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[cchudoba002]

Yeah some people are dicks. There's dicks on both sides of the argument. Generalising and lumping everyone into this category isn't productive either though.

[The Smitchens]

You know what? Screw it. This community has been fantastic. You know why? Nearly $78,000 has been raised to give to kids. Flat out, spontaneous as it gets, money raised to give away.

How can anyone say the community has been terrible after that?

[ZodiEmish]

aksoileau wrote...

Don't let some bad apples dictate your entire view of the community.

That's a stereotype which is a fallacy. Don't be that.

This right here. Not everyone who wants the endings to change is anger, crazy mad people who want to drag bioware out and beat them. No we not at all. we just want them to do a better job at the ending of the game. We feel that the ending was not up at the quality of the 99% of the game.

But most of us are not horrible. We are mostly civil. there is just a small fraction of jerks, and honestly if you see someone who is being that way please report them.

[ninjaNumber1]

Haasth wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What happened with Jessica?

Someone threatened her with a "shepard ending" (death) and a bunch of people forced her off the forums and she won't speak on twitter about bioware/mass effect anymore.

All because she was up at 3am in her own time trying to help people.

Sorry but not defensable.

And yet zero grounds to dismiss an entire community.
As I said, you'd be dismissing a lot of communities if that is your sole basis. 

It's pathetic, but I think there's been way more good coming out of this than bad. As evident by the 75000+ money for charity. 

Actually that money being raised is kind of sad. It was used as a ploy to gather people around a really stupid cause i.e. to change the ending of a game. There are causes out there which are actually real than Commander Shephard or some Love Interest in a game. So this was just a way that the community used a charity to hide its own not-so-good motives.

Just because you do something good on the side, doesn't make the cause good.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

Speak for yourself. I haven't once made an inflammatory or derogatory comment towards anyone. I recognize that it isn't fair to go ahead and say "We're a great community, etc, etc" but nor is is justified to paint the community with a broad stroke and say "you guys are all spoiled gamers and trolls".

[Haasth]

Justin2k wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.

I get really tired of people acting as though grown women are hapless maidens who need protecting.

No, I'd feel exactly the same if someone threatened to give Casey Hudson or Chris Priestley a "shepard ending".

And the fact most of you "fans" defend this behaviour and justify death threats against anybody because you didn't like the ending to a video game is just disgusting tbh.

 

[Faunwea]

I actually haven't seen a lot of bashing, but most of the threads/posters who do bash have been closed/deleted/banned quite quickly.

[Lyons6]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

While you have a right to your opinion and I respect that, I will point out that you have tarred us all with the same brush must like EA and some game reviewers have done. Many of us have campaigned civilly throughout. Please be more specific if you need to write an email like this.

[Silent Rage]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

So they lied about 0.1% of the game. What does it make us to forget the rest of the 99.9% and bash them just for that one bit?

Yup and that 0.1% managed to ruin the entire game and replay value. Amazing isnt it? I enjoy watching them be bashed because they flat out lied to get everyones money while knowing their ending was horse manure. I don't feel sorry for them and they don't get my sympathy.

Modifié par Silent Rage, 22 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

While it's possible that staffers have not been on the forums because of attacking criticism, I think it might be possible that they have been asked not to be here for a while because admittedly we've been pretty demanding and I don't think the higher ups want any staffers talking about details until they truly decide what to do. While some folks might not like that, I think it's actually a smart thing to do.

[ninjaNumber1]

ZodiEmish wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Don't let some bad apples dictate your entire view of the community.

That's a stereotype which is a fallacy. Don't be that.

This right here. Not everyone who wants the endings to change is anger, crazy mad people who want to drag bioware out and beat them. No we not at all. we just want them to do a better job at the ending of the game. We feel that the ending was not up at the quality of the 99% of the game.

But most of us are not horrible. We are mostly civil. there is just a small fraction of jerks, and honestly if you see someone who is being that way please report them.

I think apart from being civil, the right thing for us to do is to say "Hey, that ending was pretty bad guys, what happened?", as oppossed to going "The ending was pretty bad, we want a new ending"

[Ricvenart]

Again you are in no position to jugde anyone, let alone everyone.

Least of all for telling people they are wrong.

[Tequila Man]

Is this a hate thread against the people getting the ending changed from a person wanting a different ending who hates the people who want a different ending?

Honestly, this perplexes me.

"Ending was terrible."
"Well, we might be able to change it."
"You monsters!"

[Voidster]

The individual that stated something like a "shepard ending" was out of line, prob has epic rage issues too but dont try to label everyone in the community and shove us all into that category.

Just another troll thread.

[kalerab]

Justin2k wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.

I get really tired of people acting as though grown women are hapless maidens who need protecting.

No, I'd feel exactly the same if someone threatened to give Casey Hudson or Chris Priestley a "shepard ending".

And the fact most of you "fans" defend this behaviour and justify death threats against anybody because you didn't like the ending to a video game is just disgusting tbh.

This is bull****.

[MattFini]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

Feel better?

Good.

I have never once insulted/harassed anybody.  The majoirty of us on this bored haven't.  Moderators have admitted that as recently as today.

So now that we've all had our say, let's move on. 

[blackangel209]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

So they lied about 0.1% of the game. What does it make us to forget the rest of the 99.9% and bash them just for that one bit?

Because that .1% is what the other 99.9% was for. It's what every choice, every dialogue, every mission led up to. It's the culmination of 5 years of player-chosen story. And they spit on all of it. They completely ignored every bit of lore, every last choice you make, and give you a choice of 3 endings. 2 of those endings have the Reapers win, 1 screws every spacefaring species anyway.

Modifié par blackangel209, 22 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[ninjaNumber1]

Silent Rage wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

So they lied about 0.1% of the game. What does it make us to forget the rest of the 99.9% and bash them just for that one bit?

Yup and that 0.1% managed to ruin the entire game and replay value. Amazing isnt it? I ejnoy watching them be bashed because they flat out lied to get everyones money while knowing their ending was horse manure. I don't feel sorry for them and they don't get my sympathy.

Oh come on, do you go out and bash other developers who have done worse in their sequels? Do you ask people who ruined entire 99.9% of the game to go and redo it?

I understand the gut reaction in these situations is to say "Serves them right" . But honestly, if we really think about it, what we are doing is pretty unreasonable.

[Tyrzun]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

Yet another person defending lying and false advertising both of which are unethical.  You're opiniong has nothing to do with the facts.  Since you seem to be unaware of them, I'll liste em for you.

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

^  That cannot be defended because we got the exact opposite.  So, stop trolling. 

[Lanay]

TudorWolf wrote...

Don't know what you've been reading, but most people I've seen have been extremely civil, even in the face of the media taking every opportunity to degrade and vilify them.

Bioware dropped the ball, and now they're seeing the consequences. Would you rather they thought that everything was sunshine and rainbows with the game?

[avmf8]

So is wanting the game fixed or demanding my money back considered wrong? I did after all buy the game on the developers lies. No way to sugar coat it they lied. Also I never tweeted anyone at Bioware. There PR responses made me think "whats the point"

[Erield]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

Just like you shouldn't judge all (or even most) Muslims based on the actions of terorrists and Al-qaeda, or Christians based on Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church picketing funerals and worse, you also shouldn't lump in every single member of the community based on the actions of the few.  I agree with your statements of what's wrong; I disagree in that you told me that I was a part those comments or actions.  I wasn't--at all.  Unless you're upset at the mockery people are giving to specific Bioware employees, like the prevalance of "Lots of Speculation!" because that's justly deserved.  Calling a certain person a liar when he lied is also deserved.

I've been gone the past couple days because I finally re-started my play-through of the trilogy, so I guess I missed it:  what happened with Jessica Merizan?  Last I knew, people were expressing gratitude about the content and frequency of her tweets, and how clear it was that she actually played and enjoyed the game.

[Tequila Man]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Don't let some bad apples dictate your entire view of the community.

That's a stereotype which is a fallacy. Don't be that.

This right here. Not everyone who wants the endings to change is anger, crazy mad people who want to drag bioware out and beat them. No we not at all. we just want them to do a better job at the ending of the game. We feel that the ending was not up at the quality of the 99% of the game.

But most of us are not horrible. We are mostly civil. there is just a small fraction of jerks, and honestly if you see someone who is being that way please report them.

I think apart from being civil, the right thing for us to do is to say "Hey, that ending was pretty bad guys, what happened?", as oppossed to going "The ending was pretty bad, we want a new ending"

They dropped the ball and went artsy.  We knew that. Now, we want a new ending. What's wrong with either of those thoughts?

[Justin2k]

I only wrote "the community" in a response to a post where someone called the community fantastic. Lets face it, it is far from fantastic. People from this community have been rude, destructive and disrespectful of others opinions.

As for the money being raised, sorry but I find that whole thing rather.... lets just say I don't need a reward to donate to charity. I don't donate to charity so i can get a better ending to mass effect. Using charities for personal gain/publicity is wrong imho.

[Kilshrek]

There's merit to both sides, and simply because some are idiots you suddenly decide to paint everyone with the same brush. Not doing too differently from the gaming media, hey?

The community as a whole has been respectful, just because some people are idiots and don't know where to stop, or what not to say, and when not to say it, does not mean that the community as a whole needs to be condemned. We do not control individuals, never forget that.