shepard's potential philosophies, too - Paragon Shep would hate forcing a new DNA on unwilling people and robbing the galaxy of its diversity, Renegade Shep would hate destroying humanity and its unique potential. It also stretches suspension of disbelief to breaking.
I'm going with synthesis, but they all just... just suck so much.
Destroy - doesn't seem to make much sense. Why would destroying the Reapers destroy the geth and EDI? Does it damage all technology? Where is the line between synthetic 'life' and synthetic objects? If it was supposed to destroy all organic life in the universe, I would expect it to affect everything from micro-organisms to plants to animals to people. What happens to the quarians who are permitting geth to interface with their suits? Or even just those suits themselves?
Synthesis - makes absolutely no sense, and is (to me) the most morally repugnant as well (which says something, since the other options involve genocide and slavery). Spits in the face of all of Shepard's potential philosophies, too - Paragon Shep would hate forcing a new DNA on unwilling people and robbing the galaxy of its diversity, Renegade Shep would hate destroying humanity and its unique potential. It also stretches suspension of disbelief to breaking.
I'm going with synthesis, but they all just... just suck so much.
Modifié par Lanay, 22 mars 2012 - 08:31 .
#307
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:33
Control, as it runs contrary to everything Shepard has stood and fought for since the first game. Synthesis is right there though, as we have no way of knowing that combining all people with what is essentially Reaper parts is not just going to make them all mindlessly indoctrinated.
#308
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:36
Synthesis all the way. Plants becoming hybrids too? Who thought this was a good idea?
#309
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:37
I don't know.....Red, Green or Blue?
Decisions in Mass Effect have so much difficult.....
Decisions in Mass Effect have so much difficult.....
#310
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:36
Green is symbolic of the predominant color in the room when the idea of synthesis was conceived...if you smell me.
#311
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:36
Synthesis - GTFO, I want a real ending
#312
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:37
Sugaki wrote...
Synthesis all the way. Plants becoming hybrids too? Who thought this was a good idea?
No more photosynthesis???
*goes to cry in the corner*
#313
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:37
Sugaki wrote...
Synthesis all the way. Plants becoming hybrids too? Who thought this was a good idea?
I didn't even think of plants!
But hey, Christmas trees will grow WITH LEDs! That's kinda cool I guess.
#314
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:38
Synthesis makes the least sense so that would be it.
#315
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:38
Green.
#316
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:38
Why would they have to do that? Star Child can't create an extra freaking button in his Ending Machine?
Not even with Space Magic?
Not even with Space Magic?
#317
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:40
Although none of the endings really make that much sense, I think the synthesis ending is the worst of them. You can suddenly just decide to rewrite every life forms' DNA so that it's partly organic and partly synthetic (or is it 100% synthetic?)? I don't think so.
#318
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:41
All of the endings are basically the same. I'd like it if they got rid of all of them, but if they kept the current ending as one of many possible endings, it would not bother me. Just get rid of the Starchild, though.
#319
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:46
I can't imagine a set of circumstances where something like that would happen. If they're going to add to the ending, they'll add to the ending. If they're going to start from scratch with the ending, they'll start from scratch with the ending. I just can't imagine them saying "Well, we have to have three endings, and only two of the current ones can make the cut."
It doesn't matter anyway, they're all pretty much the same in terms of what's shown in game.
It doesn't matter anyway, they're all pretty much the same in terms of what's shown in game.
#320
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:49
Synthesis since it practically invalidates all the effort and fighting plus I fail to see how a wave of green energy is supposed to make people into organic/synthetic hybrids, it also homogenizes the entire galaxy. Diversity is necessary for the galaxy.
#321
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:49
Synthesis.
The cultural genocide of the galaxy against their wishes or will is vile and disgusting.
The cultural genocide of the galaxy against their wishes or will is vile and disgusting.
#322
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:50
all of them?
Seriously though, if I had to pick one, I would probably pick synthesis since that seems to be the most douche/unexplainable move out of the three. I mean, if you pick that, you are basically negating me1....
Seriously though, if I had to pick one, I would probably pick synthesis since that seems to be the most douche/unexplainable move out of the three. I mean, if you pick that, you are basically negating me1....
#323
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:50
The one with the kid.
#324
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:58
Synthesis. I like it aesthetically (literally, I like the way the beam scene looks). But it's nonsensical. Destroy has the stupid kill the geth and EDI thing attached but without that I don't have a problem with it. And control is nice because it is essentially Shepard's renegade pride getting the better of her.
#325
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:58
If I were Bioware I would just scrap the entire ending after the glowing elevator. It's poorly written and explains nothing.
Unless they go with the Indoc theory and all of the stuff after Harbingers beam was a dream - in which case I don't care - keep it the way it is so that future players can go "WTF!" and then go "THANK GOD!"
Unless they go with the Indoc theory and all of the stuff after Harbingers beam was a dream - in which case I don't care - keep it the way it is so that future players can go "WTF!" and then go "THANK GOD!"





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