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[ManiJT]

The ending for me is correct, maybe not the best but i can not understand why the fans are so angry.

Bioware had made a espectacular game and people only talk about the "bad" ending that they made, this thinking is a shame after 50 hours (in my case) of fun playing this game. Many films and books uses this kind of endings to twist your mind and make you believe whatever you want.

And also this franchise is so famous, do you really think that this will be the end of Mass Effect? I´m sure that we will play more ME games in the future. So, is matter of time see what Bioware is preparing for us.

Thanks and sorry for my English

[Poison_Berrie]

Vilegrim wrote...

the endings where fine when Ion Storm wrote them for Deus EX.

To be honest it worked itself up to that ending. You knew the themes that the endings represented. 

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

It's analogy time!

The ending to ME3 was like being at your own wedding, walking up the aisle, and then suddenly your fiancée/fiancé--whom you are madly in love with and have spent 5 of the most beautiful and emotionally touching years of your life together with--starts making out with the best man or one of the bridesmaids (who is also your best friend) with zero warning or reason, and then proceeds to tell you that they hate you and never want to see you again.

It's like having your favorite sportsball athlete, whom you believe is one of the best role models in the sport and has had one of the best careers in the history of said sport, punch the person singing the national anthem, steal their microphone, and shout "Kill all [pick a racial slur]!!"

It's like the new pope saying "Everything you have ever believed is wrong and you are all idiots for believing it."


People have cried because of the beautiful storytelling in Mass Effect; it's almost unparalleled.  They have felt touching moments of heart-wrenching anguish seeing the plights of others; anger, disgust, and indignation at those responsible.  They have felt bitter sorrow, despair, and resentment; honor, justice, and duty.  They have felt adventure, amazing childlike wonder, and a desire to explore.  They have felt overwhelming joy, heart-stopping relief, and dare I even say it, love.  People have immersed themselves in the universe over the course of hundreds of hours and have fallen in love with it, and the characters and people that populate it.

The huge reaction is not because on a purely cognitive and intellectual level we believe there are plot holes and inconsistencies in the ending.  It's because we feel on a very primal, raw, emotional level that everything about the endings is such a 180 degree turn on the rest of the story and themes (both in ME3 and the entire trilogy) that we have been betrayed.  Even if on a conscious level we don't think the word "betrayal," at the subconscious level the powerful emotions that are being evoked can be associated with those that come from betrayal.  Emotions are not rational.  Emotions are not logical.  They are instinctual and they are very strong.  When you essentially destroy that which we love, the reaction will be equally strong.

[Filurija]

Filurija wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Texansamurai wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Texansamurai wrote...

I think my biggest objection with the ending is that with the missing components that make Mass effect, Mass effect are now gone. This makes it hard to have EU(Expanded Universe) fan content or stories.

It would be like Starwars suddenly without the force. Would there still be jedi/sith

Same can be applied to ME 3. Will such and such ever return home. Can you still have alliances between species in isolation? Who knows its hard to tell.

I actually thought that was a good stroke.  The relays were part of the Reapers' scheme to control organic development.  By destroying them and the Citadel you force the organic species to break free of the path set forth by the Reapers.

Question is, can the organics still have a galactic community without reaper tech? IE Mass Relays or Citadel.

They can develop their own tech, their own fresh start.  The "reaper" tech was just the tech of the original race, but humans or any race can do the same thing.  It will take time, but its not a death wish.

Well, I do think this "new tech" will come down to creating their own Mass Relays eventually.  It would be difficult to make anything Mass Effect without them.

There is something thats been bothering me regarding Tech in Mass Effect, Sovereign says in ME1 that: *Your Technology is based on the Mass Relays our Technology*  thus this mean EVERY Tech? like omnitools or Computers? If so then de Destroy ending sends the ME universue back into the Dark Ages. Things like Hospitals, computers, omnitools would't work anymore right?

Bump

[AlanC9]

You're bumping something that silly? Sovereign was BSing there. He did that a lot.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

As a follow-up, the player is very emotionally charged up at the ending. There's a huge, intense, CGI space battle cutscene. The player gets dropped directly into hell (London) where wave after wave of enemies tries to kill them. They get all worked up by the farewell conversations at the forward operating base. Then they get thrown into even more combat stress as they face down a reaper on foot and something like a dozen brutes backed up by banshees and more enemies all at the same time.  Then they charge not just any reaper, but the big daddy big bad leader of all reapers in a suicidal scramble to get to the beam.

So it's fair to say that emotions and tensions are running very high at the moment. It's the epic climax.

And then weird stuff happens. Stuff that does not make sense. And then everything is over. There is no descending action, no road home. There is no catharsis. The player is confused and their emotions are still running high and they don't know what to do. So what do they do? They come to the forums and vent to get the needed catharsis that the game failed to give them.

Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 24 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[da mighty rEAper]

watch this, please

[Heimdall]

MDT1 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Also, the wave is not light as you imply. It is moving at sublight speed, implying that is something that give off light rather than light itself.

Which brings us back to not knowing what it is.

but the fact that we can see it still implies it radiates it

So?

[Heimdall]

MDT1 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I don't mean it literally, only to say that not everyone was killed.  Shepard, however, their greatest hope, was apparently killed, so of course they might suffer a sudden drop in morale.  I'm not saying it makes complete sense that they left, only that they aren't dead and it is logistically possible for them to have been extracted.

Again, it might be possible, but it would have made so much more sense to try to reach the beam again instead.

I wont deny that if you work with nearly absurd impossibilities, you can explain ME3's ending up to the point where you see the normandy.
But thats the problem, thas what most people don't find satisfying.
It's ok if you have to chew an improbable explanation once, or twice, it just happens to often during ME3 ending.


And on another topic, some people are also angry because it's just not the end that was advertised for, they said the ending would bring closure and answers, which is somehow the oposit of speculations and questions.

It can be explained without any absurd impossibilities whatsoever up until the Normandy appears as long as you are willing to extend the same suspension of disbelief about physics that has been present throughout the series to the Crucible energy wave. 

Like I said, the Normandy is the only thing I want changed.

Simply no.
The moment the starchild introduces itself, I ask myself where it was during ME1.

To let this work you have assume that it sleeps or something.
A more logical assumption would have been that it constantly monitors the galaxy through the relay network, but this simply contradicts ME1.

Next thing, the resaonable reaction to it would be to meet it with a certain value of distrust.
Shepard doesn't, he just accepts everthing the main villain of the entire series tells him.

When the godchild explains his actions, from Shepards point of view and experiences with the geth it would make sense to argue that the starchilds assumption are false.
But Shepard accepts it.

Frankly, I don't know why you think Shepard accepts it.  There's a difference between not arguing futilely and believing the Catalyst is right about everything.  I already told you that it makes perfect sense for the Catalyst to go into a dormant state to avoid detection by organic technicians.  In fact it stands to reason that the signal to the keepers was not to open the Citadel but to have them activate the Catalyst to activate the relay.

It would make sense to point out that the cycle is an ineffective way to stop synthetics, as
A) Synthetics are created (Geth)
Each civilisation that doesn't emerge in proximity to a relay, could develope and create synthetcs before they find their first relay.
But again, Shepard just accepts everything.

  It would be nice to ask that.  But I don't know why you assume Shepard has to believe everything he is told.  He just has to accept that it's what the Reapers think and if past experience is any indication, no amount of arguing will change that.

After Arrival you would at least expect Shepard to ask if the destruction of the relay network wouldn't cause a mass genocide, because he can't know it's only different colored space magic, again nothing.

The Catalyst implies as much by his descriptions of the consequences of his actions.

TBH, if the fictory fleet starves to death or not is no plothole, but probable as, with the exception of the quarians perhaps, nobody is prepared for a long journey.

Nobody is in danger of starving in the Sol system, they all have opportunity to prepare for this journey.  The quarians can teach them to build live ships.

The explosion of the relay network either destroys the systems or is not logically coherent. The first seems extremly dark, the second option is a fail from Bioware if they indeed wanted lots of speculations.

  How the hell does the relays exploding leave any room for speculation?  Everyone is dead.

The explosions only depend on war assets, the Crucible is also a war asset, but you can alter the outcome without altering the Crucible, it's war assets can still be the same.

That's a gap between gameplay and narrative.  It's unfortunate, but they happen.

Try to explain how Shepards survival can depend on the fact when Anderson dies.

The Stargazer can be understood as "I just made most of it up to entertain the kid".

Explain the gap between the ME3 ending they advertised for and the ending we got.

I don't say this list is complete, but you would have at least have to explain everything on that list in a consistent satisfying manner to get everyone to like the ending.

It's not my goal to make everyone like the ending, only to explain that many of these so called "plotholes" are not plotholes.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 24 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

You're assuming an insane amount of details Aesire. I particularly liked the one where you said the Normandy overloaded the moment the magic wave hit it; but the wave had nothing to do with that overload.

The fact that you have to make such assumptions kind of proves everyone else's point.

[Heimdall]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

You're assuming an insane amount of details Aesire. I particularly liked the one where you said the Normandy overloaded the moment the magic wave hit it; but the wave had nothing to do with that overload.

The fact that you have to make such assumptions kind of proves everyone else's point.

Not really, watch the video again.  The first shot we see is of the Normandy cockpit with sparks flying and warning alarms blaring.  Then we see outside the ship and the wave has yet to touch it.  That ship was well on the way to crashing before the wave did anything.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

MY Shepard would never have accepted ANYthing Sparkly-God Reaper Child (aka Space Hitler) said at face value and would have called "Bull****!" but BioWare decided at the last second to completely upend everything and not even give us a conversation wheel to challenge the things Glowy AI Godchild says. "Implied" choice or consequences are not remotely good enough given the medium. The RP in RPG was completely removed.

[FosterBr717]

I feel like at the end of the game, a blank Word document should have popped up that said "Write your own damn ending."

[Joker is my pilot]

You do realized the final scene you call it 'Ending' is not really an ending right? The Game is not complete, yet.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

If that's true then BioWare shipped an incomplete product and lied about it.