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[XOGHunter246]

s lut

[ReubenLiew]

Ahhh Bloodlines.

The only game where playing the insane bloodline actually made you feel insane!

[RunCDFirst]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Ahhh Bloodlines.
The only game where playing the insane bloodline actually made you feel insane!

Good game. Troika, you will be missed.

[.Faine]

The true horrors of the Twilight series can be found here: http://chud.com/arti...OVIE/Page1.html



On topic: Alistair is a kind, humurous, honourable and good man. These are pretty attractive qualities. His insecurities can be overcome with a little support; he never struck me as whiny really, just honest and outspoken about his feelings on a matter... often before he'd really thought them through thus they'd sometimes seem a garbled mess.

[Kinaori]

Kuravid wrote...

I know it's a videogame, but let's say Alistair were a real person with all of the traits displayed in game. You know what you would end up with irl? A nice guy, surely enough, but also a guy who can't stand up for himself or get over his crappy childhood. The type of guy that will look to you as a surrogate parent, sucking you dry mentally and emotionally for as long as he can. Yuck.

Heh.  From personal experience, I'd say no.  Change and growth happens with someone like that because it is pretty much inevitable.  While the "hardening" bit with Alistair was a little hamhanded, it demonstrates that people *do* grow and change.  Same with this guy IRL.  No sucking me dry either, lol, that's pretty dramatic   He does have a towering sense of honor and duty, which *most* of the time is completely awesome.  He perhaps falls on his sword more than most, but he also lets crap roll off his back more than most.  Wasn't always the case, but yeah, growth and all that.

[ReubenLiew]

Too bad the game had some serious memory leaking issues, plus some quests that endless loop conversations so you can't get out of it.

Other than that was easily my favourite game of all time. Too bad my character was so terrible at fighting, but sneaking was better anyway!

[Kuravid]

Malificis wrote...

I'm a guy and i really didnt like Alistair. He constantly hides behind jokes and he is really really repressed personality wise and sexually.
but he is classically very good looking and can be funny even if it feels really fake to me (not because of voice actor, who did a great job. like most of the voice actors in DA except Anora. Especially approve of Claudia Black (Mor)/Steve Valentine (Al)/Steve Blum (Og).
he is also tough physically and not an idiot no matter what Morrigan says.
he can be a leader.

actually he has ****loads of qualities THE MAJORITY of women mostly go for.

doesnt matter if hes polygons or real, he looks and acts human enough to be treated as a human - we're not talking mario here.

Yes, the voice actor of Alistair was excellent. As for leadership qualities, it all depends on whether or not you tell him to get over his sister (an instance of poor writing, imo). But yes, he is incredibly repressed and the facade/hiding behind jokes thing can only stay cute for so long. The only qualities I can see in him that I would even remotely consider as a woman are his looks and kindness. Humor would be nice if it wasn't such a front.

[Taleroth]

Recidiva wrote...

Something about Lel and Zev both...you know...sleeping with people and killing them for a living make me...unable to trust them in game.  Again, they're too polished and the actors don't sell it as well, I guess.  It never comes through to me as a romance, more of an achievement.  And it's not FUN for me.

I thought they did well with Lelianna.  Unlike Zev, she's not really a romance until after you go through a significant bit with her.  She sells it to me.

But I can understand the position with regards to lack of trust.  She sells to me that that part of her is behind her, however, she also points out that she's a very good actor.  It becomes, at that point, a question of how much faith you can put in a fictional character.  And I like to play the idealist.

[ReubenLiew]

Kinaori wrote...

Kuravid wrote...

I know it's a videogame, but let's say Alistair were a real person with all of the traits displayed in game. You know what you would end up with irl? A nice guy, surely enough, but also a guy who can't stand up for himself or get over his crappy childhood. The type of guy that will look to you as a surrogate parent, sucking you dry mentally and emotionally for as long as he can. Yuck.

Heh.  From personal experience, I'd say no.  Change and growth happens with someone like that because it is pretty much inevitable.  While the "hardening" bit with Alistair was a little hamhanded, it demonstrates that people *do* grow and change.  Same with this guy IRL.  No sucking me dry either, lol, that's pretty dramatic   He does have a towering sense of honor and duty, which *most* of the time is completely awesome.  He perhaps falls on his sword more than most, but he also lets crap roll off his back more than most.  Wasn't always the case, but yeah, growth and all that.

I thought all women wants a man who can 'suck them dry?'

[Badpie]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

s lut

Yeah....we got it. 

[MatronAdena]

Kuravid wrote...



I think I'm one of the few girls who got annoyed with Alistair's emotional narcissism. 

Builds a little pillow fort for Kuravid, and herself, and puts a " no girly guys allowed, yes allister, that means you" sign on the enterance.

Kuravid wrote...
I know it's a videogame, but let's say Alistair were a real person with all of the traits displayed in game. You know what you would end up with irl? A nice guy, surely enough, but also a guy who can't stand up for himself or get over his crappy childhood. The type of guy that will look to you as a surrogate parent, sucking you dry mentally and emotionally for as long as he can. Yuck.

actually, all the guys I know like that have all remained single, ( most of my friends being in the late 20's to mid 40's ) or they end up getting hitched, to somone who completely dominates over them.

Now don't get me wrong, I said I have " unique appetites" by that I mean being Pan, not your typical woman...but When it comes to Males, and other women,( as I don't acknowledge a true gender difference)  I Look  for a certain confidence, and inner streangth...I don't want to have to parent my mate. I don't see that With Allister. he is great fun when he and I can take a serious moment, and turn it into a cascade of jokes...however I find that when it comes to it it takes very little to get him to roll over. I Just think he rolls over in an obsequious mannor too easily. 

[Kuravid]

Kinaori wrote...

Kuravid wrote...

I know it's a videogame, but let's say Alistair were a real person with all of the traits displayed in game. You know what you would end up with irl? A nice guy, surely enough, but also a guy who can't stand up for himself or get over his crappy childhood. The type of guy that will look to you as a surrogate parent, sucking you dry mentally and emotionally for as long as he can. Yuck.

Heh.  From personal experience, I'd say no.  Change and growth happens with someone like that because it is pretty much inevitable.  While the "hardening" bit with Alistair was a little hamhanded, it demonstrates that people *do* grow and change.  Same with this guy IRL.  No sucking me dry either, lol, that's pretty dramatic   He does have a towering sense of honor and duty, which *most* of the time is completely awesome.  He perhaps falls on his sword more than most, but he also lets crap roll off his back more than most.  Wasn't always the case, but yeah, growth and all that.

Change and growth definitely occurs with all people. The main problem is "do you want to tag along while this guy is taking his sweet time learning how to grow up?"

Also, his hissyfit in the landsmeet area. HUGE display of emotional immaturity. It's like "hmm, I can either forgive this guy who has screwed up a lot lately and give him a chance to redeem himself, or I can just listen to this ranting, emotionally overwhelmed child and kill him in front of his daughter." 

[Taleroth]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

s lut

I am not!

[Kuravid]

Recidiva wrote...

Malificis wrote...

vulnerability? why is helplessness good apart from making him easier?
in comparison to Spanish James Bond With Daggers and Assorted Leather Goods, a good sense of humour which is also REAL, massive confidence and some ambition?
suppose your opinion is more valid than mine doesnt mean i have to like it though ;s

isnt confidence GOOD in a guy?

Vulnerability isn't helplessness.  Entirely different things.

Love makes a personal vulnerable to another human being's opinion about them.  It matters.  You care more than you should.  It was an excellent portrayal of falling in love and how that becomes paramount to someone's experience of the world.

I can't stand James Bond.  Doesn't need anybody, doesn't want any input, doesn't care and will slit your throat if it suits his purpose.  He wants to be alone and I'd happily let him.  No intimacy, only him trying to be cool all the time.  Ugh.

There's no point in being bound to a person who doesn't need you.  And need is specific.  Zevran doesn't need the PC as much.  He could go or he could stay.  Alistair's life depends on you and he's counting on you to get him through.  Having someone's quivering heart put in your hands so you can safeguard it is a powerful thing.  It's not weakness, it's just the nature of truly loving someone and going all in.  Alistair's the only one who goes all in.

I cringe at the words "he needs you." 

[Recidiva]

Taleroth wrote...

I thought they did well with Lelianna.  Unlike Zev, she's not really a romance until after you go through a significant bit with her.  She sells it to me.

But I can understand the position with regards to lack of trust.  She sells to me that that part of her is behind her, however, she also points out that she's a very good actor.  It becomes, at that point, a question of how much faith you can put in a fictional character.  And I like to play the idealist.

I did go through the Leliana romance with my male dwarf.  I felt manipulated and not charmed.  It's impossible to be honest with her about anything in the Chantry or her prior life.  Her devotion to the Maker is hard to navigate and resolve with her life as an assassinating seductress.  Even her party conversation has an "eeeew" to it.  Hearing her talk to Alistair about how she killed guys in bed just makes me want to clench my knees together and wear my armor to bed.  I got through it by just being a dwarf who thought human ways were bizarre, and jollying her along, smiling and nodding.

At least Alistair is aware that the Chantry produces zealots and addicts.  It's hard for me to not make it through Lel's romance without rolling my eyes a bit and thinking "You're really not as seductive as you think you are" but that's also because...I'm a straight woman and not attracted to her looks or voice, and it gets hard even for my character to roleplay patience with her.

There was one moment I found utterly charming, and that's when she was in party with me and I clicked on her and there was this musical playful giggle and I just thought - Okay, that's adorable.  If there was more of that, and less calculation, I'd be in.

[syllogi]

Kuravid wrote...
Also, his hissyfit in the landsmeet area. HUGE display of emotional immaturity. It's like "hmm, I can either forgive this guy who has screwed up a lot lately and give him a chance to redeem himself, or I can just listen to this ranting, emotionally overwhelmed child and kill him in front of his daughter." 

UGH, there are plenty of threads for Loghain lovers, could you go to one of those with this faulty and ridiculous logic?  Loghain went waaaay beyond "screwed up a lot lately".  He's an unapologetically genocidal maniac.  Comparing his mustache-twirling, cartoonishly evil ways with Alistair's legitimate upset over taking this guy into your party is absurd.

[.Faine]

Kuravid wrote...

Kinaori wrote...

Kuravid wrote...

I know it's a videogame, but let's say Alistair were a real person with all of the traits displayed in game. You know what you would end up with irl? A nice guy, surely enough, but also a guy who can't stand up for himself or get over his crappy childhood. The type of guy that will look to you as a surrogate parent, sucking you dry mentally and emotionally for as long as he can. Yuck.

Heh.  From personal experience, I'd say no.  Change and growth happens with someone like that because it is pretty much inevitable.  While the "hardening" bit with Alistair was a little hamhanded, it demonstrates that people *do* grow and change.  Same with this guy IRL.  No sucking me dry either, lol, that's pretty dramatic   He does have a towering sense of honor and duty, which *most* of the time is completely awesome.  He perhaps falls on his sword more than most, but he also lets crap roll off his back more than most.  Wasn't always the case, but yeah, growth and all that.

Change and growth definitely occurs with all people. The main problem is "do you want to tag along while this guy is taking his sweet time learning how to grow up?"

Also, his hissyfit in the landsmeet area. HUGE display of emotional immaturity. It's like "hmm, I can either forgive this guy who has screwed up a lot lately and give him a chance to redeem himself, or I can just listen to this ranting, emotionally overwhelmed child and kill him in front of his daughter." 

Whilst I would agree that Alistair's unchanging view on this was frustrating, I think it's important to note that many human nobles who kill Howe, for example, or city elves who kill the rapists in their origin, do not see their revenge as at all childish or unjust. When looking at this from Alistair's point of view it's easy to understand why he wants Loghain dead, even if the more rational option would be to let him live. Granted, emotional out-bursts are not particularly mature but how many people would have freaked out if in the end of their game they didn't get to take their vengeance on their own personal origin enemies? To Alistiar, Loghain is a much more personal foe than he is to the PC I think. Alistair really valued Duncan and the other Grey Wardens; they were effectively his family. His desire to see Loghain dead simply made him very human to me.

[The Angry One]

.Faine wrote...

The true horrors of the Twilight series can be found here: http://chud.com/arti...OVIE/Page1.html

Good god that broke my brain.

[Recidiva]

Kuravid wrote...

I cringe at the words "he needs you." 

Why?

[.Faine]

The Angry One wrote...

.Faine wrote...

The true horrors of the Twilight series can be found here: http://chud.com/arti...OVIE/Page1.html

Good god that broke my brain.

Mine too. My head connected with my desk many times whilst reading it.

[Kuravid]

TeenZombie wrote...

Kuravid wrote...
Also, his hissyfit in the landsmeet area. HUGE display of emotional immaturity. It's like "hmm, I can either forgive this guy who has screwed up a lot lately and give him a chance to redeem himself, or I can just listen to this ranting, emotionally overwhelmed child and kill him in front of his daughter." 

UGH, there are plenty of threads for Loghain lovers, could you go to one of those with this faulty and ridiculous logic?  Loghain went waaaay beyond "screwed up a lot lately".  He's an unapologetically genocidal maniac.  Comparing his mustache-twirling, cartoonishly evil ways with Alistair's legitimate upset over taking this guy into your party is absurd.

Given the opportunity to either kill someone or allow them to redeem themselves, or even just to simply lock them up somewhere, I will definitely take the latter option (at least while playing a good character). I'm not dismissing Loghain's hideous crimes, I'm saying that, just like everyone else, he deserves a chance. I'm actually quite happy that the developers managed to incorporate compassion and reason into this game (not completely, but at least in this instance of the game).

[The Angry One]

Everyone deserves a chance? Even Hitler?



Yeah yeah screw you Godwin.

[Taleroth]

Recidiva wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I thought they did well with Lelianna.  Unlike Zev, she's not really a romance until after you go through a significant bit with her.  She sells it to me.

But I can understand the position with regards to lack of trust.  She sells to me that that part of her is behind her, however, she also points out that she's a very good actor.  It becomes, at that point, a question of how much faith you can put in a fictional character.  And I like to play the idealist.

I did go through the Leliana romance with my male dwarf.  I felt manipulated and not charmed.  It's impossible to be honest with her about anything in the Chantry or her prior life.  Her devotion to the Maker is hard to navigate and resolve with her life as an assassinating seductress.  Even her party conversation has an "eeeew" to it.  Hearing her talk to Alistair about how she killed guys in bed just makes me want to clench my knees together and wear my armor to bed.  I got through it by just being a dwarf who thought human ways were bizarre, and jollying her along, smiling and nodding.

At least Alistair is aware that the Chantry produces zealots and addicts.  It's hard for me to not make it through Lel's romance without rolling my eyes a bit and thinking "You're really not as seductive as you think you are" but that's also because...I'm a straight woman and not attracted to her looks or voice, and it gets hard even for my character to roleplay patience with her.

There was one moment I found utterly charming, and that's when she was in party with me and I clicked on her and there was this musical playful giggle and I just thought - Okay, that's adorable.  If there was more of that, and less calculation, I'd be in.

She never seemed to be too big about her Chantry life.  Her belief in the Maker independent of Chantry teachings I thought to be somewhat admirable.  Of course, this may also tend to my metagaming side, as I ALWAYS choose the answers I feel would be found most agreeable.  I simply can't help that one.  So, even if I recognize she's delusional, It gets made up by the +3 influence.  This might be why Zevran gets pervy with my character, I don't have the heart to tell him not to bother.

But I also never got the party banter about killing guys in bed.  And I did have both her and Alistair in my party the entire game for my second round.  So I missed the source of part of your impression.

Modifié par Taleroth, 30 novembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

Everyone deserves a chance? Even Hitler?

Yeah yeah screw you Godwin.

C'mon!  He shares a moustache with Charlie Chaplin!  That's got to be good for something.

[red8x]

I really did not like Alistair. He was an obedient puppy-dog. As I try to think of a reason why he has so much appeal I can only guess it's because he is a virgin and the female PC gets to be his first giving a sense of empowerment and at the same time, since he is so helpless and clueless, he invokes a motherly love. Definitely Freudian.



If the DA:O universe actually existed Alistair really wouldn't have lasted a day. The man is a fool. Ladies, move on. Bann Teagan seems like a far better catch.