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q0rra wrote...

Cammy2709 wrote...

Finished it yesterday and I really enjoyed it. I am not too picky with books' methods and styles etc. so I really enjoyed this just because of the story to it. Left me intrigued though, and I definitely like Duncan now more than I did when playing the game.

Regarding the child being Alistair, *SPOILER*...



At the landsmeet in Dragon Age: Origins, If Alistair fights Loghain for you, upon defeating him Loghain comments that 'Alistair may have some of Maric in him after all.' Or at least that's what I can remember.



Well, it's kind of been confirmed that Alistair is Maric's child. What the dispute is about, however, is wether or not Alistair is the child of a generic kitchen maid or the Grey Warden elf in The Calling.


Yes, I have foolishly found that out myself many a time since then. But still, There are plenty of connections to be made. Well I say plenty, there's pretty much just the ending of The Calling and the association with Redcliffe. Presumably where Duncan was able to watch over him from. Then there's the matter of the codex and ahh bugger it all. I'm happy to just wait for another novel for the questions to be answered. Fingers crossed eh?

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Finished the book yesterday. I really enjoy it, even more that the first one.
Not only a great addition to the game, but amazing book as well.
Love all small romantic stories on the two books, the drama, the battles.
Great work Mr.Gaider. And special thanks to BoiWare and EA for supporting the books.

Looking forward to see more.

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When will it be translated and availe in france/elgium ?

I have the first book

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Finished this book last week. I was hoping it would tell me how Maric died but it didn't. It was a very entertaining read and I'm not a fantasy reader by any means. The two DA books are the first ones I've read in years. Might be time to revisit the genre though.




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Well crap, I just read the above post above about Allistair being Maric's child. Had no idea.....

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Just finish the Calling this morning.
Great read, thank you Mr. Gaider.
But, why is it that everyone who join Grey Wardens have a tragic life in the book?
I cry my way though the Fade part in the story.
Also, King Maric has more than two children, right?:P

Modifié par Felene, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:17 .


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Felene wrote...
But, why is it that everyone who join Grey Wardens have a tragic life in the book?

It's because they are all outsiders, in their way. Outsiders naturally gravitate towards the Grey Wardens.

I cry my way though the Fade part in the story.

Me too. Nicolas's dream was very hard for me to write. Image IPB

Also, King Maric has more than two children, right?

I guess anything is possible, sure.

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I finally finished the book, having ordered it just days ago. Kinda fell behind on keeping up here what with playing the game. Yes, it's a good game, despite my issues with certain technical parts of it.



The book seems better technically than the first one, or at least there weren't obvious things jumping out at me like in the first book. The story was gripping, but the constant strife and suffering the characters were put through kept me from reading the book for very long periods. That kind of negativity really brings me down (I suffer seasonal depression, among other things) so I can only take it in small doses.



Maric always seems to fall for the elven women, and always with the same result: pain. I almost wished he'd stayed with Katriona in the Fade, because she was my favorite character in the Throne novel. Alas, she got some cold treatment in this book, since nobody seemed to consider she might be a helpful spirit rather than a covetous demon - or they simply weren't willing to take the chance, which seemed likely.



Utha was my favorite character until she showed weakness and was fooled into following Mr. A. Ah well, another favorite character gunned down. Fiona felt like Rowan revisited, though at least she was more useful what with her magic.



As with the first book, my dislike of Loghain was strong. I'm sure he has good qualities but I just don't care for the guy's constant scowl and wearisome barking. Thankfully he had a small part in this book.



The Fade in the book is probably close to what some people would prefer the Fade in the game to be. Instead of solving all these puzzles (doors, shapes) and fighting lots of enemies, we just walk from nightmare to nightmare until we're ready to face the demon. Bada-boom, we're done!



I found it interesting that an abomination could be undone the same way a certain character is saved in the game. Makes sense, but I always thought the demon was in the physical realm once it managed to take control of a mage. Given this new understanding, it's too bad it wasn't provided as an alternate way of dealing with the circle - a way that would preserve many mages alive.


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I always felt that the child at the end of this book was more of a way to go around the game and still use the Theirin line. No matter what happens to Alistair in the game Maric's blonde haired oblivious line continues. :P



But I have to agree, the Fade section was very hard to read and easily one of the most emotional parts of the book. I kind of wish the Fade in DAO was similiar to this, yet I also don't. I'm sure if it was it would be even harder to go through.

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The Stolen Throne and The Calling arrived on my doorstep only yesterday… and I have already devoured them.  I think that attests to the fact that I found them to be exceptionally entertaining.  Sure, they were "light reading" -- but they were incredibly moving in places, too, and there were more than a few moments in which I got a shiver down my spine or a small lump in my throat. So, I offer congratulations to Mr. Gaider, and would like to say a big “thank you” for the ride, t’was awesome. :D

I know I'm really late to the party when it comes to TST, but speaking of shivers down the spine, the scene where Maric knights Gareth was, quite simply, pitch perfect and I’ve got to say that – having played the game to death and fallen head-over-heels-ass-backwards in love with its world and characters – it was an absolute joy to see that
Alistair is, indeed, his father’s son. More than he ever suspected, in fact, and one suddenly sees why Eamon is so confident that Alistair can lead Ferelden. Hell, Maric may even have been the sillier of the two: his dance around the campfire was hilarious… and it was heartbreaking to see the way in which he was ‘hardened’. Katriel wasn’t a character I was especially fond of, really – mainly because I thought Rowan was awesome (I wish she could have stuck around for longer) – yet her death, and her Fade scenes in The Calling  were… yeah, throat lumpy.

Sure, it sometimes seemed a bit convenient how Maric would just time and again stumble into good fortune, allies and magic blades (without even forking out for DLC, too, the fiend!) but the self-awareness of this fact made it amusing rather than annoying.  Though, considering the sorts of things he’s been through, it’s something of a two-edged sword anyway. As “lucky” as he is, he loses an awful lot.  I think my only real "gripe" with TST is that it felt like a story that might have been served better with two books, as opposed to one -- but that's only a minor quibble, really.

I was somewhat surprised when I had heard Duncan was in The Calling (even more surprised when I finally cottoned on that he was the feral looking guy on the cover) but, unsurprisingly, he was a great character to follow (pity Riordan wasn’t with him, in some ways). His poor tolerance for the cold suddenly makes his running off to the fire as soon as you reach Ostagar very funny. Similarly, his “seduction” of the mage was priceless, as was his borderline kleptomania and I’m almost surprised he could have mellowed as much as he does in a “mere” seventeen years (and when did he ever use a shield, anyway?). Actually, that’s a thought: I was incredibly shocked to find out how young he is.  Considering Alistair mentions that Duncan felt he was close to the Calling as of 9:30 Dragon, to learn that he’d only been a Grey Warden since 9:12/13 Dragon was a bit baffling, to say the least. I had thought that this was going to tie into the quickening corruption that the Wardens were feeling in the Deep Roads, but then it turned out that Duncan hadn’t been affected by the broach at all. (Or had he?) Duncan’s family background seems a little muddied, too. Since both Alistair and The Calling mention Highever, however, are we to assume that the information in the codex regarding his father hailing from Tevinter and his mother from the Anderfels is mistaken? Or is there some way it all works?

Indeed, as much as I enjoyed the books, there were moments (as a big continuity freak) where I started to get a little confused.  For example, what is the relationship between Arls Rendon Howe and Byron of Amaranthine? Byron, one assumes, is a Howe – yet he is also said to be a “young” Arl who sent his wife and children off to the North upon defecting to Maric’s army.  Is Rendon a cousin or brother of Byron’s? As a veteran of Maric's rebels himself, he's certainly too old to have been the son of a man who was a “young Arl” in 8:97-99 Blessed.  If so, what happened to Byron’s children? Did Rendon think he “deserved more” than being their regent, by any chance? (Has this ever been explained? Anyone know?)

As for the issue of Fiona’s child, I’m hard pressed to see how he could be anyone other than Alistair. Had Alistair already been born at this point (as his ‘codex backstory’ would have us believe) one would have expected Maric to have at least thought about him once or twice. Especially when presented with another son. Now, I haven’t the slightest problem with Alistair being a half-elf (ancestrally), nor with a cover-up surrounding that heritage, but, I don’t know, the idea that he’s only sixteen or seventeen in Dragon Age: Origins is really hard for me to swallow. I suppose it could just be the case that Fereldens mature quickly (or we're supposed to accept that he's a "TV teen"). Or maybe, given his mixed heritage, he’s like a Liger! Larger than his parents and renowned for his skills in (dispelling) magic!

Anyway, I will put my fussing aside and finish off by saying again that I had a lot of fun with these books. Though, considering how enamored I am with the game, I'm not surprised. ^_^

Edit: Formatting issues

Modifié par Ulicus, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:56 .


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I'm almost finished reading the Stolen Throne. I've enjoyed it a lot so far but was upset when Maric kills Katriel. I thought she had done enough to redeem herself to at least keep her life and was shocked when he stabbed her. Props to David Gaider for creating characters that I cared about.

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I read both books in succession while on my first playthrough of DA:O. The books and game really fed into each other to enhance the overall experience of stepping into this new world of Thedas. The books were quick and fun reads with some definite sniffle moments. I did come to care for the characters, all of whom seem tragic and beautiful in their own ways.

I am inclined to believe Alistair is Fiona and Maric's son. Duncan
seems to have followed through on watching over Alistair and even bringing him under his own wing when he was able.

I am currently intrigued by:
- The Architect and whether the Darkspawn can/will eventually evolve to be more than just an instinctual virus.
- The true nature of Old Gods and what truly 'calls' to the Darkspawn and why.
- Flemeth and what went on with her and Maric in the hut.

Thanks David Gaider for the good reads and giving me plenty to think about. I look forward to more. :)

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AiyanaLindari wrote...

I read both books in succession while on my first playthrough of DA:O. The books and game really fed into each other to enhance the overall experience of stepping into this new world of Thedas. The books were quick and fun reads with some definite sniffle moments. I did come to care for the characters, all of whom seem tragic and beautiful in their own ways.

I am inclined to believe Alistair is Fiona and Maric's son. Duncan
seems to have followed through on watching over Alistair and even bringing him under his own wing when he was able.

I am currently intrigued by:
- The Architect and whether the Darkspawn can/will eventually evolve to be more than just an instinctual virus.
- The true nature of Old Gods and what truly 'calls' to the Darkspawn and why.
- Flemeth and what went on with her and Maric in the hut.

Thanks David Gaider for the good reads and giving me plenty to think about. I look forward to more. :)



Maric = Morrigan's dad.

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Maconbar wrote...
Maric = Morrigan's dad.

:sick:

I haven't read the books yet and certainly hope you're joking. DA:O can actually end width Alistair doing the "magical sex rite". Oh my god. :blink::D:o

Modifié par klarabella, 13 décembre 2009 - 02:53 .


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Totally saw the Maric's son thing coming when I played DA:O; the resemblance is just uncanny!

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I have this book, although I still have the stolen throne to finish which is a good read. I have read the blurb of the calling however, and it increases my antcipation, especially the focus shifting to the grey wardens more. I hope these books are the start in a long line of dragon age universe novels.

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You know, back when I'd just heard spoilers about the Witch of the Wilds, Maric and the "promise", I assumed that they did the dirty to conceive Morrigan. The scene itself, however, doesn't really play that way... and, more importantly to me, the Flemeth Maric meets is far too old to be the younger Flemeth that Morrigan remembers her as being during her childhood years.



If Maric *is* Morrigan's father (and that's a big "if") I think it's more likely that Flemeth hammered out a deal whereby Maric would conceive a daughter with her after he'd secured his throne -- at which point she'd probably hopped into the body of her current daughter (thirty odd, or so?) who then aged into the Flemeth we meet in DA:O.



Or something, I don't know. My guess is only as good as anyone else's.

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Ulicus wrote...

You know, back when I'd just heard spoilers about the Witch of the Wilds, Maric and the "promise", I assumed that they did the dirty to conceive Morrigan. The scene itself, however, doesn't really play that way... and, more importantly to me, the Flemeth Maric meets is far too old to be the younger Flemeth that Morrigan remembers her as being during her childhood years.

If Maric *is* Morrigan's father (and that's a big "if") I think it's more likely that Flemeth hammered out a deal whereby Maric would conceive a daughter with her after he'd secured his throne -- at which point she'd probably hopped into the body of her current daughter (thirty odd, or so?) who then aged into the Flemeth we meet in DA:O.

Or something, I don't know. My guess is only as good as anyone else's.



I thought that Morrigan would be Maric's daughter in the first book, but that sort of fell by the way side in the second book. That would definitely produce an interesting storyline if Morrigan's child had the soul of the Archdemon and royal blood. 

Do I sense a future pro/an-tagonist?

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Ok, spoilers of course...

I just wanted to add a few thoughts.



concerning Morrigan being Maric's son, I wouldn't really imagine that were the fact, even though I think the timing and ages work out logically, because in the end when you could convince Alistair and Morrigan to make the pact, I wouldnt think they'd knowingly insert an incestuous relationship in the game. (I'd rather not hear arguments about incest in the middle east and how things worked in the past etc)



When I finished the Calling I first thought that Fiona and Maric's son was Alistair, he was to be protected by Duncan and at first thought the ages seemed to match, But i'm not 100% positive by any means. It does seem I guess a tad weird that he would protect his two greatest allies friends by making them into a grey warden, something he felt burdened by.



Sidenote: Amazing read I thought, the character development for Maric, and DUNCAN was incredible, It'll certainly prompt another more in depth play through of DA:O.

and PERHAPS, one of DA:J



In journeys, correct me if im wrong, i havent played it since shortly after its release, wasn't Martine's mentor or whatever Fiona? the whole reason she was down in the deep roads looking for her?

another side note, I loved the character of Fiona, she really had great development and emotional intrigue.

I thought the architect might have been the Emissary from DA:J but didnt he have both his hands?



I'm trying my best not to make a TL;DR >< kind of failing.




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Ferretfm2233 wrote...

When I finished the Calling I first thought that Fiona and Maric's son was Alistair, he was to be protected by Duncan and at first thought the ages seemed to match, But i'm not 100% positive by any means. It does seem I guess a tad weird that he would protect his two greatest allies friends by making them into a grey warden, something he felt burdened by.

It's funny. Shortly after reading the book, I was playing the game and heard a barkeep rumour about "Cailan not being Maric's real son" and that his real son was a mage that they kept locked up in the dungeon, somewhere.... it made me think of the kid, though at this point I'm pretty much convinced it's Alistair given his and Duncan's relationship in the game.

Though, actually... if this is the kid raised by Eamon, why would Duncan need to be the one giving Maric reports?

Hmmm.

I don't know, maybe the earlier poster was right: maybe this is just a way to ensure the blond Theirin line continues no matter what happens in the game. I wouldn't object.

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klarabella wrote...

Maconbar wrote...
Maric = Morrigan's dad.

:sick:

I haven't read the books yet and certainly hope you're joking. DA:O can actually end width Alistair doing the "magical sex rite". Oh my god. :blink::D:o


I'm still not convinced that Morrigan is Maric's daughter. Flemeth could have just as easily stolen a Chasind child at around the same time.

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Finished reading the calling, and I must say I enjoyed it; it wasn’t as action pact as I thought it was going to be, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing; the characters were interesting enough to keep the pages turning.

My only "LOLSICOULDDOBETTER nag" would be that I would of liked to have seen more of a focus on Genevieve’s motherly love/ hate relationship with the orphaned Duncan; why did she really keep him so close? Was it really as a punishment? to use him? Or did she view the killing of her grey warden fiance bya mere boy and having said boy undertake the joining a screwed up way for the maker to give two grey wardens a child? Hmm.

Genevieve also deserved a far more glamorous death than melting away like that smelly shoe in who framed Rodger Rabbit. : /

I immagined a heavily corrupted Genevieve being accidentally killed by Duncan in self-defence, and while he’s trying to staunch the bleeding ( oh noes not again D : )she regains some sense of her humanity and thanks him before eventually kicking the bucket,Nooooooo! in turn kinda mentally screwing him up, well for a time.anyway.

i deserve a chocolate chip biscuit : D

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Astorax wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people not paying attention to where they're posting things.

This forum is specifically titled "NO SPOILERS ALLOWED".

That means no spoilers people.  Pay attention.

Just to be clear, this also means posting "Spoiler" in the thread title.


This is not the spoiler's forum Chris. Bad. Very bad. You're fired .

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wrc78 wrote...

Should it be already available translated (in French in this case) or would I better go for the English version if I want to read it right away (as I understood (from Amazon) that there was quite a delay in the Frozen Throne case) ?


Eat cheese, lose wars.

The french aren't exactly known for their badassiness and tend to make cool stuff sound totally lame.

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RampantBeaver wrote...

Astorax wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people not paying attention to where they're posting things.

This forum is specifically titled "NO SPOILERS ALLOWED".

That means no spoilers people.  Pay attention.

Just to be clear, this also means posting "Spoiler" in the thread title.


This is not the spoiler's forum Chris. Bad. Very bad. You're fired .


On a different note, everyone can read this part of the forum.

It's just marketing really. The rules don't apply to money.