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[AntiDave]

OP just hasn't understood what this is about.
The entertainment industry has treated us (our generation) as idiots. They put DRM inh our games, our MP3s are generally suspecting the whole population to be criminals that copy their work illegally, try to press for Orwellian legislation, all instead of just offering us a fair service.

Bioware seems content to just carry on with this tradtion industry vs costumer. They tell us (via IGN): "This is a five star game 91/100, kids go buy this." Whilst in reality it's diffficult to give Mass Effect 3 61/100. The writing is incredibly bad, yet Bioware who used to play on a five star level tries honestly things we are stupid enough to accept low quality. It's like going to a restaurant and realizing that it has all been just a five star fassade. While that does not give me a constitutional righzt (which Anglophones - no offense - are obsessed with when it comes to debating issues) it gives us all reason to complain because we are not ready to say: "We are as stupid as you think we are Bioware."

We don't want to be treated as complete idiots and that claim in valid. And I'm not left-wing btw.

[kookie28]

Ron Paul promises a change to the Mass Effect 3 ending if elected.

RON PAUL 2012!!!!

[Nicky 192]

What has politics got to do with this exactly? it's a matter of principle not that it matters but i'm fairly left of centre my self. Try gain

[soull2]

arthurhallam wrote...

ron paul definitely supports the retake movement

What has this got to do with anything?

[Vaerkone]

arthurhallam wrote...

okay, so, many of the retakers are contiously talking about how they're not entitled,  & i don't want to generalise a very large group of people.

but if people keep talking about their rights as consumers (as many of you do) & about the so-called lies of the company, you really do come across as entitled little brats. maybe it's my leftist political outlook, but i can't help but think of you as the exact sort of people who'd vote for ron paul. 

you speak as though spending some money on a piece of creative fiction gives you the absolute right to determine its fate & if that does not confirm your expectations because of some half-assed marketing spiel, your human rights have in some way been breached.

give it a break. honestly, just stfu.

now, i'm not against the notion of a creative work being changed. i've stated on many occasions that it's great that games can be changed after the fact. don't accuse me of thinking otherwise. nor do i think the mass effect trilogy is a work of art. incidentally, i don't believe games are an art form. (not all narratives, not everything that is beautiful, not all works of creativity are considered works of art.)

but i'm not going to sit here & complain because the creative work did not match my expectations, irrespective of what a company told me beforehand. 

imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? no, they throw out all the toys from their cots. which is exactly what many of you are doing. it's unbecoming of adults to behave in this way.

I agree with you, minus the insults.

[HAMMERPUNCH3000]

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

That's the moment you lost your credibility, in case you were wondering

[CRISIS1717]

Forum gangsta reporting in!

[ergonomalous]

I like how complains about us throwing a tantrum about a game by throwing a tantrum.

[howieloader]

lol... Is this... real???

[rfalzar]

I support the consumer rights thing as well as the artistic medium argument. Consumer standpoint: we were promised one thing and received another; all we want is to follow through with promises made. Artistic medium however is a little trickier. Problem with the artistic medium is that people have fought for so long for games to be comparative to books, movies, etc. that we hold them to the same standards as them and that is its undoing. Video games should not be art like movies, should not be art like books; they should be an art medium exclusively to what they are and thats an interactive experience shared between producer and consumer. As such it is one open to altering because it is a shared production (as BioWare reps have stated multiple times). Without the vision of the producer the consumers have nothing to experience and without the feedback and slight insight of the consumers the producers fail. BioWare has integrated consumer feedback into many of their games beforehand which is what makes them great but suddenly when we attack "their artistic integrity" that no longer matters apparently.

Also fully expecting an "End of Line" or "LOCKDOWN!" on this thread soon....

Modifié par rfalzar, 22 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[HenchxNarf]

arthurhallam wrote...

Khallos wrote...

By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.

you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.

Dude, just quit talking. Please. You're only making yourself look bad. Namecalling isn't the answer, you know.

[arthurhallam]

HAMMERPUNCH3000 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

That's the moment you lost your credibility, in case you were wondering

what, credibility among entitled consumers? massive hammerblow to my self-confidence. might have to file a complaint with the ftc.

[alx119]

Furluge wrote...

Did someone say pony thread?! Yeah, you're gonna have to right click it and view image.

Priceless xD

[D1ck1e]

Bad analogy. The kid isn't paying for his gift.

[FoxShadowblade]

Look at the freaking kitty! I love it!

I'm sorry OP, were you making a point or just being anti-capitalist? Who cares?! Kitty.

[arthurhallam]

HenchxNarf wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

Khallos wrote...

By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.

you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.

Dude, just quit talking. Please. You're only making yourself look bad. Namecalling isn't the answer, you know.

no, i won't. i've rattled the collective entitled consumer cage. it needs to be obliterated. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Am I the only here for all the awesome puppy pictures people are posting?

[Epiph1]

arthurhallam wrote...

you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.

So errr you're dumb?

You can't post in here unless you bought the game you do realise this right?

Also btw, leftist ideology as you so eloquently put it tends to believe in a degree of socialism i.e. protecting consumers.

"Rightists" (lol) would believe in the Capitalist system which believes that the free market self regulates. That is to say that consumers will protect themselves by not purchasing bad products and that companies will produce good products because they want them to sell.

Either way your argument fails really badly.

[DaosX]

I believe this would be an example of those PR people that Bioware hired to pose as customers to defend themselves...

Join Date: 03/15/2012.

Modifié par DaosX, 22 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[ShepnTali]

This thread is lacking bunny rabbits.

[HenchxNarf]

arthurhallam wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

Khallos wrote...

By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.

you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.

Dude, just quit talking. Please. You're only making yourself look bad. Namecalling isn't the answer, you know.

no, i won't. i've rattled the collective entitled consumer cage. it needs to be obliterated. 

if you want to do it, then do it in a way where you don't insult everyone. You're making the pro-ending people look bad. I don't think you see this.

This is counterproductive.

I don't agree with what they're doing, but have some respect. If not for them, for yourself.

[heathxxx]

"if you talk about your right as a consumer, you're a jackass"

Need to change your thread title. What has your abusive drivel got to do with talking about consumer rights?

Indeed, if people didn't discuss consumer rights, American consumers would still be driving in cars with absolutely no safety features.

Companies around the world would be able to sell any kind of sub-par crap they wanted - and you wouldn't be able to do a thing.

Think about that next time you're unhappy with a product and want to raise an issue.

[dbt-kenny]

sniff sniff troll

[HenchxNarf]

ShepnTali wrote...

This thread is lacking bunny rabbits.

And butterflies

[Baronesa]

You know...

Look at my signature... See the word Chilean there? yep... I live in Chile. That means since the purchase was performed on Chilean territory, then it is subject to Chilean law. Consumer's law and protection here is quite extensive, and no EULA or any sort of Directed Contract have any validity if they limit the rights of the consumer.

If you are going to consider people acting withing their rights, as granted by their own States, as whiners and entitled,  then you are in fact becoming a shill for enterprises to act ignoring the laws.

Consumer's Laws, at least here in Chile, protect the consumer from foreign companies... forcing the company to come and defend their case on our courts, rather than forcing a consumer to travel half the world to another country to try legal action.


Would I start legal action? No... that would take too long and always a bad arrangement is better than a good trial.

Modifié par Baronesa, 22 mars 2012 - 01:55 .