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[Dor the Apt]

I read the book. I thought it was well written within the lore but a few things bothered me. The hunters dog was never listed as a mibari although it acted like the one in the game. I thought that was an oversight(lorewise) since it is such a prominent part of Ferelden history. Still thoroughly enjoyed the book. The twist with the corruption was very good. Does anyone think that the dagger might help to reverse the artificially advanced corruption?

[nisallik]

Aseya wrote...

I just read the book and I tried to look through this forum for a t
straightrowards answer - is Alistair Fiona's son?


was there any cmment from Mr Gaider to confirm or deny this?

Way to put a twist in the end

I definately have some serious question after this book but I liked it better than first

He hasn't confirmed it or denied it... but a few people think Alistair is Fiona/Maric's child and few people think that Maric has had several other children.

I personally believe Alistair is Maric/Fiona's child since Duncan seemed to know who he was and other things we have discussed for a few pages.

Modifié par nisallik, 23 novembre 2009 - 06:20 .

[nisallik]

Dor the Apt wrote...

I read the book. I thought it was well written within the lore but a few things bothered me. The hunters dog was never listed as a mibari although it acted like the one in the game. I thought that was an oversight(lorewise) since it is such a prominent part of Ferelden history. Still thoroughly enjoyed the book. The twist with the corruption was very good. Does anyone think that the dagger might help to reverse the artificially advanced corruption?

I believe David has stated that the dog was not a Mibari Warhound and was actually a wolf.  I have no clue if the dagger actually stops the eventual "Calling", but it did seem to negate the accelleration.  For all we know, Duncan probably left that dagger at Weisshaupt for research since he did tell Alistair that he feels that his "Calling" seemed to be coming soon.

Modifié par nisallik, 23 novembre 2009 - 06:21 .

[Cammy2709]

Ordered this from Amazon on Sunday, hasn't arrived today sadly but I'm really looking forward to it. I was thinking about purchasing The Stolen Throne as well, but decided against it. Maybe when i get some more spare cash I will.

[nisallik]

Cammy2709 wrote...

Ordered this from Amazon on Sunday, hasn't arrived today sadly but I'm really looking forward to it. I was thinking about purchasing The Stolen Throne as well, but decided against it. Maybe when i get some more spare cash I will.

I would recommend reading them in order as if you read the 2nd book first... you will spoil a big moment from the first book.

[ThomasRipley]

I just finished "The Stolen Throne"(yes I know I'm late but I only got the book 4 days ago) and I can only advise other people to read it. Discovering the young Loghain and king Maric was simply fascinating and really adds depth to the whole universe.



Now I'm still wondering what promise Maric made to Flemeth...

And since I've just received "The Calling" today, I hope it will be revealed .

[Sigilbeckons]

Keep in mind in regards to the Codex versus Books argument that the entry for Loghain states that he joined the rebellion while Maric's mother was alive proving an expert tactician. Which is clearly not the case considering Maric's mother was not around when Loghain met Maric.



I dont know what to think of the child at the end of the book, but one thing i have yet to find is how exactly Maric dies, and judging from age it seems at least 20 years off from the events in the game so maybe (as the end of the book suggests) the novels arent over and maybe we might just get to see more. Personally Im bummed I dont get to see Maric in the games, I mean I like Loghain (well his voice actor Simon Templeman mostly), but hes not Maric and even for being 35 in the second book up from 21 by the ending of the first, he still seems to have alot of life in him. Besides Flemmeth did say Loghain would betray him "each time" worse than the previous, and other than leaving out details about mage putting a bounty on Katriel's head, Im pretty sure Maric doesnt feel betrayed by him and Rowan bwing in love. No I believe what happens at Ostagar might have be a repeat of things before.

[SuperD-710]

nisallik wrote...

Aseya wrote...

I just read the book and I tried to look through this forum for a t
straightrowards answer - is Alistair Fiona's son?


was there any cmment from Mr Gaider to confirm or deny this?

Way to put a twist in the end

I definately have some serious question after this book but I liked it better than first

He hasn't confirmed it or denied it... but a few people think Alistair is Fiona/Maric's child and few people think that Maric has had several other children.

I personally believe Alistair is Maric/Fiona's child since Duncan seemed to know who he was and other things we have discussed for a few pages.

The codex entry on Alistair specifically says he was sent to Eamon to hide his existence from Rowen, which wouldn't make sense since Maric and Fiona's child was born after Rowen was dead. So it rules out Alistair being Fiona's son.

[ThomasRipley]

Finished "The Calling" this morning.
And damn can't Maric keep it in his pants?

I personally thought that Alistair was Fiona's son too but then after reading SuperD's comment I wondered...And after all Alistair has a sister and overall it doesn't seem to fit too well.
Makes me wonder where Fiona's son is?

Anyway the book was nice though the end(when they're captured by the mages) felt a bit rushed compared to the relatively slow pace of the rest of the book.

And as someone noted earlier The Architect is a very interesting character, I hope to see him again too(in an expansion of the game?).

@SuperD:
Unless I'm wrong it's Rowan not Rowen .

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And damn I still don't know what Maric promised to Flemeth!

Modifié par ThomasRipley, 28 novembre 2009 - 04:20 .

[StE3fS]

ThomasRipley wrote...

Finished "The Calling" this morning.
And damn can't Maric keep it in his pants?

I personally thought that Alistair was Fiona's son too but then after reading SuperD's comment I wondered...And after all Alistair has a sister and overall it doesn't seem to fit too well.
Makes me wonder where Fiona's son is?

Anyway the book was nice though the end(when they're captured by the mages) felt a bit rushed compared to the relatively slow pace of the rest of the book.

And as someone noted earlier The Architect is a very interesting character, I hope to see him again too(in an expansion of the game?).

@SuperD:
Unless I'm wrong it's Rowan not Rowen .

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And damn I still don't know what Maric promised to Flemeth!

Well, the Architect is in DA Journeys if Im not entirely mistaken.

[nisallik]

SuperD-170 wrote...

The codex entry on Alistair specifically says he was sent to Eamon to hide his existence from Rowen, which wouldn't make sense since Maric and Fiona's child was born after Rowen was dead. So it rules out Alistair being Fiona's son.

If you read through the posts on the last page, David Gaider specifically says...

David Gaider wrote...

I would point out that the codex entries are not intended to be omniscient. They are generally stories, and in the case of the character codexes are based on what that character has "told you" or what they themselves believe. It's possible you are right, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but I'd be cautious in treating the codex as gospel.

So I would assume that David Gaider is simply hinting that what Alistair knew about his past is a bit inaccurate.  I'm sure in a DLC, expansion, or new novel... we will get more indepth details.

Modifié par nisallik, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:00 .

[RavenJMH]

Umm, Is there a Kindle version of this yet? I checked Amazon.com and still no Kindle version.



Just do it..

[ThomasRipley]

There was a black out on my street and as I laid on my bed thinking back about the book I felt really bad about Genevieve, all she wanted she had to get through her brother and her death was really pathetic.



Well it woke her brother up but really, she couldn't do anything and ended up as a pile of goo...Though after all it's all thanks to her that the terrible plan of the Architect was ruined but still...



As for Alistair being Fiona's son, I'm still wondering if it's really the case even after what the author said about codex entries... Didn't his "sister" said that he ruined her mother's life? I really don't remember precisely the dialogs with her sister but she seemed quite angry at him.

Maybe his supposed mother did it as a favor for the king, hmm I dunno seems a bit far fetched.

[nisallik]

ThomasRipley wrote...


As for Alistair being Fiona's son, I'm still wondering if it's really the case even after what the author said about codex entries... Didn't his "sister" said that he ruined her mother's life? I really don't remember precisely the dialogs with her sister but she seemed quite angry at him.
Maybe his supposed mother did it as a favor for the king, hmm I dunno seems a bit far fetched.

There could of been several things that happened behind the scenes, since all we have heard is that his "supposed" mother died only a few years after Alistair's birth.  Clearly, King Maric contacted Arl Eamon to setup a nice place for Alistair to live at since he didn't want problems with Cailan or for people to know that Alistair is a son of an human/elf.

It is also hard to tell really what age that Goldanna is and what she really knows about the events.  We know she was paid to shut up about it and sent away from Red Cliffe, but she also thinks that her and her family deserves to be nobility or have some claim to some riches... maybe only because Alistair is documented as such and can get away with it (she was rather selfish). *shrug* 

[FKSSR]

I read both of the books before I started the game, and I have to say that it really enhanced my connection to the world and DA's story. I thought Stolen Throne was the better book, but both were good and definitely worth the time!

[bobsmyuncle]

Actually, during the conversation with Goldanna, she mentions that Alistair's birth killed "their" mother. It's possible that a woman at Redcliffe died in childbirth along with her newborn and Duncan or Eamon decided to use that event as cover for baby Alistair, if he really is Fiona's son. Goldanna says she was told the child died along with her mother, but Alistair believes that he is actually that child and it's not clear what the truth is. I don't think Loghain's beliefs on the matter are material (should you ask him about Alistair) because he and Maric really weren't that close by that point. If you were Maric, would you admit to Loghain you had a child with an Orlesian Grey Warden mage? The rage would be epic. Easier to say you had a tumble with a maid and hid your by-blow in a court far from Denerim.



Unless one of the writers comes right out and tells us, or it comes up in DA2 or another book, the truth is too muddled to reach any conclusions.

[bobsmyuncle]

FKSSR wrote...

I read both of the books before I started the game, and I have to say that it really enhanced my connection to the world and DA's story. I thought Stolen Throne was the better book, but both were good and definitely worth the time!

That's funny, because my experience was the exact opposite. I bought the books after I finished the game. I didn't care for the writing in TST and only read it to find out about the history of Ferelden. I thought The Calling showed technical improvement over the first book and I was more interested in the characters involved, but then my opinions had been formed by my game experience, namely that I liked Duncan and didn't like Loghain.

The downside of reading after playing the game is that I could call character deaths a mile off. Katriel? Didn't see mention of her in the game, she's a goner. I figured all the wardens in TC except Duncan were going to bite it too, although I wasn't sure about Fiona. She could have either gained plot immunity by sleeping with Maric or doomed herself to being another lost love Katriel-style.

I agree they were both worth reading, but if I had to pick only one I'd pick the Calling. It brought much more to the table in terms of world lore. TST was mostly introduction to the setting, which I didn't need by the time I read it.

[damirko]

I must say that I liked The Stolen Throne a bit more then The Calling.
It had more of A Song of Ice and Fire feeling to it then the second book... and after all Shale makes her first appearnce ever in The Stolen Throne

[Wakuzel]

Time for another book Mr. Gaider, chop, chop!!

[damirko]

Another book would be just great.



Really hope that first two sold some nice amount of copies so both publisher, BioWare and Mr. Gaider are interested in dong many more!



So any chance of seeing a new one soon?

[nisallik]

I hope we will see one soon... I check Amazon at work everyday to see if the next book will appear on the list. The Calling was on Amazon for preorder for several weeks before they officially announced the next one. ;p

[Cammy2709]

Finished it yesterday and I really enjoyed it. I am not too picky with books' methods and styles etc. so I really enjoyed this just because of the story to it. Left me intrigued though, and I definitely like Duncan now more than I did when playing the game.



Regarding the child being Alistair, *SPOILER*...







At the landsmeet in Dragon Age: Origins, If Alistair fights Loghain for you, upon defeating him Loghain comments that 'Alistair may have some of Maric in him after all.' Or at least that's what I can remember.

[KeeVasha]

Got this late yesterday in the mail.. And - am half way thru it already! Love it!!

Modifié par KeeVasha, 04 décembre 2009 - 07:56 .

[drill10]

wait this is a spoiler thread....

[q0rra]

Cammy2709 wrote...

Finished it yesterday and I really enjoyed it. I am not too picky with books' methods and styles etc. so I really enjoyed this just because of the story to it. Left me intrigued though, and I definitely like Duncan now more than I did when playing the game.

Regarding the child being Alistair, *SPOILER*...



At the landsmeet in Dragon Age: Origins, If Alistair fights Loghain for you, upon defeating him Loghain comments that 'Alistair may have some of Maric in him after all.' Or at least that's what I can remember.

Well, it's kind of been confirmed that Alistair is Maric's child. What the dispute is about, however, is wether or not Alistair is the child of a generic kitchen maid or the Grey Warden elf in The Calling.