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[Adanu]

I came into this thread for a laugh.

What I got was insanity.

[Reptilian Rob]

piemanz wrote...

razen34 wrote...

Great breakdown, hopefully they will soon see they are just shooting themselves in the foot, attacking your "loyal fan base" is not a productive marketing strategy.

Ahh yes, the loyal fanbase who've taken part in review bombing, insulting the dev's, and the threatened to boycott all Bioware products. Amongst other things.

We have dismissed that claim.

That's what you get for lying about a product boys and girls. 

PR 101.

[Billabong2011]

Vaktathi wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

J717 wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

This community is beginning to get embarrassing, now. No offence, OP, but you come off as a poor man's version of the other PR guy, which you likely are. I didn't listen to the other guy, and I'm definitely not going to listen to you.

I've heard enough from the creator's themselves to make my own decision. Spreading negativity through poorly de-constructed blog posts will help nobody.

Until I see you put up a valid argument I'll have to pass on your judgement. 

Sorry, but I'm taking the word of Dr. Muzyka. He's given me many years of great entertainment, and told us they are fixing this game. You're just a guy trying to get people to notice him by drumming up controversy.

What controversy? 

All the OP did was take a publicly available statement by Ray and dissect it. Anyone can do that....if you think that's "controversy," you're being completely ignorant.

Also, for someone that seems so defensive about the ending and carefree about the game, what exactly are you doing trolling threads that you don't agree with? That is the ultimate sign of someone just "drumming up attention." You're not fooling anyone.

I'll tell you what; let's pick apart your statement then, shall we?

1) "Dissect it"
No, he took the choice parts he read as being negative and spun them that way. I read no negativity in the post when it was first released. All I read was the musings of a guy that has been put in a very awkward position of addressing his fans, staving off negative media and morally supporting his team all at once. My verdict: Paranoia.

2) "Ignorant"
Shall we go and look up ignorant in a dictionary?

 Adjective:Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. 

Now, I don't like the fact that you're accusing me of being ignorant toward the true meaning of controversy. I will entertain you anyway, though, as "Anyone can do that".  First of all, he is drumming up unneeded controversy, whether you like it or not. The OP knows the post is fresh off the press, and that tensions are running high. At this point it is incredibly easy to shove some generic "dissection" up on the board, claim Bioware hates you, and watch as the warm, real life fuzzies start rolling in, as everybody praises you for being so "intellectual". That is exactly what this post is doing. I'm sure that if there were a major problem with this, atghunter would have said something about all of this by now, as he has undoubtedly seen it already. Even so, I don't really believe atghunter, either. Muzyka is a very friendly person in real life, and he has a genuine passion for videogames, that much I know from meeting him at events. Anyway, I've sidetracked here. My point is, I'm stupid, nor ignorant to controversy. I write for a living. I'm more than used to the subject.

3) "for someone that seems so defensive "... "what exactly are you doing trolling threads that you don't agree with".

Defensive: Oh boy, now it gets fun! First, I will tackle "defensive". Not once did I defend the game in my original statement. I defended Ray's statement, as I feel this was a pointless thread, intended only to drum up more hate in a situation where more isn't needed. Ray addressed our concerns directly, told us we're definitely get soem kind of change, and backed the game that his friends have worked hard on. He's not going to sit and bash it because some child on a forum didn't agree with the last ten minutes. His friends worked very hard to get this to us, and by bringing up all of those scores, he's positively reinforcing them. You can't stop and expect the world to fall to its knees as soon as you form a differing opinion to somebody.

Trolling: There's that word again, I don't think anybody in here knows what it means. To "troll" is to intentionally rile somebody up for the purposes of their own amusement. It does not mean "Oh hey, he's in here with us, not agreeing with our opinion! This must mean that he's intentionally trying to anger us in some way!" This is not the case. If I was going to legitamately troll you, then I wouldn't respond with a boring, single paragraph, denouncement of a silly blog interpretation. Furthermore, using your meaning of the word, you're trolling Bioware by sitting in their forums and disagreeing with their product. "Oh look, we've been told a million times that we made a bad ending decision, but here comes the tool brigade, again, to remind us! I'm sure they're going to starting holding that line of theirs again, soon!" 

The world "troll" in these situations always tickles my funny bone. Its meaning is now, essnetially, "We've formed a circlejerk in here, and if you come and break us out of it buy bringing up rational thought, then you're obviously trolling us!" No, we're not. We're trying to drag you back down to reality, because all of your heads are stuck so far up the damn clouds that people can take pictures of you from their plane window. Never have I seen this much ignorance of how the real world works. People wanting **** for free, bitcing about interactive entertanment. I could understand if you're water had been shut off, or you cable was cut, but not a videogame. Also, don't give me the bull**** example of "But we paid for it and we demand it be what we were promised!" This one is infuriating. Any real adult would simply send it back, get a refund, and move on with their life. As it stands, this forums is just brimming with autosts who feel lost without their pretend partners and the fact that they didn't get a satisfactory ending to a piece of optional entertainment.

4) Last but not least: "You're not fooling anyone."

I don't even need to go into this one. This is the most basic placeholder responses ever. It almost makes me laugh. 

I'm here all night, dissecting statements. Admittedly, this wasn't a real dissection, though. Moreso an explanation of some of the points you brought up, in the context of my original intentions. I could always dissect Dr Muzyka's post myself, but my dissection wouldn't be negative, so nobody would read it. Everybody love's a good controversy!

All of the past two weeks, the board has been rife with complete and utter paranoid schizophrenics. I'm suprised some of you aren't wearing tinfoil hats. Only a paranoid schizophrenic can read this much into an innocent blog post and come out with a personal attack on the entirety of the community.

The worst part is that he confirmed he was giving you what you want. It's incredibly rude to sit their villainising somebody who who has practically caved to the demands of his rabid, whining, butthurt fanbase. One so bad that they simply can't grasp the concept of returning a product they aren't satisfied with. They are left in shock and awe that a company filled with humans can be capable of human errors, expecially errors in judegement, as is the case with the ending.

Are we done here?

Methinks you revealed more about your own perceptions and mindset here than anyone else's 

^THIS.

[SmokePants]

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

There is no mutual exclusivity between saying they care about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. None at all.

It is the height of righteous indignation to expect them to just totally concede to every stupid point that has been hurled at them. These are smart, talented, creative, hard-working people with feelings and pride. You can't just bludgeon them into accepting your truth. You want them to see things from your point of view, without making any effort to see it from theirs.

You're horrible.

Hey, BioWare. Do yourselves a favor and stop trying to make people like you. You're creating entitled monsters who think they own you. You aren't cultivating brand loyalty, because it's clear they will turn on you like rabid dogs. Do the smart thing and keep them at arms length, so they can't grab you, tie you to the bed, and smash your legs with a mallet.

I've grown weary of being infuriated on your behalf. I know you're Canadians, but some time you've got to stand up and decide enough is enough.

Modifié par SmokePants, 22 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Tyrzun]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is it telling that Forbes said the exact same thing I did, pretty much letter for letter?

Maybe I'm on to something here?

I posted the whole thing

Erik Kain is as close to EXPERT as you can get on corporate "talk".

[Dreogan]

Um, head guy in the studio just said something. He could've made a quacking noise in response to fan feedback, and that still would've said a hell of a lot about how seriously Bioware is taking this.

The very fact that this letter exists tells me they're scrambling. Don't go into conspiracy mode just yet, see what they're planning in April. Sit back, relax a little, make some pancakes (my favorite recipe) and things may or may not work out. Hysterically splitting hairs over intent allows them to reframe the debate any way they like.

Modifié par Dreogan, 22 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[devSin]

As I posted somewhere earlier, delineating and differentiating the criticism was a huge tell that this may not have really been directed at the "fans". I'm not sure who he's speaking to or exactly what he's intending to convey, but I don't think he's doing it to reassure us.

Perhaps the intent is to see if he can stuff enough of the reaction into the "destructive" column so that it can be dismissed entirely and they can go back to business-as-usual, or perhaps he's simply trying to downplay the extent of the reaction to whichever audience this is being targeted at?

All in all, I'm not sure it says anything to the issue at hand, other than that they continue to listen (whether we're actually being heard or not is far more difficult to discern) and discuss options, which we already knew.

I look forward to seeing what it is they plan to explore come April.

Modifié par devSin, 22 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[silvrdark]

I'll say this one more time... we have to self-regulate here.  This is not helping us.

If you:

a) Are feeling betrayed by Bioware and skeptical about the DR's post and doubt it's sincerity

- Further the cause by continuing to point out the flaws in the ending, and talk about what you want for better endings.

Believe the Dr is in an akward position and that the statement was vauge by necessity

-- Further the cause by continuing to point out the flaws in the ending, and talk about what you want for better endings.

Above all, be insistent, but civil.  Stay focused on what is important and Hold the Line.

Edit: fixed typo

Modifié par silvrdark, 22 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Reptilian Rob]

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

There is no mutual exclusivity between saying they care about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. None at all.

It is the height of righteous indignation to expect them to just totally concede to every stupid point that has been hurled at them. These are smart, talented, creative, hard-working people with feelings and pride. You can't just bludgeon them into accepting your truth. You want them to see things from your point of view, without making any effort to see it from theirs.

You're horrible.

Hey, BioWare. Do yourselves a favor and stop trying to make people like you. You're creating entitled monsters who think they own you. You aren't cultivating brand loyalty, because it's clear they will turn on you like rabid dogs. Do the smart thing and keep them at arms length, so they can't grab you, tie you to the bed, and smash your legs with a mallet.

I've grown weary of being infuriated on your behalf. I know you're Canadians, but some time you've got to stand up and decide enough is enough.

I take it you're ok being lied to then?

I can't believe people are falling for this!

[Blackmind1]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The last part is the most telling to me. Where asks us to tell people it was good overall. The message is not subtle there. He's worried about sales tanking.

Of course he is! He's put a lot of ****ing money into the game, and a small portion of the fanbase is on a mission to completely ruin it. And yes, it is a small portion. The Facebook group being the biggest representative of size, and that sits at around 70,000 likes. That's 70,000 out 3,000,000! Statistically speaking, that's just over 5%. Normally, any other company in the industry would blow you off and ignore you, yet you're all being paid attention to aggressively, and one of the community workers was even having to block people for personal attacks. Not only that, but you're completely ripping into the work of a man who adored the world he had created, all for 10 minutes of gameplay.

You may very well be one of the worst fanbases in videogaming. You just can't grasp the concepts of how a business is run. You're very, very lucky you're talking to a company who care's about their fanbase. If this were EA directly, or Activision, or Ubisoft, you'd have been sweeped under the rug as a statisticaly minority, which is what you are.

[Vhalkyrie]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The last part is the most telling to me. Where asks us to tell people it was good overall. The message is not subtle there. He's worried about sales tanking.

As said before, it's clear he is scared and it shows. 

There is a precedence for this.  DA:2.  Many of us said we didn't like certain aspects of it, and we were marginalized as the so called minority.  Sales dropped like a rock and never recovered.  They recently announced cancelling the expansion pack due to lack of interest.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 22 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[Myz-sama]

KRAETZNER wrote...

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”

The community has every right to be angry.

Anyone reading the above should understand why it's not about whether or not the indoctrination theory is the truth.

I mean yeah, our Shep is indoctrinated? Well good for him! But what happened to other thousand things I wanted to know about? I didn't -just- want to know that my favourite colour is now Red and that all my friends went on a vacation without me....oh yeah and apparently I became a Legend but no one really knows the details as to why Talk about the worst Legend I ever heard lol.

[savionen]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The last part is the most telling to me. Where asks us to tell people it was good overall. The message is not subtle there. He's worried about sales tanking.

Of course he is! He's put a lot of ****ing money into the game, and a small portion of the fanbase is on a mission to completely ruin it. And yes, it is a small portion. The Facebook group being the biggest representative of size, and that sits at around 70,000 likes. That's 70,000 out 3,000,000! Statistically speaking, that's just over 5%. Normally, any other company in the industry would blow you off and ignore you, yet you're all being paid attention to aggressively, and one of the community workers was even having to block people for personal attacks. Not only that, but you're completely ripping into the work of a man who adored the world he had created, all for 10 minutes of gameplay.

You may very well be one of the worst fanbases in videogaming. You just can't grasp the concepts of how a business is run. You're very, very lucky you're talking to a company who care's about their fanbase. If this were EA directly, or Activision, or Ubisoft, you'd have been sweeped under the rug as a statisticaly minority, which is what you are.

More than 5% of people dislike/hate the ending. That should be pretty obvious.

[Reptilian Rob]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The last part is the most telling to me. Where asks us to tell people it was good overall. The message is not subtle there. He's worried about sales tanking.

You may very well be one of the worst fanbases in videogaming. You just can't grasp the concepts of how a business is run. You're very, very lucky you're talking to a company who care's about their fanbase. If this were EA directly, or Activision, or Ubisoft, you'd have been sweeped under the rug as a statisticaly minority, which is what you are.

MFW $80,000 for Child's Play.

MY GOD WE'RE MONSTERS!

[Tyrzun]

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

There is no mutual exclusivity between saying they care about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. Nothing at all.

It is the height of righteous indignation to expect them to just totally concede to every stupid point that has been hurled at them. These are smart, talented, creative, hard-working people with feelings and pride. You can't just bludgeon them into accepting your truth. You want them to see things from your point of view, without making any effort to see it from theirs.

You're horrible.

Hey, BioWare. Do yourselves a favor and stop trying to make people like you. You're creating entitled monsters who think they own you. You aren't cultivating brand loyalty, because it's clear they will turn on you like rabid dogs. Do the smart thing and keep them at arms length, so they can't grab you, tie you to the bed, and smash your legs with a mallet.

I've grown weary of being infuriated on your behalf. I know you're Canadians, but some time you've got to stand up and decide enough is enough.

Entitled? 

You have no idea of what you are talking about obviously guy as most of you defenders don't.

They false advertised and mislead people!  Is that not horrible?  That's ok?  Putting a CD player in the Blu-Ray player box is ok?  That's what they did.  While you sit there and personally insult people with your name calling?

Here ya go.  Now you can see what fans were promised.


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

^
We were not givin that.  They said we were getting it and took our money and then didn't deliver.

You would be furious if you bought a Blu-Ray player from the store, took it home, and found out it's a CD player.  It said Blu-Ray player on the box and the sales person said it's a Blu-Ray player.  You go up to the store to complain.  Then this person next to you called you monster for demanding your Blu-Ray players.  <----- That's you.  That's what you are doing.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 22 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[Billabong2011]

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

There is no mutual exclusivity between saying they care about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. None at all.

It is the height of righteous indignation to expect them to just totally concede to every stupid point that has been hurled at them. These are smart, talented, creative, hard-working people with feelings and pride. You can't just bludgeon them into accepting your truth. You want them to see things from your point of view, without making any effort to see it from theirs.

You're horrible.

Hey, BioWare. Do yourselves a favor and stop trying to make people like you. You're creating entitled monsters who think they own you. You aren't cultivating brand loyalty, because it's clear they will turn on you like rabid dogs. Do the smart thing and keep them at arms length, so they can't grab you, tie you to the bed, and smash your legs with a mallet.

I've grown weary of being infuriated on your behalf. I know you're Canadians, but some time you've got to stand up and decide enough is enough.

WOWWWWW. You don't even.... ha.
There is nothing wrong with caring about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. That's one of the most humble conceptual ideals a company could portray - integrity and public service - and I would appreciate it from any corporation.
What I do not appreciate from the statement is the villification of the fans who oppose the ending. Say what you will, maybe it does not read that way to you, but to me it is clear in his language that he is reacting in a defensive manner suggestive of the fact that Bioware does not, in fact, appreciate its fans' constructive criticism (excluding the inevitable destructive criticism) and is only willing to placate the firestorm of rage so they may continue in patting themselves on the back.

[Tyrzun]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

There is no mutual exclusivity between saying they care about fan feedback and also being proud of ME3. None at all.

It is the height of righteous indignation to expect them to just totally concede to every stupid point that has been hurled at them. These are smart, talented, creative, hard-working people with feelings and pride. You can't just bludgeon them into accepting your truth. You want them to see things from your point of view, without making any effort to see it from theirs.

You're horrible.

Hey, BioWare. Do yourselves a favor and stop trying to make people like you. You're creating entitled monsters who think they own you. You aren't cultivating brand loyalty, because it's clear they will turn on you like rabid dogs. Do the smart thing and keep them at arms length, so they can't grab you, tie you to the bed, and smash your legs with a mallet.

I've grown weary of being infuriated on your behalf. I know you're Canadians, but some time you've got to stand up and decide enough is enough.

I take it you're ok being lied to then?

I can't believe people are falling for this!

My guess is they have no clue about the false advertising.  I just clued em in.  I'm cetaint they won't apologize for calling peopel names or admit we have a legit point.  Heck they are defeniding Bioware not admiting what they did is wrong, why would they act any different?

[N-Seven]

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

Soulless abominations?  That's a bit far.  Jackasses at most.

[Vhalkyrie]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The last part is the most telling to me. Where asks us to tell people it was good overall. The message is not subtle there. He's worried about sales tanking.

Of course he is! He's put a lot of ****ing money into the game, and a small portion of the fanbase is on a mission to completely ruin it. And yes, it is a small portion. The Facebook group being the biggest representative of size, and that sits at around 70,000 likes. That's 70,000 out 3,000,000! Statistically speaking, that's just over 5%. Normally, any other company in the industry would blow you off and ignore you, yet you're all being paid attention to aggressively, and one of the community workers was even having to block people for personal attacks. Not only that, but you're completely ripping into the work of a man who adored the world he had created, all for 10 minutes of gameplay.

You may very well be one of the worst fanbases in videogaming. You just can't grasp the concepts of how a business is run. You're very, very lucky you're talking to a company who care's about their fanbase. If this were EA directly, or Activision, or Ubisoft, you'd have been sweeped under the rug as a statisticaly minority, which is what you are.

Your ad populum argument is uncorroborated.  If I don't like something I'm going to say so.  Bethesda did not ignore their fans when they said they didn't like the ending to Fallout 3.  Except in Todd Howard's case, he didn't try to cover it up.  He flat out said they screwed up, they'll fix it.  That is how you own up as a creative director.

[Pericles Redstorm]

Watch and learn, we are allowed to question BioWare/EA and demand a better game.

http://www.youtube.c...p-eggD1Q#t=649s

[Tyrzun]

N-Seven wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

You people are monsters. Soulless abominations.

Soulless abominations?  That's a bit far.  Jackasses at most.

I'm telling you right now that Bioware is a big company and everyone knows what's going on.  It is my guess that people that know Bioware employees are a portion of these defenders.  Hence this kind of behavior.  Extreme Bias and personal attacks.

[devSin]

Bickering is a waste of time, y'all.

[Dean_the_Young]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is it telling that Forbes said the exact same thing I did, pretty much letter for letter?

Maybe I'm on to something here?

Since it didn't, no. Not really.

[darthnick427]

ugh...I was optimistic about this statement until I read this....now i'm just more annoyed...HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE! We will get the endings Mass Effect deserves!!