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arthurhallam wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

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By your "logic", any time I buy something and it's broke, I should just "stfu" and throw more money at the manufacturer in the hopes I get a working one.

HAHAHAHA, that's cute.


you see, bioware consumers are not entitled, they're dumb.

this is not a broken game. you might not like the game, but it isn't broken.


Dude, just quit talking. Please. You're only making yourself look bad. Namecalling isn't the answer, you know.


no, i won't. i've rattled the collective entitled consumer cage. it needs to be obliterated. 


Sorry, but you have not rattled anyone's cage. All you have achieved is to make yourself look foolish.

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Is **** censored on here? Because I really want to call this guy a ****...

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Starspiral wrote...

Sorry, but you have not rattled anyone's cage. All you have achieved is to make yourself look foolish.


For the love of all that's holy, don't group me with him. He's being idiotic, and I'm ashamed that he's a part of the pro-ending side.

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Did someone say pony thread?! Yeah, you're gonna have to right click it and view image.
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Priceless xD


It was literally the first thing that came up on memebase. I think it was meant to be.

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So, which part of your "suck up the corporate lies and don´t complain" attitude do you consider leftist?

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Yay another self-righteous custodian of the best interests of everyone period! If you're happy with being lied to by a company and only finding out after you have paid for the product then I pity you. I'm so so sorry that you belong to a group who is ready to lie down and be stomped all over :(

OT: see insulting people isn't very nice! Everyone has a different opinion, so feel free to state yours but don't degrade the perfectly valid opinions of others while doing so :)

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arthurhallam wrote...

okay, so, many of the retakers are contiously talking about how they're not entitled,  & i don't want to generalise a very large group of people.

but if people keep talking about their rights as consumers (as many of you do) & about the so-called lies of the company, you really do come across as entitled little brats. maybe it's my leftist political outlook, but i can't help but think of you as the exact sort of people who'd vote for ron paul. 

you speak as though spending some money on a piece of creative fiction gives you the absolute right to determine its fate & if that does not confirm your expectations because of some half-assed marketing spiel, your human rights have in some way been breached.

give it a break. honestly, just stfu.

now, i'm not against the notion of a creative work being changed. i've stated on many occasions that it's great that games can be changed after the fact. don't accuse me of thinking otherwise. nor do i think the mass effect trilogy is a work of art. incidentally, i don't believe games are an art form. (not all narratives, not everything that is beautiful, not all works of creativity are considered works of art.)

but i'm not going to sit here & complain because the creative work did not match my expectations, irrespective of what a company told me beforehand. 

imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? no, they throw out all the toys from their cots. which is exactly what many of you are doing. it's unbecoming of adults to behave in this way.



Any objective reasoning for why "rights as consumers" = "wrong", or is this just your own fabricated declarative statement? It's all too easy to make arguments like this where you have a thesis but absolutely nothing to support it. Oh, and it doesn't help that you're being an ass to everyone who feels they have "rights".

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Oryonn wrote...

Everyone who likes the endings insults those who don't.

Everyone who doesn't like the endings envies those who do.


#FACT



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Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?


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Your move.

Modifié par Coolfaec, 22 mars 2012 - 02:17 .


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*farts*

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This thread is immature, rude, and not constructive in any way.

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arthurhallam wrote...

okay, so, many of the retakers are contiously talking about how they're not entitled,  & i don't want to generalise a very large group of people.

but if people keep talking about their rights as consumers (as many of you do) & about the so-called lies of the company, you really do come across as entitled little brats. maybe it's my leftist political outlook, but i can't help but think of you as the exact sort of people who'd vote for ron paul. 

you speak as though spending some money on a piece of creative fiction gives you the absolute right to determine its fate & if that does not confirm your expectations because of some half-assed marketing spiel, your human rights have in some way been breached.

give it a break. honestly, just stfu.

now, i'm not against the notion of a creative work being changed. i've stated on many occasions that it's great that games can be changed after the fact. don't accuse me of thinking otherwise. nor do i think the mass effect trilogy is a work of art. incidentally, i don't believe games are an art form. (not all narratives, not everything that is beautiful, not all works of creativity are considered works of art.)

but i'm not going to sit here & complain because the creative work did not match my expectations, irrespective of what a company told me beforehand. 

imagine a brattish kid gets promised something for christmas & doesn't get what they want— do they threaten to sue their parents? no, they throw out all the toys from their cots. which is exactly what many of you are doing. it's unbecoming of adults to behave in this way.


I find it supprising that you say you have a leftist sort of mentality and then go against consumer rights......thats kind of a corner stone of the democratic party. In fact, ron paul would be against any sort of government group, he would say the free market would take care of it thus if you dont like it dont buy it, which certainly is something alot of the people say in regards to the ending, and it is true.

But consumers of course have rights, and we have rights to speak out against a portion of product we feel is lacking.   While purchasing a piece of creative fiction doesnt give us the right to determine the direction it goes, it does give us the right to speak out and say, we are not satisfied with the product, and it would be nice if you change it. Now of course, Bioware has the same right to ignore those that speak out against how they finished the story, lord knows plenty have done that before. BW however choose not to do that, and I for one am glad. Course I still believe this was planned all along, BW just hadn't planned on the level of fan response.

Going to the FTC was a little far, I dont think this warrented that kind of reaction, but that doesnt mean consumers dont have rights, they do, and should be protected from companies.

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arthurhallam wrote...

okay, so, many of the retakers are contiously talking about how they're not entitled,  & i don't want to generalise a very large group of people.

but if people keep talking about their rights as consumers (as many of you do) & about the so-called lies of the company, you really do come across as entitled little brats.


I think you just did , plus the title of your thread sais enough to me.

have a nice day.

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Fail_Inc wrote...

Wow you got everything figured out
*Insert Wonka picture here*
Please enlighten us more with your wise words.


http://t0.gstatic.co...DJtPVKquqjijtxY

Your wish granted :)

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Reported.
Nothing to see here

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arthurhallam wrote...
but i'm not going to sit here & complain because the creative work did not match my expectations, irrespective of what a company told me beforehand. 


Seriously, you're trying to tell us that you've never complained about a bad movie to others?  I can respect the rest of your argument, although I don't agree with it, but this statement is just absurd.

There is a certain philosophical point about "rights as a consumer" if you believe that video games are at least partially a "product" and not just an artform.  If you're promised something when you buy a product, such as a car, and you do not receive it, don't you have a right to have it fixed?  However, even if you believe that the ME series is fully an art form and not a "product" whatsoever, the fact that what I believe is a majority of their most diehard fans will abandon both the ME franchise in the future and possibly any other BioWare product is reason enough to fix the ending.  What this debate comes down to in the end is how much money will BioWare lose if they do not change their product compared to how much they will lose if they do change it.  Hell, if they charge enough for the DLC to fix the ending and it is quality enough that pissed off fans will actually buy it, they may actually make money off of this in the end.

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Regardless if the OP has a point or not. His attitute completely disqualifies this topic.

Reported for rude and insulting speech and possible troll attempt.

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Sorry you have a problem with capitalism, I guess. I thought political discussions weren't allowed on these forums.

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How has this thread not been closed and the user not been banned yet?

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Coolfaec wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?


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Your move.


That didn't take long at all!

OP seriously? You understand what a responsible consumer is?

Also as a consumer I am "entitled" to lodge a complaint when a product is not as advertised!

Good day Sir!

To all those invovled Hold the Line!

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Trystane75 wrote...

Regardless if the OP has a point or not. His attitute completely disqualifies this topic.

Reported for rude and insulting speech and possible troll attempt.


Seconded.

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Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

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I literally spit some coffee out when I read this post.  Well done sir. 

Modifié par DreamTension, 22 mars 2012 - 02:18 .


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Asnine112 wrote...

How has this thread not been closed and the user not been banned yet?


Oh who knows. Even I reported him... and kind of ashamed he's part of the pro-ending crowd.

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Asharad Hett

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Wow, OP. Maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a bit.

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I totally agree we're not "entitled" to anything and our only "right" is to not buy the next product. I'm cool with that.

But the contradictory statements do bug me. In the leadup to release, you had Bioware muckety-mucks saying things like (paraphrases, not exact quotes) "it won't be an A/B/C ending" (which it was) and "because we're not making a sequel, we can have wildly diverging endings" (with 98% of the same footage) and "we won't pull a LOST, we'll wrap things up" (not really). And now, post-release, they're saying this was the intended ending all along, the "artistic statement" they meant to make.... which was NONE of those things they described.

Sorry, if this is the intended ending, then everything that came before was... if "lies" is too harsh, "marketing bull***" is not. In which case, OK... but consider this the last time I buy a Bioware product on release day. I'll let someone else be disappointed and pick up their used copy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.