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[turian-rebellion]

I have to agree with saxybeast418 here. The guys at Bioware have been working so hard to finish Mass Effect 3. Working overtime. Sacrificing time with family. Spending 10 hours a day on a computer, programming. Not many people could do this, espically for 1 game, but Bioware did. Fine, the ending was not as good as it could have been. Hell, it was awful. But to throw all that Bioware has done, right back into their faces, is just plain rude. So, instead of just trolling the forums, complaining as hell, YOU change the ending. You work your ass off every single day making a new ending, so you can have a complete experience of the trilogy. It's not fair to complain at Bioware, now get some manners and shut the hell up. Your being selfish. Fact.

Modifié par turian-rebellion, 22 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[saxybeast418]

turian-rebellion wrote...

I have to agree with saxybeast418 here. The guys at Bioware have been working so hard to finish Mass Effect 3. Working overtime. Sacrificing time with family. Spending 10 hours a day on a computer, programming. Not many people could do this, espically for 1 game, but Bioware did. Fine, the ending was not as good as it could have been. Hell, it was awful. But to throw all that Bioware has done, right back into their faces, is just plain rude. So, instead of just trolling the forums, complaining as hell, YOU change the ending. You work your ass off every single day making a new ending, so you can have a complete experience of the trilogy. It's not fair to complain at Bioware, now get some manners and shut the hell up. Your being selfish. Fact.

I appreciate your support and concurrence with my arguments. Having said that, I reject the argument that people who do not work in a particular field have no business criticizing works from said field. It is not the fans' responsibility to make the game, change the game, make new content, fix the games problems or bugs, or anything else. It's not our work.

I have no issues with people expressing displeasure or criticizing certain decisions. However, I posit that there is a line between offering criticism, presenting constructive feedback; and participating in a work, and hijacking creative ownership by cajoling and bullying the creator with demands and ultimatums.

Let's be critical. Let's have high standars. Let's just tone it down to a respectful, healthy level. I would like to avoid strong-arming Bioware into violating their creative sensibilities, as I doubt that such an ending would be satisfactory to anyone.

Also, sorry for the long posts, I'll try to tone it down a bit!

Edit: OCD punctuation fix

Modifié par saxybeast418, 22 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[SmellyMetal]

turian-rebellion wrote...

I have to agree with saxybeast418 here. The guys at Bioware have been working so hard to finish Mass Effect 3. Working overtime. Sacrificing time with family. Spending 10 hours a day on a computer, programming. Not many people could do this, espically for 1 game, but Bioware did. Fine, the ending was not as good as it could have been. Hell, it was awful. But to throw all that Bioware has done, right back into their faces, is just plain rude. So, instead of just trolling the forums, complaining as hell, YOU change the ending. You work your ass off every single day making a new ending, so you can have a complete experience of the trilogy. It's not fair to complain at Bioware, now get some manners and shut the hell up. Your being selfish. Fact.

Is this a joke?

We're talking about EA/Bioware here, not some random kids trying to program a video game, what you described is exactly the life of each game studio that's serious about what they do. It's the entertainment industry for you. When everybody complained about Star Wars - Episode 2, did you write stuff like "The guys at Lucasfilms have been working so hard to finish Episode 2. Working overtime. Sacrificing time with family. Spending 10 hours a day on a computer"? No? So why should it be different in EA/Bioware's case?

[Fuzrum77]

At first I wanted them to change the ending as well. But now I think it's more realistic and fair to all parties involved to not change but ADD more endings. More choices. This will please/placate a lot of hurt fans and also should have little to no impact on the fans who are happy with the current ending. It will be optional. I can't imagine anybody would turn their nose up at -more- choice. Just my take on it.

[GamerrangerX]

saxybeast418 wrote...

*Sigh* I cannot believe I am posting a topic on this subject. But this has gotten truly silly.

First of all, I want to thank Bioware for delivering such a spectacular title. The gameplay, writing, and story of this game is absolutely superb, and the fact that you had an extraordinarily short development time (compared to your other titles) makes your accomplishment all the more extraordinary.

So, thank you :-)

Now to the good stuff!

Despite my love for this game (or perhaps, because of it) the ending simply is not up to the standards of a Bioware game, when ironically the rest of the game raises that already high bar another few notches. It's not difficult to imagine the crunch time that resulted in the endings' problems.

*HOWEVER!!!* It isn't a bad ending, it isn't awful, nor is it fundamentally broken.

It is simply incomplete. Unpolished. Unfinished.

And that is the crux of this whole controversy, something that the raging community is not articulating particularly well. At all.

I will cry if any "fanon" becomes canon. There is a reason why my money went to Bioware, and not to some random schmuck on the internet: the people at Bioware are bloody good at what they do.

So to all of the folks at Bioware and EA, please resist the call to give the fans what they (or we, I suppose) say that they want. Just ask George Lucas how that particular gambit turned out: despite adding Boba Fett, storm troopers, and Yoda with a lightsaber, Episode II ended up being so much worse than Episode I.

To the fans: you are not helping right now. Yes, you have every right to express displeasure and dissatisfaction with the ending. However, you have no right to make any creative or artistic demands of the Mass Effect team. Do you honestly believe that holding the company at gunpoint will spur the creativity necessary to make the meaningful ending that the series deserves?

So please, give Bioware a break. I can only imagine that the entire team is exhausted and drained in the herculean effort it must have taken to finish this bloody thing. Let them rest, let them have a chance to give themselves a well deserved pat on the back.

Give them the benifit of the doubt. They know where we stand, and I think that given some time and space, they will be able to finish their creation, on their own terms.

And we will all be better off for it.

shut up!! Bioware need to change the ending period,Mass effect 3 gonna need help from the fan too win GOTY this years

[Montcristo]

saxybeast418 wrote...

*Sigh* I cannot believe I am posting a topic on this subject. But this has gotten truly silly.

First of all, I want to thank Bioware for delivering such a spectacular title. The gameplay, writing, and story of this game is absolutely superb, and the fact that you had an extraordinarily short development time (compared to your other titles) makes your accomplishment all the more extraordinary.

So, thank you :-)

Now to the good stuff!

Despite my love for this game (or perhaps, because of it) the ending simply is not up to the standards of a Bioware game, when ironically the rest of the game raises that already high bar another few notches. It's not difficult to imagine the crunch time that resulted in the endings' problems.

*HOWEVER!!!* It isn't a bad ending, it isn't awful, nor is it fundamentally broken.

It is simply incomplete. Unpolished. Unfinished.

And that is the crux of this whole controversy, something that the raging community is not articulating particularly well. At all.

I will cry if any "fanon" becomes canon. There is a reason why my money went to Bioware, and not to some random schmuck on the internet: the people at Bioware are bloody good at what they do.

So to all of the folks at Bioware and EA, please resist the call to give the fans what they (or we, I suppose) say that they want. Just ask George Lucas how that particular gambit turned out: despite adding Boba Fett, storm troopers, and Yoda with a lightsaber, Episode II ended up being so much worse than Episode I.

To the fans: you are not helping right now. Yes, you have every right to express displeasure and dissatisfaction with the ending. However, you have no right to make any creative or artistic demands of the Mass Effect team. Do you honestly believe that holding the company at gunpoint will spur the creativity necessary to make the meaningful ending that the series deserves?

So please, give Bioware a break. I can only imagine that the entire team is exhausted and drained in the herculean effort it must have taken to finish this bloody thing. Let them rest, let them have a chance to give themselves a well deserved pat on the back.

Give them the benifit of the doubt. They know where we stand, and I think that given some time and space, they will be able to finish their creation, on their own terms.

And we will all be better off for it.

I agree in some terms with you and in others not. First of all Mass Effect 3 is an epic game until the 10 minutes.  I say the last 10 minutes because the ending is incomplete, they don´t need to change it they just need to add it more "juice" and personaly I think Bioware already know that. ´The fans they are not all blaming Bioware or saying they suck, because that´s not true Bioware have created the best triology i ever seen in videogames history. The fans are just sad because this is not the ending this game deserves. And the fans just want to make their point and try to make the game better, because they know that Bioware is problably one of the only companies who take the gamers opinions in count. That´s a wonderful thing and that´s is what make Mass Effect word so great because is not just Bioware and EA that make the game is also us the gammers who stay hours playing try to make better decisions because we know that this will make a diference, we try hard to make better. And the final of ME3 didn´t had that and its like everything we did in last 2 games was forgotten. I belive that Bioware will ear us and give us the better solution as they allways had. 

[TheJiveDJ]

All this talk about artistic integrity is really grinding my gears. BioWare lost their right to artistic integrity when they were bought by EA. They also caved to pressure from the media during that whole "SeXbox" scandal. Artistic integrity? Right, if they had so much artistic integrity they wouldn't have caved to Faux news and made all their love scenes PG-13. That's pretty much when they threw their entire artistic license out the window for me. If media can influence the art of their game, then the fans sure as hell can.