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[arthurhallam]

ron paul definitely supports the retake movement

[JulienJaden]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

LOOK AT DA KITTY~!

Way more interesting than the OP.


But, just so this isn't simply spam: You do realize that this is what society has made us, right? Well, the industry would like us to be mindless consumers, but we are still consumers. Saying that we hate something and voting with our money because something is bad in many ways makes us responsible consumers and shows the industry they can't do whatever they want because we won't buy things of bad quality (there's CoD, but ignore that for now).

Also, what's with the Ron Paul thing? Alright, if you bring it up: I'd never vote Republican. Have you ever LISTENED to those presidential candidates? They're all dicks. Obama isn't a fantastic president either, but at least I think one can excuse that with naivity.
It would make me glad to live in Germany if it wasn't the same kind of mess here.

However, that's beside the point.
Being critical is a good thing when it comes to something that has significant flaws. Period. That doesn't make us entitled or jackasses. If you think otherwise: Never complain if something you bought doesn't live up to your standards and to what was advertized. Never. Because that would make you one of us.

[Khallos]

By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.

[spacepope42]

arthurhallam wrote...

okay, so, many of the retakers are contiously talking about how they're not entitled,  & i don't want to generalise a very large group of people.

but if people keep talking about their rights as consumers (as many of you do) & about the so-called lies of the company, you really do come across as entitled little brats. maybe it's my leftist political outlook, but i can't help but think of you as the exact sort of people who'd vote for ron paul. 

you speak as though spending some money on a piece of creative fiction gives you the absolute right to determine its fate & if that does not confirm your expectations because of some half-assed marketing spiel, your human rights have in some way been breached.

give it a break. honestly, just stfu.

now, i'm not against the notion of a creative work being changed. i've stated on many occasions that it's great that games can be changed after the fact. don't accuse me of thinking otherwise. nor do i think the mass effect trilogy is a work of art. incidentally, i don't believe games are an art form. (not all narratives, not everything that is beautiful, not all works of creativity are considered works of art.)

but i'm not going to sit here & complain because the creative work did not match my expectations, irrespective of what a company told me beforehand. 

imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? no, they throw out all the toys from their cots. which is exactly what many of you are doing. it's unbecoming of adults to behave in this way.

From how I see it, I use the "Consumer" arguement for one simple reason, They have said from the very begining that this is as much our story as it is theirs. Dr. Muzyka even said this in his last statement. Now I have a feeling that alot of your argument stems from those that have filed at the FTC and BBB about the Game. I do beleive that they have gone a bit over board with this and it makes alot of the fans just look bad in doing so. But as a person that had just spent $80 on a product, when asked by the company what I thought of it, I will be more then happy to tell them. 

as to your last comment, if the kid paid for the item in question then it was not recived, I would expect some reaction but again I beleive that a lawsuit is overboard. I would compare this more to going to a fine resturant and ordering a nice piece of steak but instead of reciving what you order from the menu, you in turn recieved a piece of Halibut. You still got the meal, but it wasnt what you were expecting.

[Comguard2]

"imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? "

Did you have to pay your parents for the presents? If your parents bought you a GI Joe Battleset but in the package was Barbies dreamhouse, would you have prevented them from going to the shop where they bought it with the words "don't do it, you're entitled brats, wahwah"?

Modifié par Comguard2, 22 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[kookie28]

RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!!

[krayt298]

Oryonn wrote...

Everyone who likes the endings insults those who don't.

Everyone who doesn't like the endings envies those who do.


#FACT

This.

[S1at3]

If you think you have a right to something, you think you're entitled to it. Some people confuse the two.

[proffbeer]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

I'll see yer kitty, and raise you

[Aesieru]

JulienJaden wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

LOOK AT DA KITTY~!

Way more interesting than the OP.


But, just so this isn't simply spam: You do realize that this is what society has made us, right? Well, the industry would like us to be mindless consumers, but we are still consumers. Saying that we hate something and voting with our money because something is bad in many ways makes us responsible consumers and shows the industry they can't do whatever they want because we won't buy things of bad quality (there's CoD, but ignore that for now).

Also, what's with the Ron Paul thing? Alright, if you bring it up: I'd never vote Republican. Have you ever LISTENED to those presidential candidates? They're all dicks. Obama isn't a fantastic president either, but at least I think one can excuse that with naivity.
It would make me glad to live in Germany if it wasn't the same kind of mess here.

However, that's beside the point.
Being critical is a good thing when it comes to something that has significant flaws. Period. That doesn't make us entitled or jackasses. If you think otherwise: Never complain if something you bought doesn't live up to your standards and to what was advertized. Never. Because that would make you one of us.

I don't think we are in any sense what the OP postulates.

Also, KITTY!

Edit:

proffbeer wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

I'll see yer kitty, and raise you

 

OMG PUPPIES

Damn this thread is awesome.

Modifié par Aesieru, 22 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[ergonomalous]

arthurhallam wrote...

imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? no, they throw out all the toys from their cots. which is exactly what many of you are doing. it's unbecoming of adults to behave in this way.

This is a bad analogy. The kid didn't pay for his own christmas gift.

[S1at3]

kookie28 wrote...

RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!!

YESS!!  Unfortunately he won't make it because people preach change but they're afraid of it when they see it.

[Hsuzy1987]

obvious troll is obvious

[Gruzmog]

I saw a kittycat!

[alx119]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Great topic. You just explained why we shouldn't listen to you all in one nice little paragraph. So here are some ponies instead



http://t1.gstatic.co...UflG7D8kSQnAHtb

Bronies are just the best uvu
/brohoof

[Gedgehog]

That OP was incredibly immature and self righteous, especially when calling himself a left-winger and bashing people who vote for right-wingers. Surely its better to respect someones political opinions, just as much as their opinions on a videogame ending? I can't stand it when self righteous people who think they are right, bash others. Just accept their opinion and debate It respectfully and with dignity. They are humans too.

[HenchxNarf]

krayt298 wrote...

Oryonn wrote...

Everyone who likes the endings insults those who don't.

Everyone who doesn't like the endings envies those who do.


#FACT

This.

Not entirely true, but close enough. Both sides insult each other.

[Billabong2011]

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

Pot calling the kettle black... :innocent:

[MystaisPC]

So an unhappy customer has no right to voice his/her displeasure about a product he/she finds lacking?

Go to any site like Amazon, Gamestop, Newegg, etc etc and every product allows for user reviews.

Why is it okay for customers to offer their opinions on all other types of products but apparently you feel it is not okay to offer our opinions or voice our displeasure for this game?

Modifié par MystaisPC, 22 mars 2012 - 01:45 .

[Furluge]

Did someone say pony thread?! Yeah, you're gonna have to right click it and view image.

Modifié par Furluge, 22 mars 2012 - 01:45 .

[HenchxNarf]

Billabong2011 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

Pot calling the kettle black... :innocent:

@ Arthurhallam

You get more flies with honey.

And being one that 100% supports the ending, you're making yourself look bad. Just sayin.

Acting this way is proving to them that we're all like you, and we're not. Simmah down, son.

[arthurhallam]

Khallos wrote...

By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.

you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.

[Hsuzy1987]

guys... remember the words of warlord okeer:

"I will inflict upon the genophage the greatest insult an enemy can suffer: To be ignored."

the best thing you can do is just not post on this sorry excuse of a thread. /end

[esideras]

Oooh watch out, someone is talking about entitlement again.

[Fail_Inc]

Wow you got everything figured out
*Insert Wonka picture here*
Please enlighten us more with your wise words.