J.C. Blade wrote...
Yeti1069 wrote...
J.C. Blade wrote...
Just asking, when exactly did Shepard have more exposure to Reaper tech? Aside form the derelict reaper.
He
spends a lot of time around Reapers. Inside the derelict, dealing with
the "human" Reaper aboard the Collector vessel, the Reaper artifact in
Arrival, fighting the Reaper on Ronnach, the "human" Reaper again on the
Cerberus base (plus any other Reaper tech that may be present there),
then he's near Harbinger on Earth. Plus, he's rather close to the
Reapers that attack the planets he's on all through the game.
If
that is the case then the entire planet of Earth must be indoctrinated
by now. As well as the entirty of Shepard's crew. You need to be
constantly near them for their signal to take effect.
She spends
two hours tops in the dead one; "the human one" is a fetus still not
operational enough to do anything else but defend itself; optional DLC;
fighting reaper on the outside, for less than an hour; the fetus is well
and trully dead at that point otherwise it would indoctrinate all the
scientists now working on it in the Alliance (war asset); Harbinger made
an appreance for grand tottal of ten minutes. You spend more time on
the Citadel delivering fetch quests then you do fighting the reapers.
Anderson indicates several times that the people on Earth have been largely avoiding the Reapers by staying out of the major cities (ie.
miles away from Reapers), and it's doubtful that anyone on Earth had spent as much time as Shepard in as close proximity to Reapers (measured in feet) without getting killed one way or another. The ones that have survived are the ones that have stayed away. Besides, we
don't know if anyone on Earth or in the Crucible project is indoctrinated. I'm not saying anyone is, but there is no evidence to say that no one is either. For all we know, Anderson could be. I doubt it, but that's not an impossibility.
You may wish to discount the Arrival DLC, but it's still a part of the story, just like you can skip Lair of the Shadowbroker, but Liara has still taken over as the SB in ME3 with largely the same outcomes as occurred if you played through it. Just because it wasn't a mandory piece of ME2 doesn't mean that it doesn't play a role in ME3.
bo_7md wrote...
Yeti1069 wrote...
The way I see it, Shepard was fighting indoctrination from early in ME3 (the dreams), but it was fairly minor, because he is incredibly strong-willed. The defeat on Thessia clearly leaves him feeling rather deflated, perhaps more open to such attacks, but he's still pretty indomitable, and presses on, but when he gets hit by the Reaper beam (or explosion resulting from that) he's very badly injured, unconscious and within close proximity of Harbinger. All of that combined would be enough to at least break his resistance and resolve enough to immerse him in a deeper level of attempted indoctrination than simply having disturbing dreams. Whether the kid he sees on Earth is real, or the first hinting of indoctrination is irrelevant--if the kid is real, the wrenching of his emotions at seeing the kid annihilated could have made him more vulnerable to indoctrination; if the kid is a hallucination, the effect is largely the same.
a- The harbinger is there But they didn't bother collecting shepards body to assure themselves they get him even if he resists ? assuming ofcourse they still want him which they would or the harbinger would just up and go.
b- Shepard when exposed to earlier reaper tech couldn't resist the shock/after effects, nor any human could as mentioned in ME1,2&3. Why is he resisting now ?
c- The result of what you are saying is the same no matter what you pick, The Indoc isn't a virus you can't be imune to it all of a sudden as an organic life. Even if shepard picks destruction then he basically believes himself free and he stops resisting thus falling into Indoc again as the source is still there.
When would we have seen Shepard's body collected? We see him get hit by the explosion from Harbinger's shot, and he gets up and heads to the beam up to the Citadel. That's the start of the indoctrination sequence if you subscribe to the theory. We wouldn't have seen his body recovered if that were something they wanted to do.
Why would they want Shepard's body anyway?
No idea what you mean by Shep not being able to resist the "shock/after effects" of being exposed to Reaper tech from the earlier games.
Indoctrination is obviously something you can fight against. It plays on your mind. It's like a form of hypnosis, a strong suggestion of sorts. Some people are open to that suggestion, and are easily swayed, while others are more able to resist it. If you want a parallel, think about Luke Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi: the Emperor is trying to turn him to the dark side, as his father was before him. He clearly struggles with the temptation, giving into his anger and fear a few times, fighting savagely with Vader, considering attacking the Emperor, but ultimately is able to pull himself back from the precipice, even after almost giving in and cutting off Vader's hand. Meanwhile, Darth Vader, who has been under the sway of the dark side for 20ish years, is able to break from his conditioning, from its hold on him, to kill the Emperor and save his son.
Shepard choosing to kill the Reapers when presented with his choices by the Star Child thing would be a visual representation of his succeeding in fighting off indoctrination--even with the alluring choices at hand, he is able to stick to his goal of wanting them dead, not giving in to the temptations that ultimately brought down Saren and The Illusive Man.
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