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[037686]

The one thing I've struggled with in Dragon Age is placing the (approximate) age of the recruitable characters you're travelling with.

While you can never be sure of someone's exact age simply by looking at them, you can at least get a rough idea. A 19 year old looks significantly different to a 30 year old, for example. Is there any chance of clarification from someone at Bioware as to the approximate ages of the NPCs it would make sense for us to be able to pass a judgement on?

We know the (approximate) ages of many of the characters involved in the game thanks to the books. It would be nice to have rough estimates for the companions our PCs have spent so much time travelling with.

Obviously, I have my own ideas. In many cases, they're nothing more than guesses, however.

[Bhatair]

I wonder how old Shale is.

[Badpie]

I wondered this too.  Would be great to get a dev's insights.

I personally only have my guesses as well.  The PC seems pretty young I think according to the human noble and city/Dalish elf origins.  My guess is 22 or 23 ish.  Old enough to have been a "grown up" for a considerable amount of time.  I would think 22 or 23 in this world is much more mature than say, 22 or 23 in the real world.

Alistair I put at similar age, somewhere between 23 and 25?

Morrigan I thought was a bit older, more like 25-27.

Same with Leliana.

Zev I would put in late 20s.

Wynne doesn't look or seem as old as they talk about her being.  I'm picturing 70 at the most, though that probably IS ancient for humans.

Sten depends on how long Qunari live.  I don't know.  But if we were going by comparison to human time line I would say 40s.

Can't really say with Oghren.  Mid 30s?

Always saw the PC and Alistair as being the youngest of the group.

Devs?

[GodLikeDevil]

Alistair, Human Noble PC, Morrigan, Leliana, all seem to be in their mid-to-late 20s, though it's implied Human PC and Morrigan may be the youngest of the bunch (besides Dog, that is). Oghren seems to be in his mid-30s, late 40s, Wynne in her late 50s, Sten in his 30s, Loghain in his early 50s, Zevran, I can't say for sure, since his appearance as an elf makes him look young, but his experience implies he's older than he looks, and Shale, well, a few centuries?

[Alternategray]

I saw a reference to the pc's age somewhere- I think it was at the end, I saw some stats about the age the pc started at and how long it took to complete the main quest, in years. If I remember right, my pc started out at sixteen (younger than I would have thought), and for my runthrough at least, it took several years to accomplish.



Personally, I'm thinking Morrigan is about 20 or so- very mature for her age, but there's something about her that makes her seem very young. Maybe it's the craziness.

[037686]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been wondering this.



Obviously, in the case of Shale, there is no way we could tell. Although we could likely look it up in the Shaperate, since lore leads you to believe Shale would be mentioned in there.



Morrigan is a good example. If she appeared to be 20, her behaviour could be interpreted in a different light than if she appeared closer to 30. You could make a similar argument for Alistair, too. While I certainly wouldn't expect anything as detailed as exact birthdate/star sign/desert island discs, a rough idea of the apparent age of everyone would be great!

[Ulyn]

Sandal has certainly existed for tens of thousands of years, entombed in what would later be called the "Deep Roads." Every few centuries some shadow of his slumbering awareness was sensed, fleetingly and unawares, in the demon-haunted dreams of mad and black-hearted maleficars. That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.

[Maria Caliban]

David said that Morrigan is meant to be in her mid to late twenties.

Leliana has a conversation with Wynne where she says people see her as being younger than she is, and Wynne mentions she got her first apprentice 30 years ago, when she was Leliana's age.

I’m guessing that makes Leliana slightly older than Morrigan and Wynne in her late fifties/early sixties.

If you believe that Alistiar is Maric/Fiona's kid, then he'd be about 12-18.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 décembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[avegoadam]

Don't say that, you'll get hordes of squee'ing biowarian women after you for besmirching their adoration for Alistair as nothing but a pervy under-age crush!



Although, after the Landsmeet, I'm almost certain Alistair has the mind of a thirteen year old...

[DalishRanger]

Maria Caliban wrote...

David said that Morrigan is meant to be in her mid to late twenties.

Leliana has a conversation with Wynne where she says people see her as being younger than she is, and Wynne mentions she got her first apprentice 30 years ago, when she was Leliana's age.

I’m guessing that makes Leliana slightly older than Morrigan and Wynne in her late fifties/early sixties.
 

I don't remember Wynne saying that she was 30 when she got her first apprentice during that conversation. Besides, Leliana mentions that her mother worked for an Orlesian noblewoman in Ferelden, and left with her after the occupation ended. Wasn't that about 30 years ago from the current game? Leliana was born after her mother left Ferelden, so that would likely make her, at the oldest, 29. Unless perhaps her mother was already pregnant with her when she left for Orlais.

Or I could be remembering the dates wrong. Either way, it does seem likely she's a tad older than Morrigan.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:17 .

[037686]

The guessed dates put forth by both Maria and DalishRanger are likely very close, and similar to my personal assumptions. The problem, of course, is that we don't know for sure. Looking at DalishRanger's example, if we take Leliana as having a max ceiling of 29, she could be anywhere from 20 to 29 if you assume she is in her 20s. That's a relatively large swing in terms of maturity/life experience. And I'd certainly think most of us could spot the difference between a 20 year old woman and a 29 year old woman.

Perhaps we won't get clarification from Bioware, but if we can continue pointing out the small snippets we DO know to each other, we might get close enough.

Aside from some of the things mentioned in this thread, the only other thing I can think of relating to the recruitable characters is that Alistair joined the Chantry aged 10. If we can find a reference to how long he was there for, we might be able to deduce his approximate age.

NPC wise, I believe Eamon was 15 and Tegan 8 around the start of TST. Given that the events of TST cover about 3 years (I think), and we know the Battle of River Dane was approximately 30 years prior to the game events, we can conclude Eamon is about 45-48, and Tegan 38-41 (assuming my memory serves me correctly).

Modifié par 037686, 01 décembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[Ulicus]

Wow, Eamon's that young? I had assumed he was in his late fifties at the very least. He looks pretty ancient.



Leliana tells Wynne that she looks younger than she actually is, I always found that pretty interesting.

[DalishRanger]

Ulicus wrote...

Wow, Eamon's that young? I had assumed he was in his late fifties at the very least. He looks pretty ancient.

Leliana tells Wynne that she looks younger than she actually is, I always found that pretty interesting.

Yup, 037686's estimate is about right. It always kind of bugged me that Eamon looked and sounded as old as he does. Maybe he's just prematurely aged from stress?


True, but she could only look a couple of years younger than what she really is; at her point in life, that still makes a big impact. Heck, I'm 23, and I can't tell you how frequently people think I'm only 17 or 18 by looking at me. Rather annoying at times, really. <_<

[Saurel]

Morrigan is late 20s to early 30s

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1235503620

and Wynne 50s.

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1233282360

Modifié par Saurel, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:32 .

[Saurel]

DalishRanger wrote...

Heck, I'm 23, and I can't tell you how frequently people think I'm only 17 or 18 by looking at me. Rather annoying at times, really. <_<

Looking young is a good thing, Dalish. Unless youre doing so via a Freaks and Geeks sorta way. Trust me you'll be thankful later on.

[Saurel]

037686 wrote...

NPC wise, I believe Eamon was 15 and Tegan 8 around the start of TST. Given that the events of TST cover about 3 years (I think), and we know the Battle of River Dane was approximately 30 years prior to the game events, we can conclude Eamon is about 45-48, and Tegan 38-41 (assuming my memory serves me correctly).

Weird I would have pegged Eamon around 45-ish and similar with Isolde.... Eamon seems around 58 or so.

[JosieJ]

Well, if Wynne is going around complaining about her "old bones" and she's in her 50s, I guess it doesn't seem quite so incongruous for Eamon to be a greybeard at 48.

[Saurel]

JosieJ wrote...

Well, if Wynne is going around complaining about her "old bones" and she's in her 50s, I guess it doesn't seem quite so incongruous for Eamon to be a greybeard at 48.

Yeah I really didn't get the whole Wynne complaining . I could see the not being that capable. But she talks as if she doesn't have much time left and it seems like she is saying this to Alistair without any notion of Mr. Friendly Spirit.


You do get that speech from a few npcs though, about how Eamon married someone so much younger. Kinda seemed akin to the gold-digger syndrome of today. Makes him seem older than 40s, especially when Isolde didn't seem especially young.

Modifié par Saurel, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:46 .

[DalishRanger]

Saurel wrote...

Looking
young is a good thing, Dalish. Unless youre doing so via a Freaks and
Geeks sorta way. Trust me you'll be thankful later on.

Everyone tells me this, but I respectfully disagree. I don't mind looking old at all. In fact, believe it or not, I'm giddy that I'm starting to show traces of wrinkles. I'll wear them with pride, because they mark my face as one that has laughed and smiled much in its time. It's the feeling old that I'm not looking forward to, and that happens regardless of how you look.

Back on topic, those links are handy. Hooray for dev answers!

JosieJ wrote...
Well, if Wynne is going around complaining about her "old bones" and she's in her 50s, I guess it doesn't seem quite so incongruous for Eamon to be a greybeard at 48.

No, it wouldn't be incongruous for him to be gray at his age. But for me, it's also the way his voice is. I dunno, he just sounds older than he actually is to me. Ah well, it's not a big deal. Duncan was in his, what? 40's or 50's, and his voice actor was in his 70s, if I recall correctly. Can't just go by the voice.

As for Wynne's "old bones" commentary, I think it's more of her mocking herself for her age compared to others. She could very well feel a lot older than she is, too. Both my parents are in their mid/late fifties, and while both look around their ages, they're in shapes where you'd think they were at least ten years older than they are. 

Modifié par DalishRanger, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:50 .

[Saurel]

yeah I could see the Wynne comment..being related to her company. I was in college recently as a 24-25 year old and I felt old in comparison..

[037686]

Saurel wrote...

Morrigan is late 20s to early 30s

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1235503620

and Wynne 50s.

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1233282360

Brilliant! Thanks!

So, other thoughts:

Cailan is described as 9 years old in "The Calling". I believe TC is set roughly 12 years after TST, which would place it 18 years before the game events.

Given this, we can guess Cailan's age as roughly 27 at the time of Ostagar.

Expanding on this, we can assume that:

[The Calling Spoiler]



Maric/Fiona's son is roughly 18 years old by the time of the game. Assuming this is Alistair, that would place him at 18 to 19 ish at the time of Ostagar, which would be consistent with  a green recruit just out of Templar training.



[End Calling Spoiler]

[csmayer]

I really don't think that this is as well thought through as some other parts of the game.
Especially the whole "Alistair should be around 18ish"-part. Not that I disagree with the conclusions here, but I believe that there might be some flaws on the developing side here.

Anyways my estimates are: (This only applies to the aging "system" we know in our lives.... maybe elves have an even larger lifespan - as they were immortal once ... what do i know. Qunari might be the same)

Wynne: ~60-65 (remember: Plot states she is already an old woman and in the fall(as in autumn) of her life - so she's prolly older than 50) (ps: i like the "magical bosom"-quote in 037686's post )

Leliana: ~25-28

Morrigan: ~25-28 (maybe older since she eats toads ...?!?!)

Oghren: ~32-35 (he shows an uncanny resemblance to a good friend of mine ... and he's 35^^)

Sten: ~35-42 (in the Ashes trailer I picked him as ~25)

Alistair: ~22-25 (He is the pup in the group - most definitely)

Zevran: ~24-27 (I dunno... he has a certain ... wisdom yet ****iness about him - hard to say really)

Shale: ~300y (There is a very good estimate out there that I cannot find ad hoc, but she was one of the first golems as we find out in her quest with the Anvil. so she lived in the time of Caridin and the creation of the Anvil. I'm not quiet sure, but this must have been around the first Blight? this is all a little vague - especially in my head ^^)

Modifié par csmayer, 01 décembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[likeorasgod]

I agree with Ashes, made him look alot younger, but put the hero looking about mid to early 30's. In game I get the fell Alister and the PC are late teens early 20's. Leliana I would pick as midtweenties. Morgan about the same in appearance, actualy older.



But atleast we all know dog is the youngest....

[dan107]

David posted this timeline on the old forums a while back:

8:97 Blessed - the beginning of the Stolen Throne
8:99 Blessed - the Battle of River Dane
9:02 Dragon - the rebellion ends, Maric is coronated
9:04 Dragon - Cailan is born
9:16 Dragon - the Stolen Throne's epilogue
9:30 Dragon - Dragon Age: Origins begins

It's stated in The Calling that it takes place 8 years after the end of Orlesian rule, making it 9:10 Dragon.

In Ch. 4 it is stated that Cailan is 5 years old (probably about to turn 6). So that makes Cailan 25-26 in DAO.

Assuming that Alistair is the child from The Calling, he would be conceived in 9:10 so that would make him 19-20.

Maric is 18 in 8:97, Loghain is a few years older, so that would make Loghain around 52-55. (looks good for his age though)

Duncan is said to be about 18 in The Calling, so that makes him about 38.

According to the Stolen Throne Eaman is 15, Teagan is 8 in 8:99, which makes them 46 and 39 respectively.

[037686]

Thanks, Dan - those dates are very useful!