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Sea Waves
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#51
Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:12
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Sa weet!
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:15
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Those clips are looking good. You've got those set up in a tileset LoW?
I could see it being possible even in a tileset based version of it to switch stormy to calm and vice versa with clever us of JumpToLocation. Set up two identical ships in areas of the map that can't see each other, and port everything in the area one ship to the other based on "weather changes".
Likely the same could be done to simulate meeting another boat. I'll be looking forward to trying out the finished products from you, ShadowM, and OTR once they're all finished.
I could see it being possible even in a tileset based version of it to switch stormy to calm and vice versa with clever us of JumpToLocation. Set up two identical ships in areas of the map that can't see each other, and port everything in the area one ship to the other based on "weather changes".
Likely the same could be done to simulate meeting another boat. I'll be looking forward to trying out the finished products from you, ShadowM, and OTR once they're all finished.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:32
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Well we are using placables, which would be easy to script destroy nice clear day placable / create stormy placable at same waypoint. The transition might look weird, but just guessing it look better then being jump through areas.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:43
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Wow, that's incredible! Your water texture is perfect and the sounds and everything...just stunning! That's what that effect is all about, IMO. I can't tell if you have animated verts on those waves but the texture is so nice I'm not even sure you need it.
Along with the other questions people are asking, what's the size of your world sphere?
Along with the other questions people are asking, what's the size of your world sphere?
#56
Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:43
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yes, its placeables right now. I created a extra version of a tile in the microset that is bank (no tile renedered, so I dont have to worry about the plane of water clipping) .
I finally have the seamless motion down, so now its more of 'prettying everything up for release)
I have so far the following.
Sea Travel Slow (day and night versions) -( Day version shown in clip)
Sea Travel Fast (day and night versions)
Stormy Travel Fast (day and night versions) (night version shown in clip)
Seasick Stormy Fast (only night version)
I finally have the seamless motion down, so now its more of 'prettying everything up for release)
I have so far the following.
Sea Travel Slow (day and night versions) -( Day version shown in clip)
Sea Travel Fast (day and night versions)
Stormy Travel Fast (day and night versions) (night version shown in clip)
Seasick Stormy Fast (only night version)
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:44
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<dropping...>
Additionally, you could separate the placeables a bit... Have calm weather skybox, then for stormy weather load in stormy sky*ball* around ship, *then* (arfter a bit of ominous skies, load in the stormy waves (off cycle = matches calm), activate it (OnToOff ramps up wave action to stormy), On = Stormy wave cycle, OnToOff calms the seas afterward, then switch back to calm wave placeable and a bit later clear the skyball to reveal the skybox.
Similar technique (if you have the observer nailed to the center of the area) could be used to cycle the sky from dawn to noon to dusk to night (dying cycle) to midnight (dead loop).
[edit: I think going with the placeables and adding roll, pitch and yaw is crucial to imparting the motion of sailing. The tileset would be the foundation, but the action would be done with placeables]
All that said... WoW! Cool beans!
I *said* you guys inspired me, didn't I? ;-)
<...a yarn or two>
Additionally, you could separate the placeables a bit... Have calm weather skybox, then for stormy weather load in stormy sky*ball* around ship, *then* (arfter a bit of ominous skies, load in the stormy waves (off cycle = matches calm), activate it (OnToOff ramps up wave action to stormy), On = Stormy wave cycle, OnToOff calms the seas afterward, then switch back to calm wave placeable and a bit later clear the skyball to reveal the skybox.
Similar technique (if you have the observer nailed to the center of the area) could be used to cycle the sky from dawn to noon to dusk to night (dying cycle) to midnight (dead loop).
[edit: I think going with the placeables and adding roll, pitch and yaw is crucial to imparting the motion of sailing. The tileset would be the foundation, but the action would be done with placeables]
All that said... WoW! Cool beans!
I *said* you guys inspired me, didn't I? ;-)
<...a yarn or two>
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:50
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all credits goto Babayaga for the actual texture (I used from his waterfall effect with his as usual kind permission)
the verts are not moving at all, that texture just looks so nice that I just stretched some verts to create the quick moving bumpy parts and packed other verts closer together for the ripple effects..
around 1800 cm is the xyz sphere size.
the water plane is 2000x2000
I am currently creating 2 layers of moving texture (as seen in babayagas falls) and I also edited the skyshere texture to allow easy (cut and paste) of other images to give users chance to create their own skies.
Ideas I am currently playing with:
1) Moving the ocean and sphere seperately so ones pitches a tad more than the other..see if it adds greater immersion
2) Lava Ocean? Blood Oceans? do we need anything aside from your standard water?
the verts are not moving at all, that texture just looks so nice that I just stretched some verts to create the quick moving bumpy parts and packed other verts closer together for the ripple effects..
around 1800 cm is the xyz sphere size.
the water plane is 2000x2000
I am currently creating 2 layers of moving texture (as seen in babayagas falls) and I also edited the skyshere texture to allow easy (cut and paste) of other images to give users chance to create their own skies.
Ideas I am currently playing with:
1) Moving the ocean and sphere seperately so ones pitches a tad more than the other..see if it adds greater immersion
2) Lava Ocean? Blood Oceans? do we need anything aside from your standard water?
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 04:55
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I will upload the actual max files shortly for those of you that might want to work with what I have so far.
also, the Caravel (ship) is by BatintheHat, not me. .
also, the Caravel (ship) is by BatintheHat, not me. .
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 05:03
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Thanks Lordofworms for the upload when it comes, save me a lot of time. So will all can use Babayaga texture? He does great textures work(well all his work great). Yeah I know the Caravels is Bats, I was just wonder what everyone thought of the emitters effect at the base of his boat. If that the kind of effect we want to add.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 06:09
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the boat I have already has emitters such as those, they just dont seem to show up well in the pixelated vid. but they are there.
as for BabaYaga.. he has the same good nature as OTR and myself, if its released the community can edit/rework as they wish.
as for BabaYaga.. he has the same good nature as OTR and myself, if its released the community can edit/rework as they wish.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 06:17
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here is the link to the 3ds max file and textures. (i didnt include my modified microset tile or ship textures but if you need em, I can reupload as a full package.)
social.bioware.com/project/8131/#files
social.bioware.com/project/8131/#files
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 06:41
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This just keep getting better and better. I see I'm going to have to revamp the sea travel for my PW with the results of this. It's just so much more immersive than a ship sitting on flat water with just some emitter splashes and wake.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 07:47
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Great work there Mr. Worms. I'd love to see what everyone's been doing as an air bubble for a skyship. So instead of water rolling on by, we see different sized clouds rolling below the airship or along its side.
FP!
FP!
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 07:56
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good idea FP. I will see what i can come up with.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 12:26
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The creative energy contained in this thread right now is a bit overwhelming to be honest. 
Has anyone here read about the journey of
Kon-Tiki? My campaign is not going to
take place on a raft, but the book was an amazing read and described many interesting
phenomena of prolonged life at sea.
Lordofworms - that looks very good, although a friend of mine who spent a good
part of his life at sea says it looks like the boat's going at 20 knots,
which would be a good speed for a racing yacht and an outstanding speed
for a larger vessel. So I would recommend you take that as your 'faster'
option. The rough seas look great too, although there does appear to be a giant
wave at the front that never quite crashes into the boat.
Don’t know if any of these would be useful as
reference to any degree, but will post them anyway:
Some references for rough seas:
Sailing ships at sea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkA8oLwZ3I&feature=related
The idea to have the options for different speed/time
of day/weather is fantastic, although, as Rolo Kipp suggested, it would be good
to include some intermediary stages between ‘blue sky’ and ‘big storm’.
This would also need some good skyboxes to
go with the better quality sea, particularly the starry sky that the sailors
would use for navigation.
In case of skyships (and normal ships too) –
would you see the clouds move both below and above them? Would it be possible
to simulate flying at a great height or into a storm cloud? I’m mulling over
including a skyship component into my story: two ships will set out, a seaship
and a skyship, meant to travel together, but one might mysteriously disappear at
an early stage of the journey and the seaship will continue by itself, hoping
to solve the mystery of this disappearance as well as discover that lies beyond
the ocean.
The ship model in lord of worm’s clip [Carrack in CEP, I believe] is currently
my favourite to use in the campaign, but it’s a bit too small for the total of
50-ish people (NPCs + PCs) populating it – e.g. it is not realistic for all of
the crew to come out on deck without standing like sardines in a can. In the
setting used both the seaship and the skyship are a novel design of ships,
custom made for the long journey, fast, manoeuvrable and large enough for a
decent crew and many weeks of supplies. The ship tile would basically need to
be 1.5 to 2 times larger than the
current Carrack, come with enough visible levels and doors and in several
modes: with sails down, sails up and docked (with sails partially up or torn,
and all sail types moving slightly in the wind would be a bonus). The carrack
has most of these and is a really good design, but still a bit too small for
what we should ideally have. I would look into ways to just simply make a tile
with enlarged version of existing appearance (if the resolution doesn’t look to
weird as a result).
Some further ideas:
-another moving placable [or even a
creature] that looks like a wave that ‘attacks’ anyone on deck and either deals
minor damage or sweeps them overboard.
- ability for players and creatures to be ‘overboard’
and possibly even ‘swim’ on the sea surface [and in case of sea monsters attack
those on the ship deck].
- a variation of the night sea that
includes phosphorescent waves - as the ship moves through the water, it
disturbs the water and makes the phosphorus catch light.
-(if someone does decide to do a
sea-focused tileset) – tiles for ships in the process of sinking, ships on
reefs, beach waves small-to-large-to-giant.
- dolphins, sharks, giant squid tentacles, flying fish and
realistic-looking sea birds.
- someone also mentioned cannon and
simulating battles between ships, e.g ships being boarded by pirates etc.
Has anyone here read about the journey of
Kon-Tiki? My campaign is not going to
take place on a raft, but the book was an amazing read and described many interesting
phenomena of prolonged life at sea.
Lordofworms - that looks very good, although a friend of mine who spent a good
part of his life at sea says it looks like the boat's going at 20 knots,
which would be a good speed for a racing yacht and an outstanding speed
for a larger vessel. So I would recommend you take that as your 'faster'
option. The rough seas look great too, although there does appear to be a giant
wave at the front that never quite crashes into the boat.
Don’t know if any of these would be useful as
reference to any degree, but will post them anyway:
Some references for rough seas:
Sailing ships at sea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkA8oLwZ3I&feature=related
The idea to have the options for different speed/time
of day/weather is fantastic, although, as Rolo Kipp suggested, it would be good
to include some intermediary stages between ‘blue sky’ and ‘big storm’.
This would also need some good skyboxes to
go with the better quality sea, particularly the starry sky that the sailors
would use for navigation.
In case of skyships (and normal ships too) –
would you see the clouds move both below and above them? Would it be possible
to simulate flying at a great height or into a storm cloud? I’m mulling over
including a skyship component into my story: two ships will set out, a seaship
and a skyship, meant to travel together, but one might mysteriously disappear at
an early stage of the journey and the seaship will continue by itself, hoping
to solve the mystery of this disappearance as well as discover that lies beyond
the ocean.
The ship model in lord of worm’s clip [Carrack in CEP, I believe] is currently
my favourite to use in the campaign, but it’s a bit too small for the total of
50-ish people (NPCs + PCs) populating it – e.g. it is not realistic for all of
the crew to come out on deck without standing like sardines in a can. In the
setting used both the seaship and the skyship are a novel design of ships,
custom made for the long journey, fast, manoeuvrable and large enough for a
decent crew and many weeks of supplies. The ship tile would basically need to
be 1.5 to 2 times larger than the
current Carrack, come with enough visible levels and doors and in several
modes: with sails down, sails up and docked (with sails partially up or torn,
and all sail types moving slightly in the wind would be a bonus). The carrack
has most of these and is a really good design, but still a bit too small for
what we should ideally have. I would look into ways to just simply make a tile
with enlarged version of existing appearance (if the resolution doesn’t look to
weird as a result).
Some further ideas:
-another moving placable [or even a
creature] that looks like a wave that ‘attacks’ anyone on deck and either deals
minor damage or sweeps them overboard.
- ability for players and creatures to be ‘overboard’
and possibly even ‘swim’ on the sea surface [and in case of sea monsters attack
those on the ship deck].
- a variation of the night sea that
includes phosphorescent waves - as the ship moves through the water, it
disturbs the water and makes the phosphorus catch light.
-(if someone does decide to do a
sea-focused tileset) – tiles for ships in the process of sinking, ships on
reefs, beach waves small-to-large-to-giant.
- dolphins, sharks, giant squid tentacles, flying fish and
realistic-looking sea birds.
- someone also mentioned cannon and
simulating battles between ships, e.g ships being boarded by pirates etc.
Modifié par KlatchainCoffee, 01 avril 2012 - 12:27 .
#67
Posté 01 avril 2012 - 06:09
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@lordofworms, I can't download your files that everybody is raving about! Maybe only your friends can; anyways I have sent you a friend request!
#68
Posté 01 avril 2012 - 08:53
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Vivienne
In case you missed it, LoW also linked to vids of his work in the very last post of the 2nd page of this thread.
Great stuff.
In case you missed it, LoW also linked to vids of his work in the very last post of the 2nd page of this thread.
Great stuff.
Modifié par wyldhunt1, 01 avril 2012 - 08:53 .
#69
Posté 01 avril 2012 - 02:00
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This stuff is absolutely AMAZING, everyone!! I love to see how this is developing!
#70
Posté 01 avril 2012 - 04:38
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Wow! Incredible work one and all!
Second the wish for having walkable/swimmable seas for creatures and PCs that could be used in conjunction with these effects.
Would also like to see some small walkable boats: a longboat, rafts of various sizes, small rowboat, canoes of various sizes, outriggers of various sizes.
Would be nice to have some walkable rocks and reefs.
Keep up the fantastic work!
Regards,
Karvon
Second the wish for having walkable/swimmable seas for creatures and PCs that could be used in conjunction with these effects.
Would also like to see some small walkable boats: a longboat, rafts of various sizes, small rowboat, canoes of various sizes, outriggers of various sizes.
Would be nice to have some walkable rocks and reefs.
Keep up the fantastic work!
Regards,
Karvon
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 10:33
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Here is a very early look at the Airship work-in-progress. youtu.be/ET7-HrscWvE
please note: I made a very small area so yes you can see the edges where the tileset ends...but final version will have edges cleaned up. Just a early shot to let people offer input on how to make it better/suggestions.
I am also aware the speed is pretty fast, but that is easily fixed...so I am not going to worry about it at the moment until I get everything else looking better.
please note: I made a very small area so yes you can see the edges where the tileset ends...but final version will have edges cleaned up. Just a early shot to let people offer input on how to make it better/suggestions.
I am also aware the speed is pretty fast, but that is easily fixed...so I am not going to worry about it at the moment until I get everything else looking better.
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#73
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 08:58
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LordofWorms: airship stuff looks good, but what's even better is that it's given me some ideas for story and for ways of in-game solutions to some very real logistical issues with running an online campaign. 
Modifié par KlatchainCoffee, 02 avril 2012 - 09:21 .
#74
Posté 02 avril 2012 - 12:17
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Yeah, the air travel version looks very cool too!
Karvon
Karvon
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 01:32
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I checked out all of LordofWorm's videos!! Wow!! And OTR's stuff is Wow, too!! LOL!
