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[Taleroth]

Recidiva wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I think it's very important to be comftorable with yourself.  And your breast having Star Treking issue.

Me, my boobs, and my very large sword are very comfortable, thank you.  Live long and prosper.

What... what kind of sword?

[Leonia]

I'm not even the typical girl who likes gushy romance stuff but dang, I'm all over Alistair. Curse you writers for hooking us! Seriously, I haven't been so excited about a video game character since maybe Squall in Final Fantasy 8 or Jin from Xenosaga 2 and 3. There's just something about him, especially with how he evolves and grows up over the game. He doesn't start off as that annoying Luke Skywalker-whinging type, but he's a bit naive and innocent at first, but by the end he is a MAN dang it, how can any girl not resist that?

[Original182]

sagevallant wrote...

1. There are real people involved in online "relationships." In fact, you can actually talk to people online these days. Unlike the celebs you idolize, who wouldn't know you from any of the hundreds of people begging for an autograph and saying how much you idolize them.

Even if there is a real person behind their internet avatar, surely you must admit it is creepy to have the internet persona as an internet boyfriend or girlfriend, or internet husband and wife.
Online relationship as in friends is ok. Online relationships as in marriage is creepy.

2. But there are actors behind the pixel-people, that's not a computer voice. More than that, it's a picture. It's art. Are you saying that a moving picture of a real person on a projection screen can be hot, and it's ok, but it's not ok for a woman painted on canvas by an artist to be hot?

It is when you want to have a relationship with the woman in the canvas, that makes it a worry. The woman is not real. Just as how in-game characters are not real.
Thank you for your example, this is what I've been trying to say all this time, but obviously people have misunderstood me.

And I'm not saying just because you put in the effort to make the romance work, that you are one of the creepy ones. I also did that to see more of the story.

I was talking about the people who take it too seriously. I don't know if they exist on this thread, but I was just giving my 2 cents.

[Null]

MBirkhofer wrote...

katramye wrote...

I've always been disturbed by what most guys seem to think women want in a man, so... this thread shows that all is right with the world, in my mind. That said, I found Alistair far more interesting playing a male character and doing the whole best friend/bromance thing than as a female character/romancing him.

What most guys seem to think women want, is pretty much right.
Alistar is a fantasy.  He's the nice, funny, good looking guy, that hangs on your every whim. He is what women instist they want, and fantasize about.
Unfortuately, in the real world.  Alistar would die alone.  As they would never give him a chance if they weren't forced to hang out with him on some epic journey.   He would be alone in the corner, while they are off dancing with the guy that bought them drinks.

What women want, what they fantasize about, is not what they actaully persue far more often then not.

I was going to post something like this, but katramye hit the nail on the head.

[Recidiva]

imported_beer wrote...

It is part of getting into character, I think.Feeling an emotional connection to the people in the game is fun when it comes to games like this. Makes you feel like you are really on an epic adventure.

I found Alistair adorable, but the person I cared most about was Wynne.  She was a mother sub. Does this mean I don't have a mother in RL, or have mom issues. No. She was just the character I'd have most liked to be my mom *in the game*.

People who like Alistair are not going to dump their RL men, or pine for him, or sacrifice themselves to dragons because they can't have him. They will vent, and cry and drool or maybe squee about what happens in the game, but it is in the spirit of the game, I think. He was a very amusing and entertaining character until the end.

It's entirely possible that people could experience a romance in a book or a movie or a game and think "That, that's what I want" if their lives aren't quite up to snuff or they feel they've compromised in their life and they want to try something else or someone else that makes their heart pound harder.  I've certainly done that.  Become inspired by some event and want more or be more, and then go after it.  I'm lucky in this case that I'm not missing anything beccause I've already been pre-empted on inspiration and my life is in great shape and that's because I work at it, so I'm not prone to fantasy when my reality is much better and better suited to me personally.

But other people are certainly capable of being total morons and letting the false emotion stand in for a real thing and then get addicted to the idea and then make insanely bad life choices.

Some people are just adoos and it only takes one tangential whack to get them going.  But that's not the game's fault, that's an individual's inability to separate reality from fiction.

[Taleroth]

Original182 wrote...

It is when you want to have a relationship with the woman in the canvas, that makes it a worry. The woman is not real. Just as how in-game characters are not real.

Morrigan is mai waifu.

There, let's see where this leads.

[Recidiva]

[quote]Taleroth wrote...

Me, my boobs, and my very large sword are very comfortable, thank you.  Live long and prosper.[/quote]
What... what kind of sword?[/quote]

Claymore is my favorite.

[Original182]

imported_beer wrote...
It is part of getting into character, I think.Feeling an emotional connection to the people in the game is fun when it comes to games like this. Makes you feel like you are really on an epic adventure.

I found Alistair adorable, but the person I cared most about was Wynne.  She was a mother sub. Does this mean I don't have a mother in RL, or have mom issues. No. She was just the character I'd have most liked to be my mom *in the game*.

Again I wasn't talking about this. I also felt mortified when I saw the scene where Isolde kill her own son. I also feel emotion pangs of guilt, sadness, etc when playing the game.

People who like Alistair are not going to dump their RL men, or pine for him, or sacrifice themselves to dragons because they can't have him. They will vent, and cry and drool or maybe squee about what happens in the game, but it is in the spirit of the game, I think. He was a very amusing and entertaining character until the end.

This is the key. I'll use a word that someone already used.
I find people OBSESSED  with virtual romances worrying. That's what I meant by "taking it too seriously". That is why in my original post I compared it to "The Wedding of ____ and ___" flowery threads on facebook.

[Kuravid]

Recidiva wrote...

The "mythical girl gamer" is a stereotype.  In fact we get tired of being told we can't be girls and we're just roleplaying one but we're really a guy in his parent's basement.

You'd think girls were unicorns the way such a fuss is made.  In reality we're out there, often choosing to roleplay males to avoid the hassle and the conversation entirely and make the whole thing seem funnier.

ESPECIALLY when trying to roleplay a female tank.  Sure, girls can be mages and clerics, that's plausible.  But anybody with a sword that big has got to be a guy.

Ventrillo has changed people's ideas somewhat, because there's lots of girls on there.  But apparently you need to flash your boobs in order to be accepted as female by some.

Oh yes, not to mention that, more often than not, most of your guild members are male, so they treat you especially nice when they find out that you really are a girl, and not just some guy running around as a blood elf because he thinks they look hot. Because I know this happens so frequently, every time I see a female avatar I pretty much just assume it's a guy until proven otherwise.

Girl gamers are kind of rare I think. More often than not I'll meet a girl who has played like, let's say, Zelda and all the Pokemon games, but that's it. Yet they still consider themselves gamers. I don't think that really counts. Women who do game and roleplay and so on are definitely less common than their male counterparts---they exist, but they're not popular.

[Null]

Taleroth wrote...

Original182 wrote...

It is when you want to have a relationship with the woman in the canvas, that makes it a worry. The woman is not real. Just as how in-game characters are not real.

Morrigan is mai waifu.

There, let's see where this leads.

Oh my.

news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10404956-71.html

[Riona45]

Original182 wrote...
This is the key. I'll use a word that someone already used.
I find people OBSESSED  with virtual romances worrying. That's what I meant by "taking it too seriously". That is why in my original post I compared it to "The Wedding of ____ and ___" flowery threads on facebook.

Oh I'm sure that's the perfect way to read someone's mind and determine if they are obsessed--by a fictional story posted on the internet.

[Taleroth]

Mueller86 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Original182 wrote...

It is when you want to have a relationship with the woman in the canvas, that makes it a worry. The woman is not real. Just as how in-game characters are not real.

Morrigan is mai waifu.

There, let's see where this leads.

Oh my.

news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10404956-71.html

Don't you judge our love!

And don't worry ladies, she's okay with me having a few forum girls on the side.

[Original182]

Kuravid wrote...
Girl gamers are kind of rare I think. More often than not I'll meet a girl who has played like, let's say, Zelda and all the Pokemon games, but that's it. Yet they still consider themselves gamers. I don't think that really counts. Women who do game and roleplay and so on are definitely less common than their male counterparts---they exist, but they're not popular.

Yes, the reason why we act incredulous when you claim to be a girl is not because we think girls cannot game and should stay in the kitchen. The reason why we act incredulous is because it is rare, and is a novelty.

I once shared my passion of games with a few girls, and although they were polite, I could tell they weren't interested. Now you're telling me, that girls actually play not just games, but games like World of Warcraft?? What the heck?!

And surely, even some of you girls have to admit that some of your girlfriends think you're weird for playing video games, thinking that it's a guy's domain. So guys aren't the only ones who have to change their attitudes.

[Kuravid]

Recidiva wrote...

My husband plays lots of female characters on the basis of "Well, if I'm going to stare at an ass all day long, at least I can make it a nice ass that I don't mind staring at."

It's as good a reason as any.

That I can understand. I like playing good looking guys more so than good looking females. And in games where there's face customization like DA and Fallout 3 or ME or something, if I fail to create a character that at least somewhat resembles me in person, I just pretty much go for playing the hot guys.

[Original182]

Riona45 wrote...

Original182 wrote...
This is the key. I'll use a word that someone already used.
I find people OBSESSED  with virtual romances worrying. That's what I meant by "taking it too seriously". That is why in my original post I compared it to "The Wedding of ____ and ___" flowery threads on facebook.

Oh I'm sure that's the perfect way to read someone's mind and determine if they are obsessed--by a fictional story posted on the internet.

But my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just chipping in my opinion. So I'll apologize if I hijacked the thread a bit, but I think it has spawn new mini-discussions not related to the title.

But that's what I'm saying, are people who are obsessed with virtual romances, worrying?

[Taleroth]

Original182 wrote...

I once shared my passion of games with a few girls, and although they were polite, I could tell they weren't interested. Now you're telling me, that girls actually play not just games, but games like World of Warcraft?? What the heck?!

MMOs are very popular with females.  They fit with the social oriented nature of younger girls and are a social outlet for even mature women.

[Eclesis]

Original182 wrote...

But that's what I'm saying, are people who are obsessed with virtual romances, worrying?

If it leaks over into real life, sure, but I don't think that is restricted only to virtual romances. I'd be more worried about those stories of Twilight fans/non-fans getting into fistfights, or the many tales of people who lose their jobs over playing too much WoW. Any obsession taken to extremes is unhealthy.

Modifié par Eclesis, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[Kuravid]

Taleroth wrote...

This avatar is a photograph. True story.

Same here. I'm quite fond of shoulder pads made out of bear fur.

[Taleroth]

Original182 wrote...

But that's what I'm saying, are people who are obsessed with virtual romances, worrying?

As long as they're not distressed, pay their bills on time, and don't hurt or upset others, what's to worry about?

[Kuravid]

Original182 wrote...

I think it's disturbing that both men and women attach themselves too deeply with fictional characters. I'm not trying to judge anyone, but it really is creepy. About as creepy as all those "The Marriage of ___ and ___" threads on facebook that I read.

I don't really get attached to fictional characters, in movies, books or video games. But what's more disturbing than the facebook stuff is the "Jate/Skate" stuff for Lost, I think. Well, maybe it's not exactly disturbing so much as it's just retarded.

[Original182]

Taleroth wrote...

Original182 wrote...

I once shared my passion of games with a few girls, and although they were polite, I could tell they weren't interested. Now you're telling me, that girls actually play not just games, but games like World of Warcraft?? What the heck?!

MMOs are very popular with females.  They fit with the social oriented nature of younger girls and are a social outlet for even mature women.

Yes but it's still a game. I would accept if there are a few girls who play WoW, because there are exceptions to every rule made. But there are quite a number of them playing it. I was brought up thinking girls don't like games, sports, action movies, etc.

So when I say "Wow you play World of Warcraft??", it was meant as a surprise, not implying "Wow you play World of Warcraft?? Ewww you're a tomboy. Girls don't game.", etc etc. Unfortunately I think most girls misunderstand and take it we mean the latter.

[Riona45]

Original182 wrote...

But my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just chipping in my opinion.

Of course you were--I didn't take it personally, as I don't even write fanfiction.  I was just commenting in a sarcastic way that I think your opinion is silly.

Modifié par Riona45, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:28 .

[ReubenLiew]

Taleroth wrote...

Original182 wrote...

I once shared my passion of games with a few girls, and although they were polite, I could tell they weren't interested. Now you're telling me, that girls actually play not just games, but games like World of Warcraft?? What the heck?!

MMOs are very popular with females.  They fit with the social oriented nature of younger girls and are a social outlet for even mature women.

Actually I seem to notice that females playing MMOs tend to fall into several categories.

1) The Socialite - They enjoy the interaction with other players.
2) The Collector - They seem to have an almost obsessive need to collect things, be these epic gear, good looking gear, gear sets, pets, what have you.
3) The Mother - She loves to raid. I mean like hardcore raiding. She will take control of the group and lead them around like a mother hen, and enjoys this thouroughly.

But it's very rare to see women enjoy the PVP side to MMOs. Might be because women do not like such open confrontation, this tend to be very male-oriented gameplay.
Which is why I guess males tend to be very surprised when they see women play RPGs, as men tend to flock to games that are very competitive where women do not appear often.

[sagevallant]

Original182 wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

1. There are real people involved in online "relationships." In fact, you can actually talk to people online these days. Unlike the celebs you idolize, who wouldn't know you from any of the hundreds of people begging for an autograph and saying how much you idolize them.

Even if there is a real person behind their internet avatar, surely you must admit it is creepy to have the internet persona as an internet boyfriend or girlfriend, or internet husband and wife.
Online relationship as in friends is ok. Online relationships as in marriage is creepy.

2. But there are actors behind the pixel-people, that's not a computer voice. More than that, it's a picture. It's art. Are you saying that a moving picture of a real person on a projection screen can be hot, and it's ok, but it's not ok for a woman painted on canvas by an artist to be hot?

It is when you want to have a relationship with the woman in the canvas, that makes it a worry. The woman is not real. Just as how in-game characters are not real.
Thank you for your example, this is what I've been trying to say all this time, but obviously people have misunderstood me.

And I'm not saying just because you put in the effort to make the romance work, that you are one of the creepy ones. I also did that to see more of the story.

I was talking about the people who take it too seriously. I don't know if they exist on this thread, but I was just giving my 2 cents.

And having a relationship with the people on the movie screen is ok?

[Original182]

ReubenLiew wrote...
Which is why I guess males tend to be very surprised when they see women play RPGs, as men tend to flock to games that are very competitive where women do not appear often.

It is as surprising as guys who love shopping, and loves Twilight.
In fact, if I were such a guy, I predict that I would have to go at lengths to prove that I am not gay.