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[Raltar]

I could have swore that at one point, either Eamon or someone else said that Alistair was Maric's eldest son and true heir to the throne, meaning that he was older than Cailan. I'm almost positive on this point.

[xxr]

Wittand25 wrote...

Isnt Alistair supposed to be older than Cailan ?

If I recall correctly Alistair tells us that his birth/parentage was kept hidden so that he wouldn't be a threat to Cailan's claim to the throne, which implies that Cailan was already around when Alistair was born.

[Krigwin]

I wouldn't go so far as to say Zevran's thirty or late twenties.

If you dig into his background, his previous mission right before the Grey Warden assignment was the one with Rinna and Taliesin, and he states that at that time he was young and cocky, believing himself to be the most skilled Crow around. Sounds like youthful confidence there.

Tack onto the fact that the Crows train and use their assassins early on in life, and it's not that hard to believe Zevran began his career in his early teens. Plus you also find out that he succeeded, for lack of a better term, many of his missions through sheer luck rather than actual skill and experience.

I would venture to say Zevran is mid-twenties at the latest, although he certainly acts (and looks) like he's in his early twenties.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Bhatair wrote...

I wonder how old Shale is.

Very.

[Creston918]

In my last playthrough, Shale mentions (in party banter) that she's around five centuries old. Can't remember who she was talking to, though.

[tmp7704]

Krigwin wrote...

I would venture to say Zevran is mid-twenties at the latest, although he certainly acts (and looks) like he's in his early twenties.

If the estimate of Alistair being 18 or so is correct then i'd give Zevran no more than 20 years -- from their party talk and the camp dialogue they come across very similar, with Zevran being more world-savvy but otherwise equally goofy rather than experienced.

This is of course keeping in mind their environment would accelerate the mental growth somewhat compared to our own times.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 décembre 2009 - 10:44 .

[Saurel]

If Alistair is suppose to be 18 and Zevran is suppose to be 20..... I'll just say the graphic and voices did a really horrid job at portraying that.

[Ulicus]

I suggest that Eamon went prematurely grey as a result of his magical poisoning. Or maybe it aged him, too.

[tmp7704]

Saurel wrote...

If Alistair is suppose to be 18 and Zevran is suppose to be 20..... I'll just say the graphic and voices did a really horrid job at portraying that.

I'm chalking it up to technical limitations -- game is using single body model for gender/race combination no matter the age to avoid problems with fitting the equipment etc, and the voicework issue is no different from how it is when it comes to the movies... where we get people play characters which are supposed to be 10+ years younger than the actors themselves are.

Modifié par tmp7704, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[eschilde]

I don't know how old Alistair is but I'm fairly sure he's the younger brother.. though I also feel that's questionable. Eamon says that although Maric wanted to acknowledge Alistair, it would also mean he'd be admitting infidelity.. so Alistair was at least conceived while Maric was married. That doesn't necessarily mean Cailin is older. It's possible that Cailin and Alistair are just very close in age..



Alistair's being a threat to Cailin's claim is somewhat questionable if he's the younger child; if he's both a bastard and the younger child the best he could possibly be is next in line after Cailin, only if Cailin himself doesn't have a child. If he's older, that could be more questionable but he's still a bastard..



(I realize this does nothing to answer the question of his age. )

[Gold Dragon]

Judging by Conner, one starts showing a Magical Talent at around 10 years of age. Mage Start tells after many years, so I suspect training for this takes maybe 6-8, so a 16yo isn't out of the question.



Noble human start, you are the younger offspring of Feargus. While it IS possible to play as a greybeard here, the story doesn't make sense. Feargus looks 22-26, and Orlen (his son) is 10ish, and unless he got an early start... 16 is perfectly acceptable for the Noble Human start. Oh, and the Boy wants a sword. I suspect that if he had lived, his training would start when Feargus got back.



Dwarf noble: 30's is ok. King IS old, after all...

[DariusKalera]

I actually figured Fergus to be in his early to mid 30s with his and the PC's father being in his early 50s.



If that is the case, then Tyern Cousland married his wife when he was in his early to mid 20s which fits with medieval and renaissance marriage practices.



Likewise, if Fergus married his wife at roughly the same age and with his son being 10ish, then that fits as well.



Now, the first time the PC sees Howe, (at least from the male perspective) there is talk of Howe's daughter coming with him next time to visit. Some of the dialogue options from hat encounter are basically "I don't need an arranged marriage" and "She's quite a bit younger than me isn't she?"



This says to me that the male PC is at the marrying age. Which, as I said, was in their early to mid 20s.



Not really sure what "quite a bit younger" really means, but the average marrying age for noble women at that time was 15. (Actual ages ran from 12-17)



With the male marrying age being early to mid 20s and a noble woman's marrying age being around 15, then that "quite a bit younger" translates into the better part of a decade. Which works with the time period in which the developers said they based their game.



One bad bit of bad news with this though is that this doesn't quite work out well if the noble PC is female. Generally, if the a noble female was not married by the time she was 20, she was sent off to a nunnery. Or, possibly the Chantry in DAO's case.

[AtreiyaN7]

Hmm, I just hope Alistair is over 21.

[JosieJ]

DariusKalera wrote...


One bad bit of bad news with this though is that this doesn't quite work out well if the noble PC is female. Generally, if the a noble female was not married by the time she was 20, she was sent off to a nunnery. Or, possibly the Chantry in DAO's case.

That may have been true in the Renaissance but there's no indication that anything of the sort would happen in Ferelden.

[Saurel]

JosieJ wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...


One bad bit of bad news with this though is that this doesn't quite work out well if the noble PC is female. Generally, if the a noble female was not married by the time she was 20, she was sent off to a nunnery. Or, possibly the Chantry in DAO's case.

That may have been true in the Renaissance but there's no indication that anything of the sort would happen in Ferelden.

yeah considering how much Ferelden strays in its social liberalism alone....I wouldn't apply much historical rules to the setting.

[Saurel]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Hmm, I just hope Alistair is over 21.

He looks at least 28 to me, even if he isn't suppose to be that. 24-26 seems like safe bet to me.

Modifié par Saurel, 03 décembre 2009 - 03:53 .

[Badpie]

Saurel wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Hmm, I just hope Alistair is over 21.

He looks at least 28 to me, even if he isn't suppose to be that. 24-26 seems like safe bet to me.

I know!  It throws me off.  If he IS supposed to be 18-20 or so they should have given him an elf body or something.  Because he's still a boy and not a man.  I don't know any 18 year olds that have that body.  Fit, sure.  But manly?  No.

[Saurel]

His humor seems way to sophisticated to be that young imo. In addition to his looks. I don't meet many people in their mid 20s with that wit.. I can't imagine an 18 year spewing lines like that.

[DariusKalera]

Saurel wrote...

JosieJ wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...


One bad bit of bad news with this though is that this doesn't quite work out well if the noble PC is female. Generally, if the a noble female was not married by the time she was 20, she was sent off to a nunnery. Or, possibly the Chantry in DAO's case.

That may have been true in the Renaissance but there's no indication that anything of the sort would happen in Ferelden.

yeah considering how much Ferelden strays in its social liberalism alone....I wouldn't apply much historical rules to the setting.

Well, the developers said they based part of the game on cultures from our own history.  So barring them telling us otherwise, it is safer to assume that their marriage practices are more likely following historical norms then not.

Besides, the comments concerning Anora and Cailan and those between the PC and Howe do suggest that they followed these norms.

[JosieJ]

DariusKalera wrote...

Saurel wrote...

JosieJ wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...


One bad bit of bad news with this though is that this doesn't quite work out well if the noble PC is female. Generally, if the a noble female was not married by the time she was 20, she was sent off to a nunnery. Or, possibly the Chantry in DAO's case.

That may have been true in the Renaissance but there's no indication that anything of the sort would happen in Ferelden.

yeah considering how much Ferelden strays in its social liberalism alone....I wouldn't apply much historical rules to the setting.

Well, the developers said they based part of the game on cultures from our own history. 

Basing part of the game on cultures from our own history does not mean slavishly imitating every detail.  Maybe they didn't base that part on cultures from our own history.

 So barring them telling us otherwise, it is safer to assume that their marriage practices are more likely following historical norms then not.

Um, why?  When women basically run the major religion, fight in the armies, and are equally represented in all aspects of society, as the game itself says?  That is decidedly not like the Renaissance.