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[Thornquist]

Didnt you guys feel bad enough for deconstructing Jessica's messages, and having her come here and tell you how hard it was on her?

No, lets start by "interpretating" Ray now, CLEARLY he is "lying", "scared" or whatever.

Forum, I am disappoint.

[ChristianTh]

The ending needs a rewrite not an explenation.
Maybe they will get it when they start to work on it. Maybe not, but when not the ****storm will raise again, maybesmaller and shorter but then, the ****storm is only smaller while a lot of fans will turn their back on BW because of the next disapointmend and that they have accepted the fact that BW is unable to swallow their pride to make great games.
We will not keep BW as priority when we are only an option for them.

[Reptilian Rob]

Thornquist wrote...

Didnt you guys feel bad enough for deconstructing Jessica's messages, and having her come here and tell you how hard it was on her?

No, lets start by "interpretating" Ray now, CLEARLY he is "lying", "scared" or whatever.

Forum, I am disappoint.

To be honest, it's not even that hard to deconstruct.

His statement was extremely telling.

[Catroi]

We'll know by April, but I have a bad feeling about this...

This won't end well, we will just end up with stupid text boxes, no more content, they won't give up their plot holed-filled ending...

[Shadowresli]

Nice analysis. Thanks for the insight, Reptilian Rob. IMO it's just another PR angle.

Also you have to consider that its near the end of the first quarter of the fiscal year. Dr. Ray not only has to say something to us consumers. Foremost he has to apease the people who pay his bills, the shareholders. EA shares aren't doing that well this year, so he has to send a signal that he has the situation under control.

For my part, i will continue to monitor the situation and take nothing for granted.

PS: If you haven't already read this, i recommend this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/10084349 also very insightful in the workings of PR.

HOLD THE LINE

[ZLurps]

KeldorKatarn wrote...

It's a product I spent 75 bucks on, based on statements that were pure lies alright? I'm a customer. I have some rights. I don't give a shi** whether this is a video game or a lawnmower.

This guy gets it.

[Deithmarez]

LeonRoughan wrote...

I posted on the retake board earlier after I read the statement with a similar sentiment. Albeit lampooning the feeling he was putting across.

"to sum up Dr. Ray Muzyka's blog post:

"I loved my own product! Look at these review scores! LOOK AT THEM! Don't you understand that you are therefore wrong? It's ok though, i'll humbly accept the criticism.

fair does, a bunch of you guys didn't like it (I have no idea for the life of me why, Deus Ex plots and 3 identical colour coded endings are cool right?)

So apparently you guys just want closure yes? (boy I have obviously NOT read most of the threads) well we can take a look!

Just know that we're working on DLC at the moment regardless. So if we get round to fixing stuff (depending on how the sales go) then good for you.

Also, do your own research, buy the game, tell a friend to buy the game, already own a copy? buy another copy! You genuinely can't hate the ending any MORE at this point can you?

I'm not going to mention the charity drive.

Thank you for your feed back - we are listening!

*COMMENTS CLOSED*"

[SaladinDheonqar]

I think we can all tell Bioware still thinks the ending is fine as it is, without having to deconstruct anything. And how can you trust someone to fix something, when they can't even see the problem? I'm worried that they're just going to sellotape some half-assed extention to the current ending, and try and milk it for maximum profit. I would rather they just come out and say they're not touching it, because they don't see anything wrong with it. Then at least I can return my copy and say goodbye to Bioware/EA.

Modifié par SaladinDheonqar, 22 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Reptilian Rob]

ZLurps wrote...

KeldorKatarn wrote...

It's a product I spent 75 bucks on, based on statements that were pure lies alright? I'm a customer. I have some rights. I don't give a shi** whether this is a video game or a lawnmower.

This guy gets it.

[golyoscsapagy]

Oh great. Guess the 'look at me I'm more important than anyone else because I can throw more dirt on BW then you' contest started when I wasn't looking?

If I wasn't that lazy I'd find out what you work and do some nice analysis of your works, just, you know, 'to get the truth out'.

This 'fanbase' is probably the most dissapointing one I encountered lately. Yes, you have every right not to like the ending(s). But the method how you communicate it... I can't help it, but a 8 year old girls comes to my mind throwing a hissy fit.

[ChristianTh]

Thornquist wrote...

Didnt you guys feel bad enough for deconstructing Jessica's messages, and having her come here and tell you how hard it was on her?

No, lets start by "interpretating" Ray now, CLEARLY he is "lying", "scared" or whatever.

Forum, I am disappoint.

Lets face it, by reacting to this movement he shows that it is big enough to care about it. But he says that there is no problem, only a minorty.
When you made a mistake you have to face the consequences. That is what we all have to do every single day. We have to accept the consequenzes of our actions. And now you tell us, that this wrong? That we have to cheer and calp to someone who not only says: "Look, they made the mistake" but also says: "There is no mistake".
WTF? He responds to a mistake by saying there is none? Come on, that isn' t just cheap, that is insulting. He trys not only to fool his customers but also trys to make em look dumb and unorganized.

In fact we got fooled about ME3 and came to this forum to talk about it.
We simply saied the ending is not what we expected, it feels rushed and there are som plotholes.
From day one we got denunced as whiny bunch and raging minorty that only wants to rage.
So, no, I don' t feel sry for making a bad day to any PR-damagecontrol man or woman.
It' s unbelievable, these guys get hammered by forbes day by day but they still try to fool us. To divide us.
When the retake ME3 movement stops. Some PR-guy gets a big bonus and we get nothing.
If you want this, fine. We want them to listen and not some PR-blabla.
They say they listen and then proof this wrong by releasing PR-notes that show that they have understood nothing.

[Abreu Road]

The ending is so terrible that its unbelievable is written by the same people who wrote Tuchanka, Rannoch and many other fantastic moments.

They have to admit it. The ending was probably imposed by 2 or 3 people and not by the entire writers team.

It's unbelievable that the writers of Tuchanka, Mordin, Legion, Rannoch and many other would let that plot hole filled ending.

[Iwillbeback]

Exactly what I thought when I first read it.


Then people started saying bioware is working on new "endings".

I'm not sure where they got that from.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 22 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[Mvin]

If this is indeed going to be simple textboxes, then goodbye Bioware. They know exactly what we want, they have collected tons of feedback and repeatedly say they are listening to us. How does releasing a DLC that misses the point of most our concerns completely stand to that?

[mothbanquet]

An interesting post. I would genuinely like to believe Dr Ray is being sincere but there are so many little PR catchphrases woven into the speech that it's hard to pick out what are his personal thoughts and what he's pulled out of the 'Big Book of Corporate Newspeak'.

[RedDuke2011]

I support this thread.

[Trishot]

Having no background in these things at all, I find it amazing I came to a similar conclusion. Granted, not as well put as your thoughts OP, but a similar conclusion none the less

[dreman9999]

 Ok...I'll straight up say it...You topic is really 
biased. I can understand his feeling of artist integraty to the game, heck all creators of medium feels that way, but to say he's lost touch because he beleives in that  is really narrow minded. What ever statement he made wasjust to illustrate his side of the issue. The factthe he willing to change the ending show he is listening. And underc utting the reveiw scores the game have over the user score who are by most people only saw the ending ignores the factthat ME3still is a great game even with the bad ending.
 Say what you will about you being a profetional speech breaker butit's clear that you brought too much of your own feeling into "your" translation of his letter.

[clarkusdarkus]

Agree with the op, bottom line is we spend alot of money on there products, videogame or not its the fact we were lied too and have a damn right to pick through there PR shenanigans, i for one am thankfull for the guy in the OP as i havent a clue about any of that stuff. hold the line

[Evil_medved]

Agreed.

[dreman9999]

...Wow..This topic makes me sad. no one understands.

[slyguy07]

Bump!

[Drinkalot]

Ok, first things first. Rob, can't argue about your OP, obviously you know a great deal about analyzing speeches, however I still think Ray is trying to walk on the line here, not taking sides, because obviously he just can't take any side and by sides I mean upset fans and writers and developers. But again the speech is pretty vague, which is a trick I guess, so that people can interpret it differently.

On a separate note, CEO's goal number one is to maximize shareholders' profit and then comes everything else. And because he is under EA, it is very likely that they decide what he is going to say, so I am not quite sure what everyone expected him to say other than what he said.

Anyways, firstly I wanted to ask you, Rob, what did you try to achieve with this analysis? I mean by posting it here? In his speech he said that Bioware will respond to issues with ending in a fair and timely manner. That's it. So, for example, if actually nothing happens or if the new DLC does not address the issues with endings, then you can say "He was lying from the beginning" and so on and so forth. So to me, this post just escalates the anger, hatred and other negative emotions in people.

Secondly, and this is to everyone, who says that BioWare, and associated people in their interviews promised that ME3 will have 16 different endings, have you never doubted their words? Have you never asked yourself that it might be just a marketing trick, since everyone wants choices in video games nowadays? Have you never asked yourself whether it can be not true, have you never said to yourself "C'mon 16 different endings? Really? Bull****..". If you never asked yourself, if you never questioned their words, then it is very naive.
Besides, may be it has been said many times now, but I want to repeat, in previous games, ME1 & ME2, choices and consequences (endings) were quite simple save council, don't save council, destroy base, don't destroy base. So in the third game it's all about whether Reapers win or loose, so what kind of wildly, vastly and extremely different endings did you expect, because you must have expected something as you are so upset? And I am not trying to mock you with these words "wildly, vastly and extremely", these are the words I read in the forums, written by people who were upset with endings.

And lastly, people get hyped, excited, and begin to expect the epicness of epic proportions, and I myself is the same. Although I try to avoid it now, as much as possible, so that in the end I am not that upset. The thing is, there are so many posts in the forum now, where people discuss, how they would've done it and what they would've wanted to be in the ending and with BioWare sort of saying that they will fix endings or address issues, people get hyped, excited again and expect certain things in the ending, which they most likely not going to see there. So what I am trying to say is, do not expect much.

[KroganShields]

Interesting.
Thank you Rob, it was a great read.

[dkear1]

OP, great write up! Clearly bioware can't seem to get over itself and its botched game ending. The employees from the top to the bottom are hurt and on the defensive. Now they have some idea of how betrayed and hurt we the fans are of the way they chose to ignore all of the promises they had made. This is the bed you guys made for yourselves and only you can get yourself out of it. We the fans of ME are waiting. What will you do?