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[Heather Cline]

Read this yesterday but yeah this is spot on and constructive criticism is only for those who work under a boss. We the gamers have a right to criticize non-constructively if we so wish. The guy who wrote that article is very right about that.

[Ronin1325]

Femlob wrote...

The PLC wrote...

That is just childish. What a jerk.

Why? Because he didn't wrap his criticism in several layers of soft padding? Because that's exactly what the faint of heart imply whenever they demand the use of "constructive criticism". I swear, political correctness is the first nail in our species' collective coffin.

The Dutch have a saying: "zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden". Loosely translated, it boils down to "gentle doctors leave festering wounds".

There's no criticism quite as constructive or effective as brutal honesty, and anyone who wields it is aces in my book. If you can't stand the heat, stay the **** out of the kitchen.

Femlob, you might want to edit the profanity...

Modifié par Ronin1325, 22 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[Guldhun2]

Are you guys blind? Have you still not realised that the ME3 endings controversy is all a big set-up for a DLC happy ending? They'll release a happy DLC ending, ask 20 or more dollars for it and they make another couple of millions. And then they can release PR messages saying how they are the greatest ever and listen to fans while you applaud them for taking another 20 dollars from your pocket because they know you'll buy it.

[FixitBioware11]

What I am concerned about is bioware are going to release dlc that only furthers their pile of dung ending. what i want is choice i want 2 more endings to give me that choice i felt was taken away.

[gabrien]

Constructive criticism: Hey.. I really found the ending of mass effect 3 lacking many things (lists them) and here is a list of the things I disliked the most about it (makes another list)

Destructive criticism: Hey ****s, your game ending f*****g sucked. Go burn in hell! I hate you!

[Guldhun2]

gabrien wrote...

Constructive criticism: Hey.. I really found the ending of mass effect 3 lacking many things (lists them) and here is a list of the things I disliked the most about it (makes another list)

Destructive criticism: Hey ****s, your game ending f*****g sucked. Go burn in hell! I hate you!

And do you think BiowareEA cares about either? Both of those will eventually buy the happy end dlc.

[luzburg]

i dont consider the endings as art at all. so its subject for any kind of change
i want to see and ending that ranges from bad to total victory/happy ending.
thats how a mass effect game shuld be.
you already lost som mutch before the ending. and the endings are just more salt in the wound

hold the line

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Are you guys blind? Have you still not realised that the ME3 endings controversy is all a big set-up for a DLC happy ending? They'll release a happy DLC ending, ask 20 or more dollars for it and they make another couple of millions. And then they can release PR messages saying how they are the greatest ever and listen to fans while you applaud them for taking another 20 dollars from your pocket because they know you'll buy it.

Erik briefly mentions that possibility:

"Whether the ending of the game was in fact just an elaborate set-up for a really great twist remains theoretical. And as Paul Tassi points out, may also underscore how the quest for profits is killing video games/"

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 22 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[Ronin1325]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Are you guys blind? Have you still not realised that the ME3 endings controversy is all a big set-up for a DLC happy ending? They'll release a happy DLC ending, ask 20 or more dollars for it and they make another couple of millions. And then they can release PR messages saying how they are the greatest ever and listen to fans while you applaud them for taking another 20 dollars from your pocket because they know you'll buy it.

Hmm. Guldhun2, do you really think most people will just buy the 'clarified' DLC happily? For myself I can't say for sure, but I suspect that charging for it will actually make things worse. I suspect that Bioware's rep has been burned so badly that only by releasing the DLC for free, will they make any kind of PR headway. Heck, I've posted on the offical response Sticky that if EA/Bioware wants to put their money where their mouth is about making constructive headway with the fans, they should match the Child's Play donations.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

If the DLC is not free.. I certainly won't buy it right away... not until I hear what fans have to say about it... whether there's any backlash over them/worth the money/etc.

[Guldhun2]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Hmm. Guldhun2, do you really think most people will just buy the 'clarified' DLC happily? For myself I can't say for sure, but I suspect that charging for it will actually make things worse. I suspect that Bioware's rep has been burned so badly that only by releasing the DLC for free, will they make any kind of PR headway. Heck, I've posted on the offical response Sticky that if EA/Bioware wants to put their money where their mouth is about making constructive headway with the fans, they should match the Child's Play donations.

Did Bio care that they rushed the half finished DA2? Did they care that TOR was just WoW in space? Did they care about all the negative feedback from the ME3 demo?


They care about money. Release happy ending DLC is going to make them money. Why would they care about a reputation when financially it doesn't matter?

[Rickin10]

Ronin1325 wrote...


Hmm. Guldhun2, do you really think most people will just buy the 'clarified' DLC happily? For myself I can't say for sure, but I suspect that charging for it will actually make things worse.

I thought this too before I saw a thread the other day asking if you would pay for a changed ending, and I was shocked to see the majority would be very happy to hand over more money.

[Ronin1325]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Hmm. Guldhun2, do you really think most people will just buy the 'clarified' DLC happily? For myself I can't say for sure, but I suspect that charging for it will actually make things worse. I suspect that Bioware's rep has been burned so badly that only by releasing the DLC for free, will they make any kind of PR headway. Heck, I've posted on the offical response Sticky that if EA/Bioware wants to put their money where their mouth is about making constructive headway with the fans, they should match the Child's Play donations.

Did Bio care that they rushed the half finished DA2? Did they care that TOR was just WoW in space? Did they care about all the negative feedback from the ME3 demo?


They care about money. Release happy ending DLC is going to make them money. Why would they care about a reputation when financially it doesn't matter?

Well... (checks phone app) EA's stock dropped 5% this week. They might care about that.

[Guldhun2]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If the DLC is not free.. I certainly won't buy it right away... not until I hear what fans have to say about it... whether there's any backlash over them/worth the money/etc.

Ofcourse it's not going to be free. There's thousands upon thousands out there who (for some reason i can't comprehend) would gladly pay 20 dollars/euros or more for a happy end dlc.

[Guldhun2]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Well... (checks phone app) EA's stock dropped 5% this week. They might care about that.

EA stocks dropped when DA2 was released to. And did that change anything?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If the DLC is not free.. I certainly won't buy it right away... not until I hear what fans have to say about it... whether there's any backlash over them/worth the money/etc.

Ofcourse it's not going to be free. There's thousands upon thousands out there who (for some reason i can't comprehend) would gladly pay 20 dollars/euros or more for a happy end dlc.

Then they'll be the best judges for whether or not it's worth buying.  Either way, charging will alienate fans like yourself... so they will feel some pain if they go that way...

They may want to offer the ending initiatives for free and sell the other DLC for a slightly higher tag (because presently, most people on here seem to not want anymore Mass Effect at all until  3's ending is addressed).

[OhManTFE]

The main problem is no one in Bioware is apologising for the ending itself, all the plot-holes and retcons the Catalyst creates. In fact, they have said they were 'surprised' and 'hurt' that people actually hated the ending. That is what worries me. The ending was trash and they don't even seem to realise it.

I would much prefer a defense for the endings that tries to counter all the logic points people have brought up, rather than some vague, nebulous PR response.

I will continue HOLDING THE LINE.

[fwc577]

Alexbr wrote...

Erik got great post there and i subscribed to Forbes thanks to their neutral and really investigative journalism reporting on the issue.

I agree, loves the article and I like Forbes as a publication far and above many out there.

[Guldhun2]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Then they'll be the best judges for whether or not it's worth buying.  Either way, charging will alienate fans like yourself...

I don't think someone willing to pay 20 dollars/euros for a happy 'lol i can be with talisan' end is going to be a good judge.

[chengthao]

the best kind of feedback is usually negative feedback, i always read negative reviews on products i intend to purchase, positive reviews tend to be "in-the-moment" type of thing

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Yet another reason the Indoctrination Theory could answer for a lot of things... Bioware could fein corporate indoctrination (gaming sights can also claim indoctrination), etc.

It'd be great... as long as the real ending delivered. But only Bioware knows what their next move will be...

[gabrien]

Guldhun2 wrote...

gabrien wrote...

Constructive criticism: Hey.. I really found the ending of mass effect 3 lacking many things (lists them) and here is a list of the things I disliked the most about it (makes another list)

Destructive criticism: Hey ****s, your game ending f*****g sucked. Go burn in hell! I hate you!

And do you think BiowareEA cares about either? Both of those will eventually buy the happy end dlc.

My point is that most people have the meaning of constructive and destructive criticism all wrong. You can dislike something and still offer useful criticism. Just because someone says they don't like the ending doesn't mean it is destructive. It all comes down to how you deliver your criticism.

I for one wouldn't listen to someone swearing at me and take their criticism seriously. Because clearly they don't even understand how critiquing is done or what it means to critique something.

It is a disciplined analisys not an emotion fueled rage with personal insults and other rather silly behaviour.

Props to those who have managed to deliver a proper analisys of the games ending.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Then they'll be the best judges for whether or not it's worth buying.  Either way, charging will alienate fans like yourself...

I don't think someone willing to pay 20 dollars/euros for a happy 'lol i can be with talisan' end is going to be a good judge.

lol they're paying more money... if they don't get what they want after paying more money...


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[tetrisblock4x1]

Yeah, the article pretty much goes by what I've always believed: that the internet is a wonderful piece of social media and outlet for expressing your thoughts and emotion. But as a tool for learning and construction is a completely ****.

[Ronin1325]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Well... (checks phone app) EA's stock dropped 5% this week. They might care about that.

EA stocks dropped when DA2 was released to. And did that change anything?

True, true, but those things do compound. I guess we'll have to just wait and see. But if EA was longsighted enough to do that (release free DLC & Donate), I think they would turn all this lead into pure gold & make piles more cash in the end. But let's not accuse corporations of having humility & seeing in the long term.