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[Taleroth]

w-hat?

[JaegerBane]

Maybe he wants food....

[Titanmike357]

Sten is one of the NPCs I like the most, duty, honor and purpose, with some slight twists in the story, out of all the other people you can have help you Sten feels like he has the best story/background to him.

Not the best fighter, but a good story.



unless you tell him to leave or maybe you don't get him, I don't think you can kill him.

[TileToad]

Just leave him be and it will take care of itself.

[Viglin]

Titanmike357 wrote...

Sten is one of the NPCs I like the most, duty, honor and purpose, with some slight twists in the story, out of all the other people you can have help you Sten feels like he has the best story/background to him.
Not the best fighter, but a good story.

unless you tell him to leave or maybe you don't get him, I don't think you can kill him.

Yes...honor....[Minor Spoiler alert]......slays 8 people who come to his aid, including children, cause his sword is missing....

In an update, they need to add the option to kill him in his cage...

[Taleroth]

In his defense, he does feel bad about it.

[Viglin]

Taleroth wrote...

In his defense, he does feel bad about it.

Its one of the weaker points in this otherwise awesome game;

*Johan tries to kill 1 person, but nearly everyone...including Sten "l was in a cage and killed 8 people" disagree with releasing him.
Yet everyone thinks Sten should be set free...WTF?!

[Taleroth]

Viglin wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

In his defense, he does feel bad about it.

Its one of the weaker points in this otherwise awesome game;

*Johan tries to kill 1 person, but nearly everyone...including Sten "l was in a cage and killed 8 people" disagree with releasing him.
Yet everyone thinks Sten should be set free...WTF?!

Only people I know against it are Sten and Alistair.  Wynne probably would be, as well.
Sten's reasons for being against Jowan are obvious.

[Underfury]

I think you cant kill Sten, just leave him on the cage... The characters i know you can kill is Leliane and Wynne by corrupting the urn of the sacred ashes and Zevran by telling him to go or be betrayed by him

[Aether99]

Viglin wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

In his defense, he does feel bad about it.

Its one of the weaker points in this otherwise awesome game;

*Johan tries to kill 1 person, but nearly everyone...including Sten "l was in a cage and killed 8 people" disagree with releasing him.
Yet everyone thinks Sten should be set free...WTF?!

actually I think its quite reasonable considering his entire upbringing and his way of life in his homeland.  When duty and honor are paramount over life and death, and you lose your tool that both represents those duties as well as assures your place in the world that you know and love...well...id probably black out and come to with a bunch of dead people around me as well.

Its not like it sounds like they taught him to cope with things well over there...

Literally that sword is more important to him than his life,and by the sound of it more important to his people then his life too

[Viglin]

Aether99 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

In his defense, he does feel bad about it.

Its one of the weaker points in this otherwise awesome game;

*Johan tries to kill 1 person, but nearly everyone...including Sten "l was in a cage and killed 8 people" disagree with releasing him.
Yet everyone thinks Sten should be set free...WTF?!

actually I think its quite reasonable considering his entire upbringing and his way of life in his homeland.  When duty and honor are paramount over life and death, and you lose your tool that both represents those duties as well as assures your place in the world that you know and love...well...id probably black out and come to with a bunch of dead people around me as well.

Its not like it sounds like they taught him to cope with things well over there...

Literally that sword is more important to him than his life,and by the sound of it more important to his people then his life too

He should have then killed himself, like a Samurai.

[Damar Stiehl]

Sten lacks the concept of value of life (including his own), and that makes him evil by conventional standards, his honor notwithstanding. If you can't handle that, he's not a very good companion for you.



He appears repentant, but only because he's ashamed of his outburst - his quinari discipline failed and he feels bad about it.

[Titanmike357]

Viglin wrote...

Titanmike357 wrote...

Sten is one of the NPCs I like the most, duty, honor and purpose, with some slight twists in the story, out of all the other people you can have help you Sten feels like he has the best story/background to him.
Not the best fighter, but a good story.

unless you tell him to leave or maybe you don't get him, I don't think you can kill him.

Yes...honor....[Minor Spoiler alert]......slays 8 people who come to his aid, including children, cause his sword is missing....

In an update, they need to add the option to kill him in his cage...

He was raised from birth to be a warrior * start minor quest spoilers*


Here it comes * spoilers*


His sword was made from a rare mteal and to him and his people his sword is worth more than he will ever be,  but killing his self on purpose serves no purpose.


So, Stens sword is a special one, and by all right he should have died, but he didn't.

He fly's into a rage because he was saved by some humans that for whatever reason didn't even bother to loot the armor or weapons to sell, when he should have died there with the other warriors of his race.

To him his sword is like his own son or father or wife, and because they saved him, and disposed of his armor or removed it before moving him, and left his sword there he just just raged.


He feels bad about it, but think about it if you will.

he is alone, his men are dead, his sword and armor are gone, he is scared and frightend.
His whole reason to live ( his sword ) and fight is gone, he lost a battle and his men lost ther lives, he cannot return home with out the sword, but no one here understands him.

End spoilers *

[thisisme8]

Davir wrote...

how do i kill sten

Very carefully.

[adam_nox]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Sten lacks the concept of value of life (including his own), and that makes him evil by conventional standards, his honor notwithstanding. If you can't handle that, he's not a very good companion for you.

He appears repentant, but only because he's ashamed of his outburst - his quinari discipline failed and he feels bad about it.

He doesn't seem repetent to me.  That requires emotion, he shows none.  He seeks out atonement as a logical step, not as a meaningful one.

Valuing someone's life is not the only reason not to kill them.  There's lack of reason to kill them, respect for people in general, and just common decency that would prevent it.

Either he's evil by any standard, retarded by any standard, or poorly written.  You pick.

[SheffSteel]

I killed Sten by leaving him where he was.
I left him because I was (OOC) too pissed off at the designer to let him live and (in character) couldn't justfy letting him go based on a very insincere sounding statement vaguely acknowleding the possibility of regret.
So tell me, Sten, why did you do it? Oh, that's right, you can't tell me why you did it, because I can't ask you why you did it. I guess your only option is F.O.A.D. then.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 30 novembre 2009 - 07:36 .

[adam_nox]

Titanmike357 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Titanmike357 wrote...

Sten is one of the NPCs I like the most, duty, honor and purpose, with some slight twists in the story, out of all the other people you can have help you Sten feels like he has the best story/background to him.
Not the best fighter, but a good story.

unless you tell him to leave or maybe you don't get him, I don't think you can kill him.

Yes...honor....[Minor Spoiler alert]......slays 8 people who come to his aid, including children, cause his sword is missing....

In an update, they need to add the option to kill him in his cage...

He was raised from birth to be a warrior * start minor quest spoilers*


Here it comes * spoilers*


His sword was made from a rare mteal and to him and his people his sword is worth more than he will ever be,  but killing his self on purpose serves no purpose.


So, Stens sword is a special one, and by all right he should have died, but he didn't.

He fly's into a rage because he was saved by some humans that for whatever reason didn't even bother to loot the armor or weapons to sell, when he should have died there with the other warriors of his race.

To him his sword is like his own son or father or wife, and because they saved him, and disposed of his armor or removed it before moving him, and left his sword there he just just raged.


He feels bad about it, but think about it if you will.

he is alone, his men are dead, his sword and armor are gone, he is scared and frightend.
His whole reason to live ( his sword ) and fight is gone, he lost a battle and his men lost ther lives, he cannot return home with out the sword, but no one here understands him.

End spoilers *

People will often make up any excuse for murder.  Sten scared and frightened?  Roflsauce.  His reason to live may have been gone, but that does not give reason or even an excuse for a massacre of people who were clearly not threatening his life.

The game tries to make us feel compassion for a murderer with completely inconsistent principles and no logic whatsoever.  Apparently it works on some people.

[Titanmike357]

[quote]adam_nox wrote...

[quote]Damar Stiehl wrote...



Either he's evil by any standard, retarded by any standard, or poorly written.  You pick.

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Really now? so he can't be anything other than evil, stupid or badly written?

I happen to think that he is not evil, not stupid and well written.

Simply because he only wished to fight the enemy head on does not make him evil, not wainting to help does not make him evil, he just does not see the big picture, he wants to fight no trickey or side quests.

Modifié par Titanmike357, 30 novembre 2009 - 07:41 .

[Elanareon]

Sten can attack you while exploring if you have low Influence on him.

[Roxlimn]

Sten is a soldier, raised and bred. They do not think like civilians. They do not react like civilians. Soldiers have randomly killed passers-by on much less provocation.



Sten's sword is like his visa and his wife in one. Without it, it's like he lost all his property, his job, his visa, his self-worth, and his family all in one fell swoop. People have gone murderously insane over less powerful stressors.



Can any one here honestly say that it's unreasonable for a highly religious Marine to go berserk when he finds out that he's just randomly been denied citizenship, discharged dishonorably from his post, gotten his entire unit killed, AND gotten excommunicated from his church? In the same day?

[Titanmike357]

adam_nox wrote...

Titanmike357 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Titanmike357 wrote...

Sten is one of the NPCs I like the most, duty, honor and purpose, with some slight twists in the story, out of all the other people you can have help you Sten feels like he has the best story/background to him.
Not the best fighter, but a good story.

unless you tell him to leave or maybe you don't get him, I don't think you can kill him.

Yes...honor....[Minor Spoiler alert]......slays 8 people who come to his aid, including children, cause his sword is missing....

In an update, they need to add the option to kill him in his cage...

He was raised from birth to be a warrior * start minor quest spoilers*


Here it comes * spoilers*


His sword was made from a rare mteal and to him and his people his sword is worth more than he will ever be,  but killing his self on purpose serves no purpose.


So, Stens sword is a special one, and by all right he should have died, but he didn't.

He fly's into a rage because he was saved by some humans that for whatever reason didn't even bother to loot the armor or weapons to sell, when he should have died there with the other warriors of his race.

To him his sword is like his own son or father or wife, and because they saved him, and disposed of his armor or removed it before moving him, and left his sword there he just just raged.


He feels bad about it, but think about it if you will.

he is alone, his men are dead, his sword and armor are gone, he is scared and frightend.
His whole reason to live ( his sword ) and fight is gone, he lost a battle and his men lost ther lives, he cannot return home with out the sword, but no one here understands him.

End spoilers *

People will often make up any excuse for murder.  Sten scared and frightened?  Roflsauce.  His reason to live may have been gone, but that does not give reason or even an excuse for a massacre of people who were clearly not threatening his life.

The game tries to make us feel compassion for a murderer with completely inconsistent principles and no logic whatsoever.  Apparently it works on some people.

So, its impossable for sten to feel scared? or frightened? simply showing no emotions does not mean there is a lack of emotions.
its stated that he can feel rage, so if he feels rage then he is also able to feel other emotions?

What about him is inconsistent?

If you think that its just sten thats a murderer then you better go back and read some more, ill give you a hint.

Bard- admits to it
Assassin-Duh
Shapeshifter-admits to helping
Drunk- admits to it
Stone dude-admits to it
PC ( depending )

[thisisme8]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Sten lacks the concept of value of life (including his own), and that makes him evil by conventional standards, his honor notwithstanding. If you can't handle that, he's not a very good companion for you.

He appears repentant, but only because he's ashamed of his outburst - his quinari discipline failed and he feels bad about it.

The brilliance of Sten is that he's written to make you feel uncomfortable.  You said yourself that you believe him to be evil by conventional standards, but that means nothing to him.  His whole culture is alien to us, so we aren't necessarily going to understand him.  But does that make him evil?  I don't know.
Oh, and about the "no concept of life."  That is not unusual for many countries that are riddled with poverty and high death rates.  That by no means makes them all evil.  Desperate, maybe, but not evil.

[Nightfish103]

Dunno, I like Sten. He doesn't try to make up excuses for what he did. He never denies his failures, and as he's not a human but a Qunari I can see how losing his sword can push him over the edge. It's importance is made clear several times.



(On a sidenote, on my first playthrough I heard some guys in the tavern talk about the "canary in the cage" and I was like... wtf? a canary?)