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[Badpie]

There's no way Alistair or the PC is late teens. If that's what it supposed to be then they didn't portray that at all. All of these characters have the voices, actions and bodies of adult people, not adolescents. So in the lore it may very well be that Alistair is supposed to be 18, but he is NOT 18 in the game. At the very least I would peg his character at 22 or 23.

[Mnemnosyne]

One thing to remember is that, as a pre-industrial society, life expectancy in Ferelden should be at least 30 years lower than it is for modern humans. Assuming, of course, that the writers took this into account, it explains characters in their 50's and 60's being considered the same level of 'old' as an 80 or 90 year old would be in modern times.

[Ravenfeeder]

Playing the human noble I always thought of him as 16-18. Old enough to have decent martial training but not old enough to go to war. Alistair maybe a year or two older. Both have more adult bodies because they are trained warriors and elite enough to be hand-picked by Duncan.

[tmp7704]

Going by origins i'd peg the city elf to be ~15-16 if that -- with the shorter lifespan it was the norm to get married much sooner than what we're used to nowadays. Given that i wouldn't be surprised if human noble was of similar age or 1-2 years older tops, similar to Alistair.

the different (much harsher) environment can also explain why they don't act very much like present times teenagers from rich countries, despite their age.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:28 .

[Kohaku]

Ravenfeeder wrote...

Playing the human noble I always thought of him as 16-18. Old enough to have decent martial training but not old enough to go to war. Alistair maybe a year or two older. Both have more adult bodies because they are trained warriors and elite enough to be hand-picked by Duncan.

I'm not sure why but I felt the same way. I just have this feeling my PC is a teenager, I just can't shake it.

[Wittand25]

Isnt Alistair supposed to be older than Cailan ?

In one banter with Wynne he descripes a meeting with his halfbrother when they both were children which does not work if you believe that he is the child from the calling.

[Foxd1e]

Yeah I have to agree that the Human Noble is probably between 18-19, His dad calls him Pup. His older brother seems like he could be around 24-25. I always pictured Loghain in his 40s and still will 50+ is just too damn old to still be a fighter. I wish I had known that before the Landsmeet now I feel like I was abusing the elderly.

[izmirtheastarach]

Wittand25 wrote...

Isnt Alistair supposed to be older than Cailan ?
In one banter with Wynne he descripes a meeting with his halfbrother when they both were children which does not work if you believe that he is the child from the calling.

How do you figure that?

[izmirtheastarach]

Double Post. Whee.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:43 .

[Badpie]

Maybe they left all the ages just ambiguous enough so we could role play that as well. Some people are utterly convinced that their PC is a teen and others, like me are sure they're PC is at least 21 or 22. Perhaps we are all right.

It might have a lot to do with the player's age.  As a 29 year old woman I can probably relate better to the characters and where they are in life if I imagine them as being mid twenties as opposed to 15.

Modifié par Badpie, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[037686]

Badpie wrote...

There's no way Alistair or the PC is late teens. If that's what it supposed to be then they didn't portray that at all. All of these characters have the voices, actions and bodies of adult people, not adolescents. So in the lore it may very well be that Alistair is supposed to be 18, but he is NOT 18 in the game. At the very least I would peg his character at 22 or 23.

If you were comparing them to our societal age standards, I would agree.

But I seriously doubt that average Feraldan life expectancy is the same as we currently enjoy, and I suspect they "grow up" faster than we do.

For example, look at the age characters get married off in George RR Martin's ASOIAF series - extraordinarily young, by our standards (12, in some cases). Given that DA has been modelled on similar principles in many areas, I wouldn't be surprised if the same standards for maturity held true for the characters portrayed in Origins.

[Badpie]

Oh and Dan107, thanks for those dates! That helps!

[izmirtheastarach]

Foxd1e wrote...

Yeah I have to agree that the Human Noble is probably between 18-19, His dad calls him Pup. His older brother seems like he could be around 24-25. I always pictured Loghain in his 40s and still will 50+ is just too damn old to still be a fighter. I wish I had known that before the Landsmeet now I feel like I was abusing the elderly.

Even in ancient Greece, there were men fighting and commanding armies well into their 50s. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

[Kuravid]

 In short, I'd say Alistair, Leliana and Zevran are maybe 23-25, with Morrigan seeming to be in her late 20s (though it's really just the voice that throws me off). Oghren and Sten are probably middle aged, Wynne is probably in her early 60s and Shale is a golem so who knows.

[Wittand25]

Wynne ask Alistair if he ever talked with Cailan, he responds that they talked only one time when Cailan visited Redclif as young child. From this dialog it seems that Alistair should at least be the same age if not older than Cailan.
http://dragonage.wik...tair's_Dialogue ( the eighth dialog )

Modifié par Wittand25, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[Badpie]

037686 wrote...

Badpie wrote...

There's no way Alistair or the PC is late teens. If that's what it supposed to be then they didn't portray that at all. All of these characters have the voices, actions and bodies of adult people, not adolescents. So in the lore it may very well be that Alistair is supposed to be 18, but he is NOT 18 in the game. At the very least I would peg his character at 22 or 23.

If you were comparing them to our societal age standards, I would agree.

But I seriously doubt that average Feraldan life expectancy is the same as we currently enjoy, and I suspect they "grow up" faster than we do.

For example, look at the age characters get married off in George RR Martin's ASOIAF series - extraordinarily young, by our standards (12, in some cases). Given that DA has been modelled on similar principles in many areas, I wouldn't be surprised if the same standards for maturity held true for the characters portrayed in Origins.

I agree.  You were considered a "man" at 19 or 20 with full adult responsibilities.  Sigh.  Kids today.  Haha.  Now we have 40 year olds still living in their parents' basements.

[Ravenfeeder]

Badpie wrote...

It might have a lot to do with the player's age.  As a 29 year old woman I can probably relate better to the characters and where they are in life if I imagine them as being mid twenties as opposed to 15.

I'm 46.  I don't relate well to teenagers at all (I was training one last week <shudder>).  Doesn't stop me roleplaying one though.

[Ravauviel]

Playing the Human Noble Origin I personally had the feeling that the PC was around 20-23 years of age, Alistair around 25-28, Morrigan around 23-25, Oghren & Zevran in the mid 30s, Wynne in the 60s, Sten in the 40s and Shale being of indeterminate age (probably really old, around Caridin's time maybe).

[DariusKalera]

This is kind of why I would have liked there being a human commoner origin. That way, your toon could have been any age you wanted him/her to be and not locked into an age group that the designers wanted you in.

[twincast]

DariusKalera wrote...

This is kind of why I would have liked there being a human commoner origin. That way, your toon could have been any age you wanted him/her to be and not locked into an age group that the designers wanted you in.

Oh, please. All the Origins could have been designed with murky adult age, but it's a hero's journey and they usually start out young and thus all Origins make some comments about your youth. What would make you think a Human Commoner Origin would be any different in that regard?

[DariusKalera]

Unless the developers have you start off as being stuck within an age bracket, you could at least be able to choose how old your toon is and rp a bit more of his/her background.

[Kosh_Naranek]

As for Wynne's "old bones" commentary, I think it's more of her mocking herself for her age compared to others. She could very well feel a lot older than she is, too. Both my parents are in their mid/late fifties, and while both look around their ages, they're in shapes where you'd think they were at least ten years older than they are. 

Her talking about her old bones and how she may not be around for much longer may also be something of a cover for what happened to her in the Circle Tower.  She is old, but she also, well, died and is being sustained by a spirit.  That probably took its toll on her body.

[Kozuka78]

Assuming you are a human noble PC, the story cant put you any older than 20-21, just based on the reactions of your mother and father, and some of the conversation options available too you.



Dalish Elf, City Elf, and Mage origins would all place you around this age aswell. A young adult just coming in to their place in society.



Dwarf origins I haven't played. But considering you are the middle brother and older than bhelan (who seems to be clearly in his late twenties at the least), I would assume you are in your thirties.



Allistair according to peoples digging through the lore is around 18-20. 18 seems abit too young, but his inability to get over duncan implies that he has never sufferred loss before. We also know he hasn't had many 'worldly experiances' shall we say, which would fit with the 18 idea. The downside is the game engine doesnt really support the age of characters very well, so allistair appears to be as fully developed as any other male. However the more you think about his dialogue the younger he seems.



Morrigan I would describe as flat out 21. She looks and acts older due to the harsh, tough nature of her upbringing, I dont think shes anywhere nearly as old as she acts though.



Leliana is slightly older, around 23, 24. This would make her about 18,19 when she was groomed as a bard, and about 21/22 when she ran away, which I think would fit in with her story quite well. It seems like marjolene had too much power over her for to be much older than that. I cant imagine a women of 25/26 becomming so dependant on someone, so she must of been a teenager.



Sten I would place in his fourties without a doubt, maybe even older. His hair is grey, his voice gruff. He has definately experianced his lot in life. I would place oghren in this catagory aswell, a grizzled warrior, late thirties, probably not into his fourties.



Zevran is older than he looks imo, atleast thirty, did you not see all that nivea for men in his tent?



Wynne, I would place in her late sixties.



Dog behaves like a young dog, probably only 3 years old



Shale...I cant quite remember but didn't the dwarves lose the making of golems after the first blight? if so that would make her over 1000

[Bhatair]

Well said Kozuka78, I came back here to say pretty much the same thing. XD

[dan107]

Badpie wrote...



There's no way Alistair or the PC is late
teens. If that's what it supposed to be then they didn't portray that
at all. All of these characters have the voices, actions and bodies of
adult people, not adolescents. So in the lore it may very well be that
Alistair is supposed to be 18, but he is NOT 18 in the game. At the
very least I would peg his character at 22 or 23.

Ever seen a college football game? There are some 18 y.o. kids out there that are built like brick houses already. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Wittand25 wrote...

Wynne ask Alistair if he ever
talked with Cailan, he responds that they talked only one time when
Cailan visited Redclif as young child. From this dialog it seems that
Alistair should at least be the same age if not older than Cailan.
http://dragonage.wik...tair's_Dialogue ( the eighth dialog )

I don't see anything in that dialogue that makes it seem like Alistair is younger.
He could easily be 6 and Cailan 12 or so. But there's nothing in the
books about Maric having an older child. It doesn't really make sense
for one of the books to emphasize the fact that Maric had a bastard
child who then turns out to be irrelevant, and there's ANOTHER bastard child that's not even mentioned that can take the throne.

Badpie wrote...

Maybe they left all the ages just ambiguous enough so we could role play that as well. Some people are utterly convinced that their PC is a teen and others, like me are sure they're PC is at least 21 or 22. Perhaps we are all right.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's the case. Leave enough ambiguity for us to fill in the blanks any way we want. That's the best way to do it IMO.