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[Mad-Hamlet]

Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members.

I have seen zero, repeat, zero deliberate and provocative attacks from any person here on the forums to anyone else, much less a Bioware employee in any capacity on these forums and I've been watching these issues develop for two weeks. (Haven't read every thread or post of course so I could have missed something)
But in my personal experience this has been the politest, most self-contained, gentle form of commitment to something valued I've ever seen on my years on the net. Now, that don't mean off the Forum people have been angels but I'm not sorry about that because I didn't do it and have no control.
Make up your mind- either we're immature and whiny, thereby logically incapable of the organizational skills required to be a cohesive group and therefore are in no way responsible for individuals bad behavior or we're a quasi-focused bunch of people with clear goals and a sense of commitment to them through a mature, decision making, process which, logic implies, that we'd be too polite to be a bunch of jerks and therefore, again, are not responsible or represented by, the aforementioned jerks.

[Tequila Man]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Um... I certainly would complain and ask for a refund, yeah.  I would've paid $85 for a piece of **** and lies.

They only lied about the ending. The rest of the 99% was intact. Now you are still entitled for a refund. But you are not entitled for a new ending.

Yes, but we can still demand one. Is the Morality of Business Police coming to get me? As a consumer, I can shout all I want.

[DemGeth]

Empiro3 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Death Threats? I haven't heard any of that.

Then you haven't been reading some of the pro-ending topics. Anti-Ending Movementers have been threatening those who like the game.

Then those people should be banned from the forums. I don't think you'll find many on either side of the debate who think that threats are acceptable.

I've gotten some creeeepy things.....maybe should of contacted a mod....but than again it's so sad that people are like that I feel bad for them tbh.

[ninjaNumber1]

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Slightly different quantity of work there, no?

Yes, there is a slightly different quanitity of work but it still would be inconsistent to go after the Devs who screw up little while leaving alone those who screw up big time.

So in other words, its like saying we would have left BW alone if they had botched up ME3 in a major way.

The difference is, one can be rectified while the other is practically irrecoverable.

Sure but you are missing the point about the double standard.

You are penalizing the ones who makes a small error by pestering them continuously for a new ending, causing negative publicity through it and even having large petitions.

But the ones who did irrecoverable damage, you just let off the hook.

It is this double standard that doesn't make sense.

[Ticondurus]

OP is right on the whole. That's the reason I had to disagree with the other "The community has been terrific" thread. Clearly that person hadn't been reading the forums or anywhere else on the internet.

[HenchxNarf]

DJStarstryker wrote...

I agree with this topic. It's getting really old seeing the people being so downright abusive and nasty towards Bioware. I can understand if you are disappointed. I can understand wishing things would be different. But the people saying Bioware employees should be fired, death threats, people going to the FTC or BBB or wanting to do a class action lawsuit, giving retailers a hard time until they feel forced to give people full refunds on video games that are opened when they typically don't (even for games so buggy that more deserve it)... that's way too far.

IA with you. It's ridiculous.  And when they return it, they're stating they'll buy it again when its cheaper. Which is..I  have no words.

[Evil_medved]

Dridengx wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Name a GOOD gaming community.

CD Projekt Red?

[Thornquist]

Tequila Man wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

I agree with OP. While this dosent apply to everyone, a lot of people here have been acting immature and spoiled, and dare I say "entitled".

You have no idea how hilarious this comment is, in regards to this OP. But, enough of that.


"A lot?" Love how more often than not, we are defined as a "minority," but when it's negative there's suddenly "a lot" of us. Or were you saying "a lot" in regards to our majority?

"A lot" as in: This forum.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Here

That is a thread publicly praising Jessica. You make assumptions of an entire community on the actions of a select few? This type of reaction is bound to breed extremists on either side; we have witnessed them, but do not generalize us all because of their actions.

[chris fenton]

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because we didn't make the game and we don't own the company.

We're customers. What if I bought stock in EA (not a good idea, atm)? Would that qualify me to demand? This rational is awful. 

If you bought stock? No. You didn't write it.
I don't know, it's just my opinion. We can just agree to disagree. :happy:

[starscreamerx31]

I figured alot of you would be happy to get better clarity if not more endings. For god sakes its democracy in action here. Of course im gonna get it with democracy please your just a whiner. But oh well.

[ninjaNumber1]

Tequila Man wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Um... I certainly would complain and ask for a refund, yeah.  I would've paid $85 for a piece of **** and lies.

They only lied about the ending. The rest of the 99% was intact. Now you are still entitled for a refund. But you are not entitled for a new ending.

Yes, but we can still demand one. Is the Morality of Business Police coming to get me? As a consumer, I can shout all I want.

Of course! You can do anything really. BUT, you have to ask yourself if you can live with double standards. In your case, an extreme attacking approach for those who did small mistakes in games while relatively nicer treatment for those botch up entire games.

I think most of us would not be comfortable with having double standards like that though.

[Tequila Man]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Slightly different quantity of work there, no?

Yes, there is a slightly different quanitity of work but it still would be inconsistent to go after the Devs who screw up little while leaving alone those who screw up big time.

So in other words, its like saying we would have left BW alone if they had botched up ME3 in a major way.

The difference is, one can be rectified while the other is practically irrecoverable.

Sure but you are missing the point about the double standard.

You are penalizing the ones who makes a small error by pestering them continuously for a new ending, causing negative publicity through it and even having large petitions.

But the ones who did irrecoverable damage, you just let off the hook.

It is this double standard that doesn't make sense.

It's not a double standard at all. I've flat out told Bioware for years I consider them the bestest best besty RPG company. I hold no one to a standard like I do them. Hence, naturally, the outrage.

[HenchxNarf]

DemGeth wrote...

Empiro3 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Death Threats? I haven't heard any of that.

Then you haven't been reading some of the pro-ending topics. Anti-Ending Movementers have been threatening those who like the game.

Then those people should be banned from the forums. I don't think you'll find many on either side of the debate who think that threats are acceptable.

I've gotten some creeeepy things.....maybe should of contacted a mod....but than again it's so sad that people are like that I feel bad for them tbh.

I've had three death threats and one wish that I would commit suicide. I reported them and nothing happened.

But I hate that the movement side denies that they have people acting like this.

[G Kevin]

Justin2k wrote...

Hate reading comments like "this community has been fantastic" and "yay we retook mass effect".

I didn't like the ending at all.  I didn't like the auto-dialogue.  I didn't like the multiplayer maps ruining the sidequests and i didn't like the new gay characters taking up more screen time than Ashley.

But I have never come on here and reduced Bioware staff to the point where they are visibly upset and refusing to come on the forums.  I have never tried to insist it is right for Bioware to give money to charity (which i'm sure they do).  I have never sworn at people who are just doing a job.

The crazy thing is, ME3 is a great game.  And you so called "fans" enjoyed 99.9% of 3 whole games.  It's just a video game, there are more important things in life.  What you've done to Jessica Merizan is wrong and you cannot call yourself a great community.  You are nothing more than trolls and spoilt gamers.  It's disgusting some of what you people have said to people who are bending over backwards to appease you and who in the end owe you absolutely nothing.  Get over it.

Mass Effect was part of my life for 5 years. It has greatly influenced my teenage years. I have Mass Effect wallpapers, soundtracks, ringtones, etc. I am trying to write in Khelish font and completely write all most college notes from now on with that font. My I-phones password is 5585 for the amu of Fe which is what I think about when mass comes to mind.

Because of mass effect, I look to the stars. One day I would like to be an astrophysicist, but Chemical Engineer is fine for now. Whatever people say, this video game franchise will be with me forever.

[Rockpopple]

This community has been terrible.

... I'm ashamed to be associated with it.

[mrderp27]

both sides have their ignorant, rude idiots. ignoring that fact is bad. painting one side with broad strokes while failing to realize that your side has its idiots as well is worse

[Tequila Man]

Rockpopple wrote...

This community has been terrible.

... I'm ashamed to be associated with it.

Generalization and personal attack all rolled into one message! 

[Nonoru]

So you judge the whole community based on behavior from people who are at this point likely to not be part of it anymore(if they even were part of it) ?

Way to go.Also i love how you exclude yourself from the "fans" you're judging.

This thread will only bring bad stuff.But i'm sure that was your very idea from the beginning.

Modifié par Nonoru, 22 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Wolven_Soul]

I would not say 99.9%.  There were other faults in the game, it is by no means perfect.  Good..but not perfect.

[Justin2k]

Sorry but you guys saying it's all been civil and nice haven't been reading properly.

You are blinkered. You don't like ending and want to "retake" or whatever. Someone else feels the same. You don't disagree so you don't notice. But as above, people who like the game have been told to commit suicide. Moderators have had death threats.

Even in this very thread people have said "well i wouldn't death threat, but they deserve it for spoiling the game" and you guys overlook it.

It's an awful community, where the community manager can't even come here anymore because of the abuse. You see it as persistance or holding a line, but step back and re-read, it's abuse.

[Tequila Man]

HenchxNarf wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

Empiro3 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Silent Rage wrote...

I don't agree with stuff like death threats but while i'm not personally doing it I enjoy watching bioware get bashed. They lied about the game (Casey Hudson anyway) and I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Death Threats? I haven't heard any of that.

Then you haven't been reading some of the pro-ending topics. Anti-Ending Movementers have been threatening those who like the game.

Then those people should be banned from the forums. I don't think you'll find many on either side of the debate who think that threats are acceptable.

I've gotten some creeeepy things.....maybe should of contacted a mod....but than again it's so sad that people are like that I feel bad for them tbh.

I've had three death threats and one wish that I would commit suicide. I reported them and nothing happened.

But I hate that the movement side denies that they have people acting like this.

No one is denying it. But, this thread, combined with the horrendous history of the OP, is the pinnacle of irony and hilariousness. Has anyone been rude in the thread yet?

[ninjaNumber1]

Tequila Man wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Slightly different quantity of work there, no?

Yes, there is a slightly different quanitity of work but it still would be inconsistent to go after the Devs who screw up little while leaving alone those who screw up big time.

So in other words, its like saying we would have left BW alone if they had botched up ME3 in a major way.

The difference is, one can be rectified while the other is practically irrecoverable.

Sure but you are missing the point about the double standard.

You are penalizing the ones who makes a small error by pestering them continuously for a new ending, causing negative publicity through it and even having large petitions.

But the ones who did irrecoverable damage, you just let off the hook.

It is this double standard that doesn't make sense.

It's not a double standard at all. I've flat out told Bioware for years I consider them the bestest best besty RPG company. I hold no one to a standard like I do them. Hence, naturally, the outrage.

lol, how can you not see the double standard? Let me list it,

1) Developer X screws up Game Y from start to finish -- You just decide not to buy from them
2) Developer B screws up just 1% of  Game A  -- You decide to support an online petition, demand a remake of the screwed up part, as a result cause negative publicity

You don't see any double standard above? 

Because to me, it looks like you want to treat the one with the lesser crime harshly than the one with the worst crime.

[HenchxNarf]

Justin2k wrote...

Sorry but you guys saying it's all been civil and nice haven't been reading properly.

You are blinkered. You don't like ending and want to "retake" or whatever. Someone else feels the same. You don't disagree so you don't notice. But as above, people who like the game have been told to commit suicide. Moderators have had death threats.

Even in this very thread people have said "well i wouldn't death threat, but they deserve it for spoiling the game" and you guys overlook it.

It's an awful community, where the community manager can't even come here anymore because of the abuse. You see it as persistance or holding a line, but step back and re-read, it's abuse.

THIS! OMG THIS!

[Atmospeer]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Yes, it has.
We shouldn't be demanding jack ****.
We should be asking.
Don't flame Bioware. (Although, the "endings will be vastly different" thing is a little... Uhm.. 

Why can't we demand?

Because it doesn't make sense. If someone screwed up the whole game, would you ask them redo the whole game?

Slightly different quantity of work there, no?

Yes, there is a slightly different quanitity of work but it still would be inconsistent to go after the Devs who screw up little while leaving alone those who screw up big time.

So in other words, its like saying we would have left BW alone if they had botched up ME3 in a major way.

The difference is, one can be rectified while the other is practically irrecoverable.

Sure but you are missing the point about the double standard.

You are penalizing the ones who makes a small error by pestering them continuously for a new ending, causing negative publicity through it and even having large petitions.

But the ones who did irrecoverable damage, you just let off the hook.

It is this double standard that doesn't make sense.

We are giving them the chance to make up for, what we see as, their mistake. If the whole game was terrible, it would be given terrible reviews, fans in general would lose faith in the company. Such irrecoverable damage would severely damage the confidence of consumers in future BioWare titles, cutting into their profits.

So you see, they're not being "let off the hook", they're just suffering for their mistake in a different way.