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[chris fenton]

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

[Tequila Man]

Erield, you are a good forumite. 

Modifié par Tequila Man, 22 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[Tequila Man]

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

[ninjaNumber1]

Grasich wrote...

There were a few people who went over the top, but most of the people I've seen just pointing out legitimate points in a civilized manner. If a game ruins an entire series we've had 5 years to come to love in 10 minutes, is it wrong for us to ask Bioware to do both itself, and the series justice? Should we just say "Hey, Bioware, great job on that ending even though I really didn't like it and it didn't fulfill what you would promise us!"

Customers have every right to tell a company they don't like the product. What we're doing is NOT just saying "Game sucked, moving on and never giving Bioware money again." We're giving them a chance to make this right and win our loyalty back. We are Bioware's allies in this debacle, not their enemies. However, that does NOT mean we're just going to accept something poorly done based on "artistic integrity".

No, it is not right to ask to redo the ending.

We are right to tell them "Hey, your game was great till that ending. That stuff was really bad"

But to then go and say "Do justice by your product, redo an ending" is too much. They gave you a great product. If the entire game had sucked from the begining, you probably wouldn't even care. The very fact that you care shows that ME3 was great. Just had a poor ending.

So you don't need to accept it. But you can't just demand an ending either. People seem to think its either accept or demand a change. There is also a middle-ground, just tell them what you think about the ending and move on.

[Vasparian]

Justin2k wrote...

I only wrote "the community" in a response to a post where someone called the community fantastic. Lets face it, it is far from fantastic. People from this community have been rude, destructive and disrespectful of others opinions.

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Yes all the things you have been.

[SimKoning]

Fallacy of broad generalization... or judging everyone because of the behavior of a few a-holes. 

Modifié par SimKoning, 22 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[P47 ace]

Extremism is the basis of generalzation

A few that go to the extrem always paint the rest in a bad light. You have to look past the knukleheads, even though most don't

Ps, I still love how they are calling us a "minority"

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Uh wut? I have been civil and... well nvm, I'm not part of the group you just listed so I won't say any more about that.

I do agree to an extent, with personal attacks. That's just ridiculous. People need to stop being e-bullies and e-thugs because they would NEVER say the same stuff in person. Be you. Don't think of the veil of internet anonymity as anything different from seeing someone face to face. Then tell me what you would say. Just my opinion.

On another note, just wanted to point out that the person who complained to the FTC... that has got to be the most laughable reason to contact them that I have ever heard of. YOU are truly ridiculous, as a consumer and a fan. Anyone else who does this, or drops rating-bombs on the game, that's just pathetic. Just my two cent.

[ninjaNumber1]

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

[Tequila Man]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

There were a few people who went over the top, but most of the people I've seen just pointing out legitimate points in a civilized manner. If a game ruins an entire series we've had 5 years to come to love in 10 minutes, is it wrong for us to ask Bioware to do both itself, and the series justice? Should we just say "Hey, Bioware, great job on that ending even though I really didn't like it and it didn't fulfill what you would promise us!"

Customers have every right to tell a company they don't like the product. What we're doing is NOT just saying "Game sucked, moving on and never giving Bioware money again." We're giving them a chance to make this right and win our loyalty back. We are Bioware's allies in this debacle, not their enemies. However, that does NOT mean we're just going to accept something poorly done based on "artistic integrity".

No, it is not right to ask to redo the ending.

We are right to tell them "Hey, your game was great till that ending. That stuff was really bad"

But to then go and say "Do justice by your product, redo an ending" is too much. They gave you a great product. If the entire game had sucked from the begining, you probably wouldn't even care. The very fact that you care shows that ME3 was great. Just had a poor ending.

So you don't need to accept it. But you can't just demand an ending either. People seem to think its either accept or demand a change. There is also a middle-ground, just tell them what you think about the ending and move on.

Why? I don't understand why that is too much. Is there some moral compass here I'm lacking? 

[Vasparian]

I guess some people go out to dinner, order, get the wrong food and just eat it. They don't send it back. They don't ask for it to be fixed. They just consume what they were given even if the picture and words said what they were supposed to get, was completely different from what they were given.

[KotorEffect3]

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because you don't get to make demands.  I just realized that much of the community is like a bunch of Udina clones.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 22 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[Spectre Impersonator]

 There have been outliers and trolls on both sides... geniuses, idiots, but overall I think it's just a very passionate community who loves the series and Mass Effect 3 and that's why they care so much about the ending.

The backlash towards Bioware and the game overall saddens me but unfortunately, they kind of brought it on themselves with the unpolished, unresolved, unalterable ending that contradicts most of what they said pre-release. 

[Tequila Man]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

The whole game? Heck no. I'd just return it. That analogy doesn't hold up.

[Edrick1976]

The community as been more civil in their ciritcism then not. I would say 80% has been very constructive however that does not mean the other 20% does not make us all look bad. To call the rest of us dicks because a few bad apples act in a way does nothing more then show that BioWare is running out of constructive ways to defend their position so they attack the "character" of the group they are fighting againsed. WOW just like politics.... when one party cant defend their position they "attack" the other person or group....

[Melancholic]

I'm part of this community, and I'm not terrible...

You can't expect everyone to conduct themselves properly when dealing with an angry mob numbering in the thousands.

If anything, I believe this community has been mostly great.

[blackangel209]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

It doesn't matter what that 1% is. The game mass effect is "Not the ending of Msss Effect". Would you be happy with BW if they gave you a disc which only had the ending? No matter how important it was, you would still complain about where is the rest right?

So in this case, they got the rest spot-on. They just failed at the very last bit. Not even the ending actually. Even the end-game was good untill the very last moments.

Now is it right to forget about all the good they did and just bash them for that one mistake? Oh and did I mention that this is a piece of entertainment?

The fact that the rest of the game is so freaking good is what makes the ending they gave us so insulting, not only to our intelligence, but to our characters that we've built up.

I don't care if someone spends their entire life as a philanthropist, if in the last 5 minutes of their life they start global thermo-nuclear war. That person is an evil bastard.

Endings matter.

[Grasich]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

There were a few people who went over the top, but most of the people I've seen just pointing out legitimate points in a civilized manner. If a game ruins an entire series we've had 5 years to come to love in 10 minutes, is it wrong for us to ask Bioware to do both itself, and the series justice? Should we just say "Hey, Bioware, great job on that ending even though I really didn't like it and it didn't fulfill what you would promise us!"

Customers have every right to tell a company they don't like the product. What we're doing is NOT just saying "Game sucked, moving on and never giving Bioware money again." We're giving them a chance to make this right and win our loyalty back. We are Bioware's allies in this debacle, not their enemies. However, that does NOT mean we're just going to accept something poorly done based on "artistic integrity".

No, it is not right to ask to redo the ending.

We are right to tell them "Hey, your game was great till that ending. That stuff was really bad"

But to then go and say "Do justice by your product, redo an ending" is too much. They gave you a great product. If the entire game had sucked from the begining, you probably wouldn't even care. The very fact that you care shows that ME3 was great. Just had a poor ending.

So you don't need to accept it. But you can't just demand an ending either. People seem to think its either accept or demand a change. There is also a middle-ground, just tell them what you think about the ending and move on.

I agree, the game itself was phenomenal. However, if that ending ruins the series then we, as customers have every right to just give the game a ****ty rating and return it or just not buy anything from Bioware again. What we are doing is giving them a chance to win us back. If they don't want to, then it's the same as if we just rejected them from the start. They can do better than this.

[Atmospeer]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Slightly different quantity of work there, no?

[chris fenton]

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because we didn't make the game and we don't own the company.

[Terraforming2154]

Pfor wrote...

Some people claim that they're engaging in respectful feedback and dialogue and then proceed to act like whiny entitled children by aping/mocking something said on the Mass Effect twitter account, reposting (for the 100th time) a bunch of quotes by developers, claiming that they were lied to, that Bioware is now a jackal pit of EA cronies, that their lives have been ruined etc. It's hilarious and pathetic.

Honestly, what is wrong with holding the developer comments to account? Some of the things they said prior to the game coming out do seem somewhat disingenous.

It doesn't mean Mass Effect 3 is a horrible game by any stretch, but do you really think it is bad for people to question some of the things that were said if they feel that game didn't provide that?

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 22 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[Filby08]

I fail to see why I should be chastized by a random internet person over the actions of another random internet person.

You seem to have completely ignored the dozens of other threads and comments that were well thought out and respectful.

[stcalvin13]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

I don't understand people who get on here just to tell us how bad we've been.  

First off, In all likelihood, no gamer community has ever been as incensed as ME3 gamers, yet many have been much, much, worse and many have had much worse reasons for their anger.  We really haven't been that bad.

Second, can you tell me what  "What [we]'ve done to Jessica Merizan."  She's the best liked bioware employee right now.  Really, we like her.  Maybe someone's been a jerk to her, but by and large she's rather popular.  Now if you want to talk about things people have said about Casey Hudson, well . . . 

Third, it may be a great game for 99%.  Maybe it's even a great game overall.  But it's a great game that I can't stand to replay.  And many others feel the same.  Given that the game was supposed to be all about choices and that we were supposed to have complete control over the story, that's stunning.

[ninjaNumber1]

Tequila Man wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

There were a few people who went over the top, but most of the people I've seen just pointing out legitimate points in a civilized manner. If a game ruins an entire series we've had 5 years to come to love in 10 minutes, is it wrong for us to ask Bioware to do both itself, and the series justice? Should we just say "Hey, Bioware, great job on that ending even though I really didn't like it and it didn't fulfill what you would promise us!"

Customers have every right to tell a company they don't like the product. What we're doing is NOT just saying "Game sucked, moving on and never giving Bioware money again." We're giving them a chance to make this right and win our loyalty back. We are Bioware's allies in this debacle, not their enemies. However, that does NOT mean we're just going to accept something poorly done based on "artistic integrity".

No, it is not right to ask to redo the ending.

We are right to tell them "Hey, your game was great till that ending. That stuff was really bad"

But to then go and say "Do justice by your product, redo an ending" is too much. They gave you a great product. If the entire game had sucked from the begining, you probably wouldn't even care. The very fact that you care shows that ME3 was great. Just had a poor ending.

So you don't need to accept it. But you can't just demand an ending either. People seem to think its either accept or demand a change. There is also a middle-ground, just tell them what you think about the ending and move on.

Why? I don't understand why that is too much. Is there some moral compass here I'm lacking? 

Yea, the whole idea of asking to redo something when you don't like it is unfair. There is money involved in development. It's not like "hey, lets make a game" and they pop one out.

In this case, they did a great job for 99% of the game. If you are going to be so harsh about them for the 1% they failed in, what is the proportionate reaction to devs who screw up entire games?

[Joush]

 It says right at the top of the page that personal attacks aren't tolerated. 

And they shouden't be. But calling the ending bad or saying that the person that wrote the ending failed in several fundmental ways isn't a personal attack, it's a professonal critisism.