418 réponses à ce sujet

[Terraforming2154]

Honestly, judging this community by a few rude or overly aggressive people is not fair. Browse through the comments in Chris's post about the endings, or the post for feedback (I believe they're stickied at the top). People are being pretty respectful and providing sincere constructive criticism rather than just insults.

[Andur4]

Last I checked there was a popular thread thanking Jessica for all her hard work. And I haven't really seen a whole lot of name calling and childish behavior, not to say there hasn't been anyway, but you always got extremists who let their hate get the better of them.

[MrFob]

I think this community is passionate, involved, vocal and enthusiastic.
For the most part it is civil, constructive, respectful and specific in the criticism.
There are a few elements that are insulting, destructive and inappropriately hostile. These can be found on every side the current discussion because those kinds of people can be found everywhere.
So, no, I don't think this community is terrible, I think it is at peak at the moment and that includes the people I agree with and those I don't agree with.

As for Jessica's posts, I found them insightful yesterday, today they just confuse the hell out of me. Not sure what is going on there so I'll just wait and see.

[ninjaNumber1]

blackangel209 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

So they lied about 0.1% of the game. What does it make us to forget the rest of the 99.9% and bash them just for that one bit?

Because that .1% is what the other 99.9% was for. It's what every choice, every dialogue, every mission led up to. It's the culmination of 5 years of player-chosen story. And they spit on all of it. They completely ignored every bit of lore, every last choice you make, and gives you a choice of 3 endings. 2 of those endings have the Reapers win, 1 screws every spacefaring species anyway.

It doesn't matter what that 1% is. The game mass effect is "Not the ending of Msss Effect". Would you be happy with BW if they gave you a disc which only had the ending? No matter how important it was, you would still complain about where is the rest right?

So in this case, they got the rest spot-on. They just failed at the very last bit. Not even the ending actually. Even the end-game was good untill the very last moments.

Now is it right to forget about all the good they did and just bash them for that one mistake? Oh and did I mention that this is a piece of entertainment?

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 22 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Tequila Man]

Justin2k wrote...

I only wrote "the community" in a response to a post where someone called the community fantastic. Lets face it, it is far from fantastic. People from this community have been rude, destructive and disrespectful of others opinions.

As for the money being raised, sorry but I find that whole thing rather.... lets just say I don't need a reward to donate to charity. I don't donate to charity so i can get a better ending to mass effect. Using charities for personal gain/publicity is wrong imho.

My next door neighbor is an amazing slimeball of a human; my community is not bad because of him. 

< 1% of a population being negative =/= negative population.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Mass Effect has a rather large fanbase it's pretty easy to assume there's going to be two extremes towards reactions of the ending. Some will hate some will love it's life. Attacking someone is pretty bad but I never heard of a serious death threat I don't know much about it though. I was focused more on the ending not the reactions people had to em.

[sargon1986]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

You insulted us, you insulted homosexual people in a post writted for the sole purpose of spreading hate.

YOU are the terrible part of the community, mister.

Have a nice day.

Modifié par sargon1986, 22 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[Wintermancer]

Justin2k wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.

I get really tired of people acting as though grown women are hapless maidens who need protecting.

No, I'd feel exactly the same if someone threatened to give Casey Hudson or Chris Priestley a "shepard ending".

And the fact most of you "fans" defend this behaviour and justify death threats against anybody because you didn't like the ending to a video game is just disgusting tbh.

This.

[Silent Rage]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

So they lied about 0.1% of the game. What does it make us to forget the rest of the 99.9% and bash them just for that one bit?

Yup and that 0.1% managed to ruin the entire game and replay value. Amazing isnt it? I ejnoy watching them be bashed because they flat out lied to get everyones money while knowing their ending was horse manure. I don't feel sorry for them and they don't get my sympathy.

Oh come on, do you go out and bash other developers who have done worse in their sequels? Do you ask people who ruined entire 99.9% of the game to go and redo it?

I understand the gut reaction in these situations is to say "Serves them right" . But honestly, if we really think about it, what we are doing is pretty unreasonable.

I'm not doing anything I said I enjoy watching them be bashed because they deserve it (not death threats) for lying. I'm not bashing or trolling myself.

[the red boon]

Thanks for throwing everyone in the same category. I try to avoid replying to threads that looked like trolling or that would upset me and have only bashed the endings for ME3. I disdain bioware for lying to me, especially because I bought the CE of ME3 but I don't harass them for it all I ask is for the endings that were promised to us. I guess I'm terrible OP

[Pfor]

Some people claim that they're engaging in respectful feedback and dialogue and then proceed to act like whiny entitled children by aping/mocking something said on the Mass Effect twitter account, reposting (for the 100th time) a bunch of quotes by developers, claiming that they were lied to, that Bioware is now a jackal pit of EA cronies, that their lives have been ruined etc. It's hilarious and pathetic.

[ninjaNumber1]

sargon1986 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

You insulted us, you insulted homosexual people in a post writted for the sole purpose of spreading hate.

YOU are the terrible part of the community, mister.

Have a nice day.

Maybe you should petition for the OP to redo the OP haha.

[effortname]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

And that's why YOU didn't retake Mass Effect or accomplish anything worthwhile in your posting career.

[sirstikay69]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What happened with Jessica?

Someone threatened her with a "shepard ending" (death) and a bunch of people forced her off the forums and she won't speak on twitter about bioware/mass effect anymore.

All because she was up at 3am in her own time trying to help people.

Sorry but not defensable.

And yet zero grounds to dismiss an entire community.
As I said, you'd be dismissing a lot of communities if that is your sole basis. 

It's pathetic, but I think there's been way more good coming out of this than bad. As evident by the 75000+ money for charity. 

Actually that money being raised is kind of sad. It was used as a ploy to gather people around a really stupid cause i.e. to change the ending of a game. There are causes out there which are actually real than Commander Shephard or some Love Interest in a game. So this was just a way that the community used a charity to hide its own not-so-good motives.

Just because you do something good on the side, doesn't make the cause good.

How is it sad? Other then it being done by a group you oppose. So what a group got together to do something they all believed in and decided to put constructive efforts into something other then the game. Its only a stupid cause because you decided it is, no cause is stupid it only depends on the point of view of those who oppose/watch it. 

So if the cause is a bad cause, then by extension the entire Childs Play charity is a bad cause because we donate to it? 

Gotta love the ignorance and arrogance of the "pro enders"

[nevar00]

You know what else I don't like? Being lied to: about 16 different endings, about the Rachni being important, about our choices really mattering in the end. I also don't like dues ex machinas, plot holes, and other ****** poor writing.

Insulting the staff is taking it too far, I agree, but these are all legitamate complaints, and quite frankly I'm tired of gamers being treated like **** just because we bend over and take it all the time. It's not just Bioware.

[TheLastAwakening]

Death threats? Wow people went that far? BSN be crazy, jk. I haven't come across any thing like that. I prefer civil criticism.

[MakeMineMako]

I_Jedi wrote...

we wanted the ending changed and we're getting what we wanted. 'nuff said.

Oh and yes, I don't like extreme destructive criticism.

That's not a given.

Stay vigilant.

[Vasparian]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

no one has insisted bioware give money to charity.

The staff doesn't post here except the ocasional shutting down of a thread.

If some one does a bad job you should tell them. I agree with the swearing part, but there has been people swearing on both sides. Don't be a hypocrite.

You are likening those of us upset with the endings to the trolls who attacked the writer. You sir are a moron. Yes I stand by that. Anyone who lumps EVERYONE who has a problem with ME3 as a game with the people who were attacking an innocent is a moron. 

You went from maybe being ok with venting, to nothing more than WORSE than what you are calling others. I suggest you look in the mirror before you sling any more mud.

[retailavenger85]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What happened with Jessica?

Someone threatened her with a "shepard ending" (death) and a bunch of people forced her off the forums and she won't speak on twitter about bioware/mass effect anymore.

All because she was up at 3am in her own time trying to help people.

Sorry but not defensable.

And yet zero grounds to dismiss an entire community.
As I said, you'd be dismissing a lot of communities if that is your sole basis. 

It's pathetic, but I think there's been way more good coming out of this than bad. As evident by the 75000+ money for charity. 

Actually that money being raised is kind of sad. It was used as a ploy to gather people around a really stupid cause i.e. to change the ending of a game. There are causes out there which are actually real than Commander Shephard or some Love Interest in a game. So this was just a way that the community used a charity to hide its own not-so-good motives.

Just because you do something good on the side, doesn't make the cause good.

Just FYI, that guy apologized in the forums, and Jessica came on and accepted it. He was trying to make a joke, and English was not his first language. So that whole thing has been settled. If you search back a few days in the forum for the thread "bad twit" or something. 
So that whole thing with the "death threat" to Jessica has been resolved. 

[ninjaNumber1]

Pfor wrote...

Some people claim that they're engaging in respectful feedback and dialogue and then proceed to act like whiny entitled children by aping/mocking something said on the Mass Effect twitter account, reposting (for the 100th time) a bunch of quotes by developers, claiming that they were lied to, that Bioware is now a jackal pit of EA cronies, that their lives have been ruined etc. It's hilarious and pathetic.

Yea, they remember the lie and forget the countless good things that were present in ME3.

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 22 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Tequila Man]

*head scratch*

Isn't this thread one humongous personal attack? 

Modifié par Tequila Man, 22 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Grasich]

There were a few people who went over the top, but most of the people I've seen just pointing out legitimate points in a civilized manner. If a game ruins an entire series we've had 5 years to come to love in 10 minutes, is it wrong for us to ask Bioware to do both itself, and the series justice? Should we just say "Hey, Bioware, great job on that ending even though I really didn't like it and it didn't fulfill what you promised us!"

Customers have every right to tell a company they don't like the product. What we're doing is NOT just saying "Game sucked, moving on and never giving Bioware money again." We're giving them a chance to make this right and win our loyalty back. We are Bioware's allies in this debacle, not their enemies. However, that does NOT mean we're just going to accept something poorly done based on "artistic integrity".

EDIT: typo.

Modifié par Grasich, 22 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[S1at3]

Listen to this explanation of the Indoctrination theory:

http://now.msn.com/e...-mph-video.aspx

[Helmchen2010]

OP, you can take your self-righteous and pious shtick and...

Nevermind, you obviously haven't even bothered engaging with what the majority of this community has been arguing for, so I won't bother engaging with your POV on this, either. Fair?

[Erield]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What happened with Jessica?

Someone threatened her with a "shepard ending" (death) and a bunch of people forced her off the forums and she won't speak on twitter about bioware/mass effect anymore.

All because she was up at 3am in her own time trying to help people.

Sorry but not defensable.

And yet zero grounds to dismiss an entire community.
As I said, you'd be dismissing a lot of communities if that is your sole basis. 

It's pathetic, but I think there's been way more good coming out of this than bad. As evident by the 75000+ money for charity. 

Actually that money being raised is kind of sad. It was used as a ploy to gather people around a really stupid cause i.e. to change the ending of a game. There are causes out there which are actually real than Commander Shephard or some Love Interest in a game. So this was just a way that the community used a charity to hide its own not-so-good motives.

Just because you do something good on the side, doesn't make the cause good.

A good deed is a good deed is a good deed.  You're saying that the fact that tens of thousands of dollars has been raised for a good charity is sad?  If that money was donated by convicted rapists and murderers, it'd still be a good thing.  When was the last time you, personally, did any kind of charity-work?  If you're like most people, you don't unless you have a reason to do so.  Does it matter that your reason is something as dumb as, "I hated the ending of that video game," ?  No.  And if you look at the amounts donated, there are a lot of donations of $100+.

You can dismiss the movement, and dismiss the people, but not the good that came out of it.