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[TLK Spires]

i should not have to choose as those should not be mutually exclusive ideas.

[Leftyguy]

I suppose both is too much to ask...

In that case, I pick quality. I'd rather have the ending(s) completely redone a few months from now than have them get an "are you happy now" band-aid in a couple of weeks.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Citizen Q wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Reign762 wrote...

I will counter that I paid 60 dollars, others 90 (CE) for a complete product. BioWare employees made statements that have been proven and found to be inaccurate or lies that created an expectation that was not met. This is actually false advertising and illegal once they comment in the public domain on a product.

Therefor it is allowing me to receive what I purchased in the beginning.

This. I keep saying this. It should be quality DLC that helps BioWare redeem their series, their business practices, and themselves. The players have paid. It's time BioWare delivered on what was advertised to the fans.

As much as you may rant and rave about it, and as much as I agree with you, this is NEVER going to happen.

If you want a new, quality ending to the Mass Effect series, you will be paying for it. This is a fact predicated by EA's ownership of Bioware.

While Bioware may still truly care about its fans, EA has proven time and time again that they have one of the most myopic viewpoints regarding consumer loyalty in the business. The will not fix it for free, you will have to deal with this fact if you want Mass Effect to get the ending it desreved.

I may have to deal with that, yes, but then it doesn't really fix the problem of EA and BioWare losing a lot of consumer trust, does it? I'm almost certain I won't buy it until after I see what it's like for myself, and the way it sounded, it seems they're just adding extra dialogue to explain things anyway. It's a disappointing prospect, but if that's all they're going to do, it's not even worth the purchase.

If I do end up purchasing it, I'm pretty sure I'll be ignoring any future IPs from BioWare. Dragon Age 3 may have something worthwhile, but it's certainly not on my list of games to pre-order.

[Tregon]

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

They screw up, they have to answer for it. They are not entitled to my money either if they provided product which did not meet their advertised claims.[/quote]
They did not release a faulty product, they released a product that didn't satisfy you. There is a huge difference. Yes, a carpenter will have to fix your chair if they forgot to attach the fourth leg, but there's not much you can do if you found it simply didn't match your walls when you took it home. They will not repaint it for you for free.[/quote]

If they told me that I will get green chair, and then delivered pink one, they have to paint it for free.

Read the quotes from director and contrast them to what we got. They promised something they did NOT deliver.

[quote]
Because I know the vast majority of money does not go to sit in a bank vault somewhere, it pays salaries. I don't want anyone laid off. I don't want anyone to be forced to put in overtime for no compensation. And I definitely don't want their next game's budget to be lacking in that they used some of the money for DA3 or some other game to fix the ending.[/quote]

They still have profit they can dip into. Again, they must be made accountable for their lies. 

By paying them for doing wrong you encourage that attitude.

[quote]
I'll be grateful I even got a new ending. Have you -ever- heard of a developer going back to the ending of their games before, no matter how dissatisfied people were? The only time I can recall at all - and it's a slightly different situation - is Fallout 3. Out of the millions of games out there, it's happened once. BioWare may very well be the second company to ever do their fans that same service. And you're complaining?
[/quote]

Yes, because they promised me that there would be no ABC ending, and then lied to me. Out of all those other games, how many have so specifically promised something and then totally betrayed that promise regarding the ending?

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...
Which approach you think would motivate them to improve quality of their products?[/quote]
You honestly think they want to repeat the ME3 ending drama again? That is not in their economical best interest, for sure. We only want to pay this once because it was a single-time screw up. Of course they can't systemise this and expect people to follow, they're too smart to know that.

For all the whine about EA, they know how to make money. And they know bad press is horribly bad for sales in the long run.
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Yes, EA knows how to make money. They notice they can lie through their teeth, arrange situation where fans are unhappy and GET MORE MONEY! Having fans outraged and then practically forced to buy new DLC is economicall THE best interest.

You say you only want to pay this once, but what do you do when they repeat this with another good series? If you do not have guts to stand up and demand proper ending free now, why you would suddenly have them at that point? 

All your arguments "they might lay off people" and "it might be away from next game budget" would still apply.

I'm 100% huge portion of people saying "ok, I'll pay but just this once" would do it again. And again. And again.

Modifié par Tregon, 23 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[BrutaleBent]

If the choice IS between free and mediocre or 10 bucks and awesome, I'll chose the latter.

[Tregon]

Aloren wrote...

Well, it seems we don't want the same thing then. I just want an improved ME3 ending . I don't want to hurt or boycott or teach a lesson or whatever....It's not about telling bioware what my money is worth, it's just about what Mass Effect is worth to me. And I know i'd definitly prefer to pay for a great dlc than selling my game  and say "that will teach them !!" if it's not free. I don't want my money back, I just want my mass effect.

I have no interest in hurting BW or EA, but if they do not accept they WILL make this standard practice.

Look at history. First there was some free DLC, then practically all became paid.
Invasive copyprotection. Forced online to play singleplayer...

I want my ME too, but I also want to know that BW and EA NEVER AGAIN even dream of doing this again. And that requires us NOT to reward them for this beharior.

[shrimprahmen]

not gonna lie...i would pay a reasonable price for a dlc....hell i paid 150 bucks for star wars the old republic....played it for 1 month....stoped playing it.....gave the statue to a freind of mine for their birthday.....dlc wont bother me.

[spacefiddle]

Reign762 wrote...

I will counter that I paid 60 dollars, others 90 (CE) for a complete product. BioWare employees made statements that have been proven and found to be inaccurate or lies that created an expectation that was not met. This is actually false advertising and illegal once they comment in the public domain on a product.

Therefor it is allowing me to receive what I purchased in the beginning.

This is the stance that I start with.  However, since Bioware won't tell us anything yet, there's no way to tell how it should go.

If there was something planned all along, and it was badly mishandled?  As above, I already bought the game.  It should be free.

Are they really pondering the production of new content, maybe going back to the original vision of the series and its themes?  Absolutely I would pay for that.  This has been a disaster for everyone, no need to make it worse or punitive.

Is it going to be some April announcement of non-ending DLC, or some "additional explanations" of why the current ending is Just Fine As Is, or other form of dodging the entire issue of the box not matching its contents?  Then no, I walk away, and will probably no longer be an EA customer in any form.

[Kuari999]

Taldek wrote...

its like taking a pizza back after eating all but 1 slice and demanding another with a different topping because it wasn't what they said it was, I'm happy to pay them as i support the fact bioware will have to work hard on a alternate ending.

Actually in this case it'd be like eating the pizza and then realizing they shat on the last piece.

Anyways, on topic, it should be both frankly.  They not only falsely advertised, but quite frankly wrote the worst ending in video game history.  In 20 years of gaming, never have I been more disappointed.  By all other business standards, if it was screwed up this bad, you'd get a refund, and yet people want gaming to be immune to this?  No, there are quality standards that should be upheld in all things.

Modifié par Kuari999, 23 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[myd00m]

movieguyabw wrote...

As we all know, DLC takes time and resources to produce.  You have to pay artists, writers, and voice actors afterall.  These talented people aren't going to work long hours for free.  Given the endings lacking explanation and choice, I find it shocking that many fans are crying for a free DLC, when this means there would be no profit for Bioware.

Ideally, sure, it'd be nice to have free endings, but logistically, there's no reason this should be the case, if we want *quality* endings.  Wouldn't you rather them take their time and be paid to create something truly amazing, as opposed to releasing something half-assed because fans are screaming for "free" content?

yeah and dlc used to be called expansion packs where you would get a huge chunk of game for 20-30 bucks, now they sell you stuff on the disc, and with bioware its not even cosmetic, it is actual game relevant content

[Kuari999]

myd00m wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

As we all know, DLC takes time and resources to produce.  You have to pay artists, writers, and voice actors afterall.  These talented people aren't going to work long hours for free.  Given the endings lacking explanation and choice, I find it shocking that many fans are crying for a free DLC, when this means there would be no profit for Bioware.

Ideally, sure, it'd be nice to have free endings, but logistically, there's no reason this should be the case, if we want *quality* endings.  Wouldn't you rather them take their time and be paid to create something truly amazing, as opposed to releasing something half-assed because fans are screaming for "free" content?

yeah and dlc used to be called expansion packs where you would get a huge chunk of game for 20-30 bucks, now they sell you stuff on the disc, and with bioware its not even cosmetic, it is actual game relevant content

Lets not forget that expansion packs were essentially sequels that attached to the original game most of the time.

[tanuki]

I would prefer really "quality" DLC which would give the series finale they deserve. And I'll gladly pay for it, at least to support the work of the people who weren't involved and hadn't a word in the mess of the "endings" we have now, but have to fix it.

[VAIOMANIAC]

I would pay if only to ensure a quality release I am passed the point were I would not pay

[Tregon]

Kuari999 wrote...

Lets not forget that expansion packs were essentially sequels that attached to the original game most of the time.

Mmm... BG2 and Throne of Bhaal... Oh the good times.

Should not forget time without invasive "copyprotection" and forced online for single player.
Anything gaming industry feels they can get away with, they try to push to become standard practice.

[Applepie_Svk]

What should i say, i am feel little upset and desperate from last news about endings of ME3. It sound pretty clear that whole time it was in plan but even if not every creative director agreed with ending. (won´t be lie, they just try to refuse and argue)
I was and still am fan of ME universe and i will even paid for better ending (i mean ending with clossure and not ending with big black hole in the middle), i understand the fact as a creating such a content take a time and effort of everyone in team of directors even if this ending means this was in fact their fault.
But i am still willing to pay for next content since i saw few of ME3 misions i am still in good hope for rainbow and sunshine future of ME

[Jackal7713]

I would pay, but it better have multiple choice endings. Not some star kid saying here three colors choose one.
I sure as hell wouldn't pay for a better explanation, of the current ending. 

Bioware needs to fulfill their pre-launch advertising and give us endings that allow give us a choice, be it happy ending and a LI ending. They have already made th ones where everyone is screwed. So they just need to add the others and fix the plot holes.

I can't stress enough, that the "explanation" DLC isn't going to cut it!

Bioware will have more people upset that nothing was done, so they won't buy it.  On top of that, you see a mass exodus of customers. 

Modifié par Jackal7713, 23 mars 2012 - 08:29 .