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[bobbydarko]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

bobbydarko wrote...

I think theres a little too much reading into his words. In fact, his words dont even really matter.

He responded, and his response wasn't "No, we have no plans to change anything" Which it easily could have been.

The fact that he responded speaks louder than anything he actually said. He (and thus they) are listening.

It's hard to actually gain anything from what he is saying though, he is a master at saying something yet implying nothing. 

well he definitly says somethings coming in april. If nothing else, we can hold him to that.

...God help him if its the omega DLC...

[humes spork]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Exactly, I could have said more but at this point it's just hate speak.

I pointed out the basics and left it at that. 

Yeah, with my training and background my instinct is (rhetorically and not literally obviously, not that it should need be said) starting by going after both jugular and carotid in one swipe, haha.

[Billabong2011]

I myself tend to be more intuitive than logic-based, and the moment I read his statement, the vibes I got were negative. I could deconstruct it myself, but you, sir, have done a marvelous job and therefore I see no need

Modifié par Billabong2011, 22 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[Bluefuse]

The whole purpose of running a business is to serve the community. By serving the community, the money comes automatically. Just serve us what we're asking for!

[8666737]

The direct quote: "Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story"

That is a complete joke and lie, how they can sit there watch the same exact ending and say my character had ANY input on the ending is a complete and total lie.

They were trying to kill the IPO to move to the next thing or they just designed themselves into a corner and they had no idea how to get out.

If they make me pay for this i'm done, completely done with this company.

[Reptilian Rob]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

When the outcry is this loud, it's hard to believe he wouldn't be using every source of information he had to correct this mistake. 

You are not a source. You are one of hundreds, if not thousands, of consumers, posting on a forum in which the topics are being pushed back pages by the minute.

A CEO runs a company full time.


While your ego is healthy, your self-importance is less than your actual importance or relevance on this forum. The closest you'll get is that he has employees who have employees who, down the chain, might put one of your ideas (the ones not repeated by X-teen dozen other people earlier) on a memo that might go up to his subordinates.

Although, things have proven me wrong before. 

I'm sure it amazes everyone around you.

There are plenty of CEOs out there who actually adapt and listen to those thousands of people everyday, no matter how long it takes, and they are much larger than Bioware. I site Amazon as a prime example, who's CEO is always looking for better solutions based on customer feedback and email. 

And the sarcasm is something else I could deconstruct, but it's pointless to argue with someone with vastly different opinions than your own. We will have to agree to disagree. 

[Asuka Bianchini]

Nice job Rob...

Remind tho that this statement was not only directed to us (people who dislike the endings).
Ray is in a tough position where he needed an statement that would not totally unplease everyone: RetakeME3, Critics, Dev Team, everyone there talking about it being ''art''... I think he tried to cover himself from all those groups in that response.

[Psile_01]

Billabong2011 wrote...

I myself tend to be more intuitive than logic-based, and the moment I read his statement, the vibes I got were negative. I could deconstruct it myself, but you, sir, have done a marvelous job and therefore I see no need

Not a response to your post, but your sig summed up what it took me 3 paragraphs to write. I need to work on being pithy.

[Elite Midget]

Of course he wasn't geniune. If he was than he wouldn't had needed to add in many defensive comments in to try and defend his view if he had any intention of actually changing the ending. As I said, Bioware believes their ending is a work of art. They feel that it's perfect as is and are simply stumped why their fans couldn't "get" it in their eyes.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 22 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Bluefuse]

bobbydarko wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

bobbydarko wrote...

I think theres a little too much reading into his words. In fact, his words dont even really matter.

He responded, and his response wasn't "No, we have no plans to change anything" Which it easily could have been.

The fact that he responded speaks louder than anything he actually said. He (and thus they) are listening.

It's hard to actually gain anything from what he is saying though, he is a master at saying something yet implying nothing. 

well he definitly says somethings coming in april. If nothing else, we can hold him to that.

...God help him if its the omega DLC...

My guess is that they'll release their first DLC without advertising or announcing it prior. That way, they catch the fans off guard so that they don't organize not buying it so that individual people buy it out of interest.

[JerkyJohnny14]

Earned my last ME3 achievement today. All the other ME games achievements have been earned. Bioware, at this point nothing short of a "we are sorry for our mess up, here is the fixed ending DLC for free" will keep me as a fan/consumer. I am done with bioware.

[fyresage]

If you've been following the PR nightmare, then this is exactly what should be expected. Look like you're promising something but be vague about it and keep your back-tracking options open. As far as artistic integrity...yeah. They pretty much *have* to claim the ending, because if they don't they're admitting to releasing unfinished products.

[Reptilian Rob]

humes spork wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Exactly, I could have said more but at this point it's just hate speak.

I pointed out the basics and left it at that. 

Yeah, with my training and background my instinct is (rhetorically and not literally obviously, not that it should need be said) starting by going after both jugular and carotid in one swipe, haha.

I envy you, I wish I could come out swinging like that!

I was always taught to be scholarly about it...

[NitrAce]

LePetitRobo wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Tranceptor wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I've probably said it enough what my career is, so I'll leave it out of this thread.

. . . . but I have no idea what your career is or why it's relevant.

Science Fiction Literature graduate who is a freelancer storyboard concept writer. Graduated from UCSD (still attending! Go Trittons!)

For a literature graduate and freelance writer, you need to work on your spelling (or typing!). Just saying.

Literature major =/= English major. They are different. Literature writers have proof-readers and editors for a reason. They are the creative aspect of a work and the english majors are the ones polishing that creative part. 

So learn your majors before proceeding to ad hominems to put down his entire post. Just saying. 

[GoblinSapper]

Reptilian Rob wrote...
*SNIP*

You know I can't help but wonder if Bioware anticipated that their fanbase was made up of the equivilant of the Political A-Team. atghunter the former PR Damage Control Rep, Reptilian Rob the Speech Analyst...

[zigamortis]

Coder4Hire wrote...

At this point I've given up.

I'm just waiting to see how many people blindly buy dlc when it comes out, after swearing it off

I know i for one will not be buying dlc until the ending is adressed in a free manner. so if they release the ending free i will buy the next dlc. if not then ill just watch them on the interwebs.

[Billabong2011]

YeGodz wrote...

And now we move on to my personal favorite part of the post-release temper tantrum, wherein we carefully scrutinize every bioware statement for hidden messages.

Much more entertaining than empty threats of boycotts, I'll give you that.

Honestly, a drag queen in only a tutu running down Bourbon Street with beads all around his d*** is more subtle than Ray's statement and its intent to any person with at least a little insight into psychology.

[goose2989]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

My friend you can bet your wallet that this was written with multiple lawyers filling out most of it. Nicely done by the way. Erik Kain did a great job over at Forbes to. His conclusion is Bioware just threw more fuel on the fire and he's not happy about it. Bad business decision.

His statement did little more than start a firestorm.

If not now, soon. 

Sad, but likely. However, one thing we can take away from this: the fact that Bioware's own co-founder and GM had to personally address fans... that means something. I know it is far from a victory, but I'll take what little hope I can get. 

Thanks for the analysis OP, and we hope to hear more from you soon!

[Marinemike69]

I'm so #%**+>|£.¥>^*!>>*}#\\• with This Ray schumck. You've just sealded ur fate bioware. I'm done buying your games. Great job insulating ur paying customers. Keep ur "art".

[beyzend]

Interesting. For a public relation detour check out The Century of the Self.

http://video.google....657690296627941

http://en.wikipedia....ury_of_the_Self
http://en.wikipedia..../Edward_Bernays

[Reptilian Rob]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
*SNIP*

You know I can't help but wonder if Bioware anticipated that their fanbase was made up of the equivilant of the Political A-Team. atghunter the former PR Damage Control Rep, Reptilian Rob the Speech Analyst...

"Pack the car, we're leaving in five! LOAD UP GENTLEMEN!"

[ABCoLD]

I knew I was being insulted and disregarded. It's interesting to see someone pull it apart.

What I think is more interesting is that he probably didn't mean that when he wrote it. I'm sure he intended to create a warm and open letter, and just didn't.

I really wish they'd let Jess write statements and not censor her. She's nice and SMART. So she knows how to write to placate. I like being placated.

[Dean_the_Young]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

There are plenty of CEOs out there who actually adapt and listen to those thousands of people everyday, no matter how long it takes, and they are much larger than Bioware. I site Amazon as a prime example, who's CEO is always looking for better solutions based on customer feedback and email.

Do you know who reads the email?

Not the person with the six-figure salary.


The people who read through the forums are the community managers like Jessica, Chris, or Stanley. Their job is to interface with the community. They and people like them synthesize points the occur across the forum, not engage in debates with people. They send those synthesized points up to the next level, where at meetings they compare their finds with eachother and other sources. Then THAT produces a list which goes to the next meeting, and the next-

Top-Level managers are just that: managers. Their job is managing the work of other people. The higher up you go, the further removed from the lowest common denominators (users like you or I) they get.

And the sarcasm is something else I could deconstruct, but it's pointless to argue with someone with vastly different opinions than your own. We will have to agree to disagree. 

Can we agree that you're exhibiting a laughable lack of understanding about how corporations actually work?

[Savber100]

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Honestly I amazed that Bioware doesn't just give up with EVERYONE over-analyzing EVERYTHING that is said.

How the hell do you want these guys to respond?

[humes spork]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I envy you, I wish I could come out swinging like that!

I was always taught to be scholarly about it...

Hey, nothing says you can't be scholarly and a gentlemen and not launch a haymaker straight to the daddybag with practically every sentence. Hell, Hitch made a career out of that.