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[suusuuu]

Simpfan wrote...

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Is it stated anywhere specifically that Turians do not produce biotic users? I don't think we've seen a biotic turian at all in the course of the series.

in ME1, Kaiden accidentally killed the Turian who was hired by the Alliance to train the first human biotics. So yes, Turians are well versed in biotics.

Also turian biotics are extremely rare and seen with suspicion by other turian

and saren was a biotic, but that could have been cuz of sovereign, but we may never know

there are turian biotics in multiplayer, too. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 22 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[HairyMadDog1010]

Skypezee wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Kaidan is more powerful than Shep.
Jack would be higher than Kaidan in my book.
Samara being one of the most powerful biotic of the galaxy.

Shep is actually one of the weakest biotic among the crew.

Actually Kaidan mentions that while he does spike higher than most L3s, he says that Shepard is an exception if s/he is a biotic as well. In other words, Kaidan notes that Shepard is stronger than himself.

And after that Shep gets even better implants, while Kaidan says he will never go back under the knife.

[shadey]

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

[Hurricane Brad]

GBGriffin wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...


There is a scene with Chakwas early on, which states that the L3 implants, while safer, are less powerful than L2s in general, but that Shepard's L3s seem to be an exception.

Does she mention this if I'm a soldier? I honestly may have just breezed past this, and like I said, I ignoe Kaidan until I leave him to die

Pretty sure it mentions that Kaidan is an L2 no matter what class you play, I remember it coming up in a conversation when I was playing an infiltrator.  I first beat ME1 as a vanguard and I don't remember any dialogue that acknowledged that Shepard was a biotic, but it was quite a few years ago though so maybe I forgot.

[DadeLeviathan]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

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Hmmm only thing is Shep has got good back up.  

So did Vasir while she healed and Saren hs help on Virmire. Also in Liara's time capsule talk she calls shepared and extreamly talented biotic(or something similer).

Not to mention that an Adept/Sentinel/Vanguard shepard continually takes out waves of highly trained/powerful enemies. Cerberus troops in ME1 and 3 are some of the highest trained and most augmented soldiers in the galaxy. Yet a biotic shepard is able to take 5, 10, 20 of them at a single time. A "regular" biotic would not be able to do that. The only other characters we ever see taking out as many enemies with pure power/skill as Shepard are Jack, Samara and Liara. Logic would dictate they were all on a level playing field in terms of power. Samara would be "better," given that she has had almost 1000 years of experience, discipline and training, but I wouldn't say she was more "powerful." She's just better. 

[Simpfan]

shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

Several Krogan use biotics.
The "stupid machine" one on Feros
I think Inamorda uses biotics
The one who is on Therum

I think in general Krogan use biotics more often in ME1 than in ME2

[lordnyx1]

shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

He does on the Sal homeworld, krogan airdrop ftw!

[cynicalsaint1]

I'd guess that only Jack and Samara are more powerful than Shepard as far recruitable characters go. I would out her at the upper limits of what humans are capable of barring exceptional cases such as Jack.

[Hurricane Brad]

shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

Wrex uses his biotics to throw some salarians in a cutscene in ME3.  I don't think he ever used them in any scenes or even mentioned them in ME1 though.

[ElcorAmbassador]

shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

There's a cutscene of wrex using throw on the salarians in Surkesh...

[cynicalsaint1]

[quote]Simpfan wrote...

[quote]shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.[/quote]

Several Krogan use biotics.
The "stupid machine" one on Feros
I think Inamorda uses biotics
The one who is on Therum

I think in general Krogan use biotics more often in ME1 than in ME2[/quote]

Well Krogan biotics are said to be rare - my guess is Shepard killed most of them in ME1

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[GoblinSapper]

Hurricane Brad wrote...

shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.

Wrex uses his biotics to throw some salarians in a cutscene in ME3.  I don't think he ever used them in any scenes or even mentioned them in ME1 though.

It's mentioned in ME1 lore that Krogan Battlemasters (which Wrex is one) are extremely rare in the galaxy. You will note Wrex is essentially a Vanguard.

This means, in ME3 terms, he has Biotic charge.

A Krogan. With Biotic Charge.

Enuff said.

[Joush]

Shepard's a gifted solider with N7 training intended to maximize her/his talents and years of combat experience.

As a solider, she's one of the best shooters Wrex has ever seen and he's been a mercenary for centuries. As an adept, she is more versatile and has potently much better damage then Samara, Jack or Liara. Shepard isn't just a gifted biotic, as an adept. She's one of the best special forces biotics in the Alliance, as noted by her getting the N7.

All of this gets turned up to 11 in ME2, when Shepard is rebuilt with the latest and best L5 biotic implants and, by the end, a heavily customized biotic amplifier to go with years of battle experience.

[ElcorAmbassador]

Speculating, I would have to say Wrex is more of a Sentinel than a Vanguard...

[Simpfan]

[quote]cynicalsaint1 wrote...

[quote]Simpfan wrote...

[quote]shadey wrote...

besides wrex though I am not aware of seeing any other krogan use biotics, they all just use guns

and wrex never used biotics in any cutscenes.

I think wrex could use biotics in me1 was for gameplay reasons because otherwise liara was the only squadmate that could use them.[/quote]

Several Krogan use biotics.
The "stupid machine" one on Feros
I think Inamorda uses biotics
The one who is on Therum

I think in general Krogan use biotics more often in ME1 than in ME2[/quote]

Well Krogan biotics are said to be rare - my guess is Shepard killed most of them in ME1

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Thats what i figure

[Skypezee]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

Skypezee wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Kaidan is more powerful than Shep.
Jack would be higher than Kaidan in my book.
Samara being one of the most powerful biotic of the galaxy.

Shep is actually one of the weakest biotic among the crew.

Actually Kaidan mentions that while he does spike higher than most L3s, he says that Shepard is an exception if s/he is a biotic as well. In other words, Kaidan notes that Shepard is stronger than himself.

And after that Shep gets even better implants, while Kaidan says he will never go back under the knife.

That too. In ME2 during Shep's reconstruction stage they are either fitted with the L5x implant if they are an adept or an L5n implant if they are a vanguard.

[Hurricane Brad]

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Speculating, I would have to say Wrex is more of a Sentinel than a Vanguard...

He didn't have any tech powers in ME1, so not really sure why you would consider him a sentinel.

[RLesueur]

Doesn't Liara say something about Shepard being one of the most powerful biotics she's ever seen in ME3?

I think it's fair to say that whatever class you pick, Shepard is one of the best ever at it. Shepard is just supposed to be utterly exceptional.

[WeAreLegionWTF]

vanguard here. Liara describied me "as a powerful biotic who was nearly unstoppable when he charged into a fight" May have been the best scene in the game.

[Skypezee]

RLesueur wrote...

Doesn't Liara say something about Shepard being one of the most powerful biotics she's ever seen in ME3?

I think it's fair to say that whatever class you pick, Shepard is one of the best ever at it. Shepard is just supposed to be utterly exceptional.

She says something slightly different to reflect each of the unique biotic classes (in my first play through I was a vanguard and she talked about how Shepard was a really strong biotic who was practically unstoppable). But in all of her comments, she talks about how much of a remarkable person Shepard was both as a person and a soldier.

Modifié par Skypezee, 22 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[Amialis666]

Simpfan wrote...

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Is it stated anywhere specifically that Turians do not produce biotic users? I don't think we've seen a biotic turian at all in the course of the series.

in ME1, Kaiden accidentally killed the Turian who was hired by the Alliance to train the first human biotics. So yes, Turians are well versed in biotics.

Also turian biotics are extremely rare and seen with suspicion by other turian

and saren was a biotic, but that could have been cuz of sovereign, but we may never know

Think it was because of sovereign... In the book mass effect revelation Saren does not use any biotic powers once... (Alteast not to my memory...)

As well, it can't be all to uncommon for turians to be biotic... I remember a scene in ME2, where a C-Sec officer is asking a Turian to deactivate his biotic implant or something... The turian goes 'What? Why?", the officer explains to which the the turian claims he isn't a biotic.

Granted they might just say that to everyone who goes to clearance... with the exception of shepard, and his crew members...

[Hajilestone]

 When Liara came up to my cabin to show me the database she made for the future cycle she commented on my Shepard's biotic abilities by saying that he was "very powerful and when he charged into battle no one could stop him", this was what she said for a vanguard so i'm not sure what she would say for other classes.

[Simpfan]

Amialis666 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Is it stated anywhere specifically that Turians do not produce biotic users? I don't think we've seen a biotic turian at all in the course of the series.

in ME1, Kaiden accidentally killed the Turian who was hired by the Alliance to train the first human biotics. So yes, Turians are well versed in biotics.

Also turian biotics are extremely rare and seen with suspicion by other turian

and saren was a biotic, but that could have been cuz of sovereign, but we may never know

Think it was because of sovereign... In the book mass effect revelation Saren does not use any biotic powers once... (Alteast not to my memory...)

As well, it can't be all to uncommon for turians to be biotic... I remember a scene in ME2, where a C-Sec officer is asking a Turian to deactivate his biotic implant or something... The turian goes 'What? Why?", the officer explains to which the the turian claims he isn't a biotic.

Granted they might just say that to everyone who goes to clearance... with the exception of shepard, and his crew members...

Well according to the wiki, which gets its sources from codex entries and such, it says that turian biotics are very uncommon. And are so distrusted by the turian hierarchy that they are forced into special groups called Cabals instead of allowed entry into normal military

[LenabotSE]

Shepard is the strongest biotic in actual gameplay, but there's a difference between "in-game" power and "cutscene" power.  Samara and Jack aren't overly special in the actual game, but the cutscenes portray them as being biotic titans.  You can reason that Shepard is somewhere in the middle ranks of the biotic power index, depending on class (Adept/Vanguard/Sentinel) and game (Vanguards became considerably more powerful over time). 

Kaidan and Shepard are probably no more powerful than your average asari commando.  I'd rank them as:


Top Tier:  Exceptional Biotics

• Samara (Justicars are considered legendary biotics even in asari culture)
• Morinth (Ardat-Yakshi bonuses make up for any lack of experience)
• Jack (Probably as strong as the best asari matriarchs)
• Liara (More focused on precision strikes than giant biotic blasts)
• Matriarch Benezia (arguably)

Middle Tier:  Dedicated Biotics (Adepts and Advanced Vanguards/Sentinels)

• Tela Vasir (exceptional vanguard)
• Aria (implied)
• Adept-Shepard / Vanguard Shepard (ME2 and 3)
• Kaidan 

Bottom Tier:  "Supplemental" Biotics (Sentinels / Average Vanguards)

• Vanguard-Shepard (ME1)
• Sentinel-Shepard
• Wrex
• Miranda
• Thane
• Jacob

Modifié par LenabotSE, 22 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Shepard had L3 implants in Mass Effect.

When Shepard's body was rebuilt in Mass Effect 2, Shepard's implants were upgraded to the L5 series.