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[iamthedave3]

They are.

And while I understand that it's hard to get a pro-ending post to stick on the boards right now, I've read most of them and few seem to be very well thought out. None that I've seen address even half of the primary concerns of the anti-enders.

All the pro-ender posts I've seen lean on artistic integrity (which is contentious), philosophical interest in the ending themes, or the usually inflammatory 'I don't need my hand held' stance and almost always includes direct insults to the other side because they want Bioware to provide answers.

I've never seen someone adequately address the various plot holes, and I've never seen anyone tackle the pre-release PR half-truths that have been floating around for some time. This is a problem since those are a big reason for why this movement exploded so much.

Everyone is angry not just because the ending is unsatisfactory, but because they feel directly lied to by Bioware and have the quotes to prove it.

[Alpha revan]

People tend to not jump into discussions, or react passionately/angrily towards something until it effects something they like negatively. The people who like the ending would be angry if it was something they didn't like and the people who don't like it would be fine if it were something they did like... In other words, the people who are happy with the ending, afraid of it being changed are no different than us anti-ending folks.. How do you solve this? Well... The same way Bioware always has... Giving the player choice in his/her story. That's why i support a wide range of endings based around the same core plot/ending idea.. People who want happy ending can get that and the people who want bittersweet can get that... But I think everyone can agree that some plot holes need to be fixed. and closure with the decisions you made need to be shown.

Not everyone wants to keep the ending, and i partially agree that it doesn't fit with the rest of the series... But if they fix the current ending to allow a more wide range of endings, I'll be fine, and others will get to keep their ending.

Modifié par Alpha revan, 22 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[t003]

Generalizations.
Generalizations everywhere!

[GnusmasTHX]

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

[HenchxNarf]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

Jessica got a death threat on Twitter. And there is no confirmation

[Fruxie]

I agree with the OP to an extent. The team worked hard on this game and I think recognition is due. They didn't make the ending because they thought it would ****** people off. They actually thought it was good, and it must be heartbreaking to realize so many did not enjoy the game they put so much work into.

No, I do not like the ending, but I can appreciate their work, and the other 90% of the game.

[Banelash]

we are not the geth, we have no collective minds. I can't control what irrational people will do. I can only control what I do

[GnusmasTHX]

HenchxNarf wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

Jessica got a death threat on Twitter. And there is no confirmation

Well that's just diappointing all around.

[tekkaman fear]

HenchxNarf wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

Jessica got a death threat on Twitter. And there is no confirmation

Damn internet thugs. Get on my dang nerves. Seriously people let's keep things in perspective here.

[Ailith Tycane]

I was under the impression that most of the backlash towards Jessica was in fact from Reddit, and not BSN.

Modifié par Ailith430, 22 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[HenchxNarf]

Ailith430 wrote...

I was under the impression that most of the backlash towards Jessica was in fact from Reddit, and not BSN.

They were BSN too.

[InfiniteDemise]

HenchxNarf wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

Jessica got a death threat on Twitter. And there is no confirmation

Sounds like convenient bull**** to me. Link?

[Ailith Tycane]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

I was under the impression that most of the backlash towards Jessica was in fact from Reddit, and not BSN.

They were BSN too.

How can you possibly know that? If it came from Reddit, then Redditors should get the blame. Not saying BSN is perfect or anything, but having been to Reddit I'm not surprised the "movement" against her took up speed there.

[Bored-WIzard]

Try not to judge us by our worst members.

[Hydralisk]

The second you call something "gay" to express that you don't like it, your opinion becomes irrelevant.

[Ticondurus]

Hydralisk wrote...

The second you call something "gay" to express that you don't like it, your opinion becomes irrelevant.

Agreed.

[DadeLeviathan]

It is true that many fans have lashed out against devs, and that's uncalled for and unfair. Mac Walter is an incredible writer, Casey Hudson is an incredible Game Director. Their work proves this. Just because they make one mistake doesn't make them horrible people or horrible game designers. Many members of the "movement," are voicing their concerns respectfully. Unfortunately just as many are not doing so, and those people give everyone else a bad name.

[Ailith Tycane]

Hydralisk wrote...

The second you call something "gay" to express that you don't like it, your opinion becomes irrelevant.

^ This

[CronoDragoon]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wait what...

What happened with Jessica and where is the confirmation that there's a new ending DLC?

Jessica got a death threat on Twitter. And there is no confirmation

Sounds like convenient bull**** to me. Link?

From what I have heard, some guy who was bad at English said he'd give her a "shepard end" or something, not knowing that some people would interpret this as a death threat. he later posted on BSN explaining it wasn't what he meant, but now it's spread around that she got a death threat. If this isn't the case and someone actually threatened her I'd hate to be proven wrong but...

[Ailith Tycane]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

It is true that many fans have lashed out against devs, and that's uncalled for and unfair. Mac Walter is an incredible writer, Casey Hudson is an incredible Game Director. Their work proves this. Just because they make one mistake doesn't make them horrible people or horrible game designers. Many members of the "movement," are voicing their concerns respectfully. Unfortunately just as many are not doing so, and those people give everyone else a bad name.

The vocal minority always get's all of the attention, while the more reasonable people who are giving constructive critisism always get overshadowed. Maybe I don't come to the forums enough to see how much crap people have been seeing, but most of the complaints I've seen are totally valid and well worded. No personal attacks, etc.

[rockman0]

This reminds me of a story I heard not too long ago. There were these synthetic creatures that had somehow become sentient. Anyways, the entire galaxy hated these creatures because they would kill people and launched a massive attack on the economic center of the galaxy with the help of an entire large cybernetic creature.

Anyways, after a while, people learned that these creatures actually made up a small minority of that entire synthetic race as a whole. The majority of those creatures actually favored peace and had no wish to harm anyone. Eventually, the people and the synthetic creatures learned to work together, and they overcame a force that threatened the entire galaxy.

...or so they thought.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ailith430 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

I was under the impression that most of the backlash towards Jessica was in fact from Reddit, and not BSN.

They were BSN too.

How can you possibly know that? If it came from Reddit, then Redditors should get the blame. Not saying BSN is perfect or anything, but having been to Reddit I'm not surprised the "movement" against her took up speed there.

Way to generalize Redditors.  Most of those who interacted with Jessica were quite civil during her AMA.  They asked the proper questions and she enthusiastically answered.  The one I recall that contained negative connotations that she answered she did so with class and made the guy look like the jerk he was.

There are tons of decent Redditors.  Sadly, as it's an extremely large community, there is also a lot of idiots.    We have our idiots too, but we all cry out that we shouldn't be judged by them.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[AttaBoyTroy]

I feel the same sometimes but remember its just sheer volume. The proportion of jackasses is likely the same (low) as it was before, it's just that there are more people here now and you notice them more than the good posters. The majority are quite civil.

Although honestly the people who enjoy seeing other people unhappy (and there have been a few in this thread) are lower than pond scum, as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par AttaBoyTroy, 22 mars 2012 - 03:51 .