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[saxybeast418]

*Sigh* I cannot believe I am posting a topic on this subject. But this has gotten truly silly.

First of all, I want to thank Bioware for delivering such a spectacular title. The gameplay, writing, and story of this game is absolutely superb, and the fact that you had an extraordinarily short development time (compared to your other titles) makes your accomplishment all the more extraordinary.

So, thank you :-)

Now to the good stuff!

Despite my love for this game (or perhaps, because of it) the ending simply is not up to the standards of a Bioware game, when ironically the rest of the game raises that already high bar another few notches. It's not difficult to imagine the crunch time that resulted in the endings' problems.

*HOWEVER!!!* It isn't a bad ending, it isn't awful, nor is it fundamentally broken.

It is simply incomplete. Unpolished. Unfinished.

And that is the crux of this whole controversy, something that the raging community is not articulating particularly well. At all.

I will cry if any "fanon" becomes canon. There is a reason why my money went to Bioware, and not to some random schmuck on the internet: the people at Bioware are bloody good at what they do.

So to all of the folks at Bioware and EA, please resist the call to give the fans what they (or we, I suppose) say that they want. Just ask George Lucas how that particular gambit turned out: despite adding Boba Fett, storm troopers, and Yoda with a lightsaber, Episode II ended up being so much worse than Episode I.

To the fans: you are not helping right now. Yes, you have every right to express displeasure and dissatisfaction with the ending. However, you have no right to make any creative or artistic demands of the Mass Effect team. Do you honestly believe that holding the company at gunpoint will spur the creativity necessary to make the meaningful ending that the series deserves?

So please, give Bioware a break. I can only imagine that the entire team is exhausted and drained in the herculean effort it must have taken to finish this bloody thing. Let them rest, let them have a chance to give themselves a well deserved pat on the back.

Give them the benifit of the doubt. They know where we stand, and I think that given some time and space, they will be able to finish their creation, on their own terms.

And we will all be better off for it.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

We just want the game we paid for to be the same as the game they said/promised it would be, up to and including the first week of release.

[Hunter of Legends]

If a majority of fans want different endings they should get them.

They were after all promised VARIED endings.

[Canned Bullets]

Most likely we'll just get DLC that provides closure and a way for starships to travel without the relays.

[Talthanar]

The ending(s) are horrid. At the least imo there should be 3 endings that are completely different in presentation: Good ending where most/everyone survives. Middle ending where something bad happens but life goes on. Bad ending where life doesn't go on.

Also having some closure as to what happens with the team wouldn't hurt either. In every Bioware game to date less ME2, Dragon Age 2...well since the EA acquisition we had some idea as to what happened generally via text. Some of these endings were almost superior in story than the game itself (go look up Keldorn's ending from Baldur's Gate 2 for my point).

[saxybeast418]

Oh, for the love of...

Listen, and listen well. We *got* the game that we were "promised." Just because there was an execution problem with the end does not invalidate the rest of the experience. Heck, Fallout 3's Broken Steel expansion proves that a team can revisit a problematic ending and blow everyone's minds in doing so!

The mythical game that you feel entitled to only exists in your unreasonably high expectations.

Indignant demands are not going to get you what you want. You say you want choices? You say you want meaningful outcomes, consequences that reflect your mark on the world that was crafted? Take a deep breath, step back, and give Bioware a chance to do that at which they excel.

[HenchxNarf]

I agree OP.

And giving them what they want will make them think they can change any game they want because they whine complain threaten loud enough.

You may not like the endings but you dont have the right to change them.

[Haristo]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Most likely we'll just get DLC that provides closure and a way for starships to travel without the relays.

all I want is :

* Cinematics showing me that some choices mattered during the final climax.
* More explanations and exposition in long dialogues.
* All three choices more differents.

I know it won't happen but I'd also like written conclusions/epilogue for all your remaining companions during all three games, like in Dragon Age Origins and Jade Empire.

[Lunatic LK47]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

If a majority of fans want different endings they should get them.

They were after all promised VARIED endings.

This. I did not spend triple digit hours for all of my playthroughs 100%ing everything to GET THE SAME DAMN ENDING.

[Hunter of Legends]

saxybeast418 wrote...

Oh, for the love of...

Listen, and listen well. We *got* the game that we were "promised".

No, not the fans did not.

Promises of varied endings and closure were not delivered at all.<_<

[BiancoAngelo7]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

If a majority of fans want different endings they should get them.

They were after all promised VARIED endings.

that's all that needed to be said. and is what everyone has been saying. This guys got it right.

[saxybeast418]

corpselover wrote...

No, you don't really speak for anyone but yourself. Others may agree with you, but you are making massive assumptions about the opinions of an entire community. Personally, I want them to change the ending. The one that is in there right now is repulsive and terrible (though this really is not the place to argue that). I really want no part of the current ending.

The argument that we have no right to make artistic demands of Bioware isn't founded in reality either. ME3 is commercial art, and it is no way immutable and immune to fan criticism and input. Movies can have changes forced on the director from the studio (and consumers through test screenings). Musicians can have changes forced upon them by their label. And games can have changes forced on them too. They are not special in that sense.

I am not making any assumptions about any community, nor am I speaking on anyone's behalf. I am simply citing an older-than-dirt trope of human nature: what we *think* we want and what will actually make us happy are often two very, very different things.

Let me ask you: if Bioware let any fan write and implement any ending that they desire, would that be satisfying? Would that feel "real?"

Look, personally, I'm totally for Bioware finishing their game. I just seriously doubt the community's assertions that it knows how to make games better than Bioware does.

[Lunatic LK47]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

saxybeast418 wrote...

Oh, for the love of...

Listen, and listen well. We *got* the game that we were "promised".

No, not the fans did not.

Promises of varied endings and closure were not delivered at all.<_<

Quoted For Mother****ing truth.

[Ihatebadgames]

Where we can still get the BW best ending without multiplayer.Oh and the real Good,Bad and Ugly endings.

[Rockworm503]

saxybeast418 wrote...

Oh, for the love of...

Listen, and listen well. We *got* the game that we were "promised." Just because there was an execution problem with the end does not invalidate the rest of the experience. Heck, Fallout 3's Broken Steel expansion proves that a team can revisit a problematic ending and blow everyone's minds in doing so!

The mythical game that you feel entitled to only exists in your unreasonably high expectations.

Indignant demands are not going to get you what you want. You say you want choices? You say you want meaningful outcomes, consequences that reflect your mark on the world that was crafted? Take a deep breath, step back, and give Bioware a chance to do that at which they excel.

Sure we got exactly what we promised.
Because Bioware specifically told us that we were going to get an ending that had the same effect no matter what you did throughout the series.   I wonder if people even pay attention to themselves.  They have to deliver before they can say they delivered.  You're talking about Fallout 3's end game DLC like Bioware has already done it too.
They haven't.
I'm tired of people using the word entitled and demands.  These words have lost all meaning.
I'm entitled for wanting what I payed for?
I'm demanding because I feel lied to?

[ncknck]

OP what are you talking about, the vocal minority doesnt want any story or closure or sense. It only wants for Shepard to save the galaxy and produce a lot of babies with his love interest. Like in every other brainless Hollywood action movie. Some people are.. not that successful in life and need ME3 to get a "fix", not story.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I approve of this OP

[HenchxNarf]

ncknck wrote...

OP what are you talking about, the vocal minority doesnt want any story or closure or sense. It only wants for Shepard to save the galaxy and produce a lot of babies with his love interest. Like in every other brainless Hollywood action movie. Some people are.. not that successful in life and need ME3 to get a "fix", not story.

I was hoping you were being sarcastic, and I was right lol

They all want a fairytale ending when its the end of the freaking world. Cause that's logical, right?

[Gibb_Shepard]

The ending is fundamentally flawed in it's very writing. It cannot ever be fixed, not truly.

[Rockworm503]

saxybeast418 wrote...

corpselover wrote...

No, you don't really speak for anyone but yourself. Others may agree with you, but you are making massive assumptions about the opinions of an entire community. Personally, I want them to change the ending. The one that is in there right now is repulsive and terrible (though this really is not the place to argue that). I really want no part of the current ending.

The argument that we have no right to make artistic demands of Bioware isn't founded in reality either. ME3 is commercial art, and it is no way immutable and immune to fan criticism and input. Movies can have changes forced on the director from the studio (and consumers through test screenings). Musicians can have changes forced upon them by their label. And games can have changes forced on them too. They are not special in that sense.

I am not making any assumptions about any community, nor am I speaking on anyone's behalf. I am simply citing an older-than-dirt trope of human nature: what we *think* we want and what will actually make us happy are often two very, very different things.

Let me ask you: if Bioware let any fan write and implement any ending that they desire, would that be satisfying? Would that feel "real?"

Look, personally, I'm totally for Bioware finishing their game. I just seriously doubt the community's assertions that it knows how to make games better than Bioware does.

Whose been saying that?
We don't want to write the endings ourself.
We simply want what they promised us.
Look we choices mattering in past Bioware games (DAO) and that didn't seem so hard for Bioware.
This isn't about us thinking we can make a better game then them.  I failed graphics design class I understand how hard it is.
We're actually saying Bioware can make better games than this.

[Rockworm503]

ncknck wrote...

OP what are you talking about, the vocal minority doesnt want any story or closure or sense. It only wants for Shepard to save the galaxy and produce a lot of babies with his love interest. Like in every other brainless Hollywood action movie. Some people are.. not that successful in life and need ME3 to get a "fix", not story.

*sigh.....
posts like these scream projecting to me.