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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

No middle ground?

"And then MY FREAKING SQUADMATE SHOWED UP!? HOW THE *expletive* *Expletive* *epletive* ON THE FREAKING NORMANDY *expletive* *expletive* COMPLETELY UNHARMED!? SERIOUSLY!!?!? BIWOARE eh Teh Sukszars!! *Expletive*"

Would you call that "Constructive Criticism"?

So you picked on that one guy to give as a broad example to all of us?

Agreed that what he said was a little over the top but don't compare us all to that person.

-Hold The Line

No one said it, I made it up as an example of "extreme (if not destructive)... but still worth listening to."  Beyond the expletives, there was a point and an issue brought up.  Bioware shouldn't ignore it.

And yes, Hold The Line....

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Let the bashing continue

[kbct]

Oldbones2 wrote...

The endings do (IMO) suck.  They have many problems.  So how do you write that?

Why use four words when three words will do? The ending sucked. Perfect. Very succinct and irreverent. It's irratiing but it gets the point across.

You can always write a review if you want to expand on it.

[SalsaDMA]

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

No middle ground?

"And then MY FREAKING SQUADMATE SHOWED UP!? HOW THE *expletive* *Expletive* *epletive* ON THE FREAKING NORMANDY *expletive* *expletive* COMPLETELY UNHARMED!? SERIOUSLY!!?!? BIWOARE eh Teh Sukszars!! *Expletive*"

Would you call that "Constructive Criticism"?

So you picked on that one guy to give as a broad example to all of us?

Agreed that what he said was a little over the top but don't compare us all to that person.

-Hold The Line

Tbh, I don't really see anything wrong with the statement.

The guy made clear examples of some of the things he had major issues with and was writing in a language that made it clear to the reader how deeply disapointed the writer was with the state of things.

Try telling someone you are pissed at them while wearing a big smile and chuckling as you say it. Chances are that he wouldn't understand what the hell you were talking about as your means of conveying the information did not follow the actual information being communicated.

Language is part of the communication, and not wanting the full communication is only fooling oneself.

[Primalrose]

"Truth rarely lies in what we want to hear. Dozens of fawning reviewers tripping over one another to offer up their perfect scores hardly encourages BioWare to improve their product. “

Soo true.

[Silicon Drifter 82]

arise chicken arise!

[Ronin1325]

Oldbones2 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

People seem to think that "brutal, tactless honesty" is the same thing as "constructive criticism"

No. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes, its much better for everyone if we write a page of pandering and sidestepping, slip a little information into the middle and never really say anything.  That's helpful.

Look, I'm no artist, but I do work, and I do receive feedback from clients about the job I do.

I don't like getting yelled at any more than anyone else.  But its pretty hard for me to do something different for my clients if they won't tell me EXACTLY whats wrong and what they want.  They don't have to yell, but brutal tactless honesty isn't that bad.  Frankly if they are being honest and I come out feeling REALLY bad, then I'm probably doing something so wrong that they should be yelling at me.

Actually, yes it is bad.

"The ending sucks!" is brutual, tactless honesty, and does nothing to help figure out why it's bad or how it could be changed.

"The endings were disappointing because (insert reasons here)" is constructive, because not only is it calm and rational, it clearly states the why, and sometimes the how.

Actually saying the ending sucks and nothing else really just venting.  It's not enough to help but its also not what I mean by pandering and sidestepping.

Your statement of the endings were disapointing becuase ...

Is actually lessening the blow and that is pandering. 

The endings do (IMO) suck.  They have many problems.  So how do you write that?

The endings suck.  They didn't fulfill any promised made.  I don't like the fact that I have all my choices taken away at the last second.  How come none of my previous decisions impact the end.  This was an epic fail.

Note that while my sample critique is overly negative and passionate, it also reflects exactly how I felt.  It also describes different aspects of the ending I found lacking.  It doesn't direct the the anger or emotion at its creators.  Merely at the content.  It doesn't assign any blame.

Is is harsh?  Very much so.  However it conveys my feelings in a concise manner that also highlights the specifics I don't like, while reflecting the amount of disapointment/anger/other emotion that I feel.

THAT is a brutal somewhat tactless honesty.  And it is perfectly appropriate to use. 

Well said! 

[StowyMcStowstow]

There is no problem with brutal honesty. Don't sugarcoat your words. if you can't tell someone exactly what you feel, bugger off and let someone else with a quad do it.

[RiouHotaru]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Actually saying the ending sucks and nothing else really just venting.  It's not enough to help but its also not what I mean by pandering and sidestepping.

Your statement of the endings were disapointing becuase ...

Is actually lessening the blow and that is pandering. 

The endings do (IMO) suck.  They have many problems.  So how do you write that?

The endings suck.  They didn't fulfill any promised made.  I don't like the fact that I have all my choices taken away at the last second.  How come none of my previous decisions impact the end.  This was an epic fail.

Note that while my sample critique is overly negative and passionate, it also reflects exactly how I felt.  It also describes different aspects of the ending I found lacking.  It doesn't direct the the anger or emotion at its creators.  Merely at the content.  It doesn't assign any blame.

Is is harsh?  Very much so.  However it conveys my feelings in a concise manner that also highlights the specifics I don't like, while reflecting the amount of disapointment/anger/other emotion that I feel.

THAT is a brutal somewhat tactless honesty.  And it is perfectly appropriate to use. 

Wait, so saying the endings are bad and explaining why is pandering?  Seriously?  The problem with your sentence:

The endings suck.  They didn't fulfill any promised made.  I don't like the fact that I have all my choices taken away at the last second.  How come none of my previous decisions impact the end.  This was an epic fail. 

Is that you give very little that says how you didn't like it.  A bare minimum, really.  And most of it is just emotional or subjective.

[Canned Bullets]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

No middle ground?

"And then MY FREAKING SQUADMATE SHOWED UP!? HOW THE *expletive* *Expletive* *epletive* ON THE FREAKING NORMANDY *expletive* *expletive* COMPLETELY UNHARMED!? SERIOUSLY!!?!? BIWOARE eh Teh Sukszars!! *Expletive*"

Would you call that "Constructive Criticism"?

So you picked on that one guy to give as a broad example to all of us?

Agreed that what he said was a little over the top but don't compare us all to that person.

-Hold The Line

No one said it, I made it up as an example of "extreme (if not destructive)... but still worth listening to."  Beyond the expletives, there was a point and an issue brought up.  Bioware shouldn't ignore it.

And yes, Hold The Line....

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Let the bashing continue

Okay, your example was an example of rage, not criticism. An example of criticism would be "Bioware shouldn't have teleported the squad back to the Normandy because they never explain why they're onthe Normandy."

[Mr. Gogeta34]

It was a complaint and criticism... the rager states what his issue with the game is... it's just surrounded by emotional... bonuse material

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 mars 2012 - 09:04 .