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[HenchxNarf]

Though, sadly, with reporting this thread those that posted pics could get in trouble as well,

[JasonDaPsycho]

How in hell does being liberal relate to consumer rights? I'm very leftist and yet I think BW did screw us over. Are you implying that companies should start providing absurd lies to their customers?

[Aiyie]

first, two things...

one, im an avid supporter of Retake. and second, im very much about a personal responsibility and live and let live outlook at life.

as such, the corporation bears no fault in all this. buyer beware. its our fault for making the decision to buy something based off of what was essentially just them saying "i promise such and such." yea, foolish move on my part, but it was me that made the call to put my money down on the pre-order, rather than wait to see the reviews first.

there is a distinct difference between the deserve and want. i don't deserve anything based on someone else's word. my own actions and words are the only thing that determine what i deserve, not somebody else's actions and words (even a giant evil corporation whose primary goal is the ultimate evil of wanting to make money).

all that said though, the reason i support Retake is because I also believe in the free market and capitalism. we don't deserve anything more than what we got, but we would like something else. if we get what we want, everybody wins, if we don't, it sucks, but hey, im prepared for that and the free market has no mercy on a corporation that does not listen to its consumers wants.

[TheRealMithril]

This is just a trolling thread, don't feed it.

By the way, don't click on ^-that link.

oh, no... now, why did you click on it?

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 22 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[Nicky 192]

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

How in hell does being liberal relate to consumer rights? I'm very leftist and yet I think BW did screw us over. Are you implying that companies should start providing absurd lies to their customers?

Its a troll thread , it's just trying to inflame people. My advise is to let this post wither and die, this i came back to see if a mod had locked it's weird that it's still open.

[eddieoctane]

Well, depending on where you live, freedom of religion is lie promulgated by the great Satan. So yes, I'm entitled. I'm entitled by the US Constitution to certain rights, and EA is obligated to honor them as a US company, as are its subsidiaries. So stop trolling and learn something about the law.

[Thornne]

Hope you feel batter now, after getting all that off your chest, OP.

[Narsilsword]

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

You're one of those people who feels they just KNOW how things are and you know to fix them.
"They deserve to be insulted"? How old are you? Is this how you react to intolerable people?
Grow up, seriosuly

Modifié par Narsilsword, 22 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Aiyie]

eddieoctane wrote...

Well, depending on where you live, freedom of religion is lie promulgated by the great Satan. So yes, I'm entitled. I'm entitled by the US Constitution to certain rights, and EA is obligated to honor them as a US company, as are its subsidiaries. So stop trolling and learn something about the law.

there are laws about consumer rights... but you might want to refer to those instead of the constitution.  pretty sure the US constitution itself is pretty quiet about that particular subject.

just saying, it doesn't help you to use the wrong reference to support your stance... kinda makes it look like you really don't know what you're talking about.

[arthurhallam]

eddieoctane wrote...

Well, depending on where you live, freedom of religion is lie promulgated by the great Satan. So yes, I'm entitled. I'm entitled by the US Constitution to certain rights, and EA is obligated to honor them as a US company, as are its subsidiaries. So stop trolling and learn something about the law.

thanks for providing a perfect illustration of that which i'm criticising. 

you're all a bunch of imbecilic, unendearing, whiny consumers.

if ever anybody wants a definition of a "white whine", i'm just going to point them in the direction of the bioware forums.

[Narsilsword]

arthurhallam wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Well, depending on where you live, freedom of religion is lie promulgated by the great Satan. So yes, I'm entitled. I'm entitled by the US Constitution to certain rights, and EA is obligated to honor them as a US company, as are its subsidiaries. So stop trolling and learn something about the law.

thanks for providing a perfect illustration of that which i'm criticising. 

you're all a bunch of imbecilic, unendearing, whiny consumers.

if ever anybody wants a definition of a "white whine", i'm just going to point them in the direction of the bioware forums.

Oh goodness I seriously hope they don't let you vote wherever you live.

[charmedmeat]

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

You just invalidated any point you may have had, and I just stopped reading this thread.

[arthurhallam]

Narsilsword wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

You're one of those people who feels they just KNOW how things are and you know to fix them.
"They deserve to be insulted"? How old are you? Is this how you react to intolerable people?
Grow up, seriosuly

yes. i don't want to waste precious psychic energy trying to break people from their consumerist bourgeois prison. mild insults will have to suffice.

[Deucetipher]

You know, I actually like the ending and the "consumer rights" angle is the argument that gives me pause. If one shows reliance by consumers on "false or misleading" advertising, there is a cause of action. I just don't know if any consumers relied on the specific promise about the nature of the ending of the game in order to make their purchase. Also, the comment wasn't made through traditional advertising, but through Q&A. Regardless, I think it is an interesting and valid point.

[arthurhallam]

Narsilsword wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Well, depending on where you live, freedom of religion is lie promulgated by the great Satan. So yes, I'm entitled. I'm entitled by the US Constitution to certain rights, and EA is obligated to honor them as a US company, as are its subsidiaries. So stop trolling and learn something about the law.

thanks for providing a perfect illustration of that which i'm criticising. 

you're all a bunch of imbecilic, unendearing, whiny consumers.

if ever anybody wants a definition of a "white whine", i'm just going to point them in the direction of the bioware forums.

Oh goodness I seriously hope they don't let you vote wherever you live.

oh can it. go donate to ron paul, twerp.

[arthurhallam]

charmedmeat wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

alx119 wrote...

Could you please state your point without insulting anyone? That way people will at least consider it.

no. the people i'm describing are intolerable & deserve to be insulted. 

You just invalidated any point you may have had, and I just stopped reading this thread.

you haven't a clue what you're talking about. mild insults don't invalidate truth. which in this instance is that the bioware community is largely comprised of a bunch of whiny self-entitled pillocks.

[frostajulie]

I am a Leftwing Liberal who votes pure democrat thank you. I won't water down the Kool aid with jokers like Ron Paul.

As for you OP

If thats what you think than fine. I am a jack a ss or as someone else put it a M A S S H O L E

But your opinion is just that an opinion and it means nothing to me. The fact is consumers do have a right to be told the truth about a product before purchasing it so an informed purchasing decision can be made. When game writers and developers lie about the content of their product then they should be held to account for their lies.

HOLDING THE LINE. A NEW SUBSCRIBER TO FORBES MAGAZINE. I spend my money on my convictions. Forbes got the money I would have used to purchase DLC

[Bluefuse]

There was nothing creative about the ending. Therefore, it offended us and the art is appalling. It's like someone posting a picture of an orgy in a public area. I suppose you can call that artful too, but it hurts the audience.

[arthurhallam]

frostajulie wrote...

I am a Leftwing Liberal who votes pure democrat thank you. I won't water down the Kool aid with jokers like Ron Paul.

As for you OP

If thats what you think than fine. I am a jack a ss or as someone else put it a M A S S H O L E

But your opinion is just that an opinion and it means nothing to me. The fact is consumers do have a right to be told the truth about a product before purchasing it so an informed purchasing decision can be made. When game writers and developers lie about the content of their product then they should be held to account for their lies.

HOLDING THE LINE. A NEW SUBSCRIBER TO FORBES MAGAZINE. I spend my money on my convictions. Forbes got the money I would have used to purchase DLC

"leftwing liberal" LOL

[Bulk88]

Evil_medved wrote...

Nice thread you have here. It will be a shame if someone will... derail it?

KITTY!!!!!!<3:wub:<3:D

[rorako]

I read about a paragraph of OP's post before wanting to vomit (see: vote for Ron Paul).

Anyway, as customers, we fund Bioware. Without us, there would be no them. If there are enough of us complaining to effect profit margin, then, yes, we have every right to be "entitled" to a product we were promised.

If customers don't have a right to complain about something they purchase, then citizens shouldn't have a right to complain about corrupt politicians they elect, right?

Oh look, something that both Democracy and Capitalism have in common.

[Bluefuse]

frostajulie wrote...

I am a Leftwing Liberal who votes pure democrat thank you. I won't water down the Kool aid with jokers like Ron Paul.

As for you OP

If thats what you think than fine. I am a jack a ss or as someone else put it a M A S S H O L E

But your opinion is just that an opinion and it means nothing to me. The fact is consumers do have a right to be told the truth about a product before purchasing it so an informed purchasing decision can be made. When game writers and developers lie about the content of their product then they should be held to account for their lies.

HOLDING THE LINE. A NEW SUBSCRIBER TO FORBES MAGAZINE. I spend my money on my convictions. Forbes got the money I would have used to purchase DLC

Based on your opinion, it makes me wonder why you hate Ron Paul. He is actually for protecting your liberties, your rights as individuals.

[ramdog7]

Here's a quote by some one name Quitness

Video games, art or not, are created with the intention of selling to a consumer. The consumer has every right to critique the product they receive. Mass Effect 3 was not art for art's sake, it was art produced to be consumed. Many argue that asking for a different ending sets a bad precedent, and asking the artist to alter their work is inappropriate. Historically speaking this is not uncommon in art or setting any precedent good or bad. The precedent has already been set. Lets look at some examples:

Great expectations by Charles Dickens: At the end of the original version Pip meets Estella on the streets, who has remarried after her abusive husband has died. Pip says that he is glad she is a different person now from the coldhearted girl Miss Havisham reared her to be and that "suffering had been stronger than Miss Havisham's teaching and had given her a heart to understand what my heart used to be." Pip remains single. Following comments by Wilkie Collins that the ending was too sad, Dickens rewrote the ending so that Pip now meets Estella after the death of her husband in the ruins of Satis House with the suggestion that they will marry. Early 20th century writers including John Forster, George Bernard Shaw and George Orwell felt that the original ending was "more consistent with the draft, as well as the natural working out of the tale"; modern literary criticism tends to support the more common second ending. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Expectations

Sherlock Holmes novels by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle: Wanting to devote more time to his historical novels, he killed off Holmes in "The Final Problem," which appeared in print in 1893. After resisting public pressure for eight years, the author wrote The Hound of the Baskervilles, which appeared in 1901. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes

Little Shop of Horrors the film: The original conclusion to the off-Broadway musical was filmed and preferred by Frank Oz the director and the majority of the actors. However, test audiences disliked how Audrey and Seymour, the main protagonists, were both killed by the evil alien plant, and the ending had to be re-shot so that their deaths were removed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_ending

Some of the world's greatest artists changed their work or others changed it after they finished because the consumer demanded it. The infamous "fig-leaf campaign" of the Counter-Reformation, aiming to cover all representations of human genitals in paintings and sculptures, started with Michelangelo's works. To give two examples, the marble statue of Cristo della Minerva (church of Santa Maria sopra Minerva, Rome) was covered by added drapery, as it remains today, and the statue of the naked child Jesus in Madonna of Bruges (The Church of Our Lady in Bruges, Belgium) remained covered for several decades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo

The music industry's "clean versions" are in response to consumer demand. These are just a few of the many examples of "art" that was changed because of consumer demand. The argument that gamers are being "entitled brats" is hardly truthful or relevant.

Truthfully these "entitled gamers" may be entitled to a more satisfying ending. This entitlement has been created by Bioware itself.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer): “And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.” www.computerandvideogames.com...issing-in-me2/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…” http://www.360magazi....erent-endings/

Casey Hudson (Director): “For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.” http://www.gameinfor....-effect-3.aspx

“Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.” http://venturebeat.c....ans-interview/

One could argue that gamers are "entitled" to an ending based on these statements made by the producer of this piece of "art".

TL;DR Saying a new ending sets a bad precedent for games as an art form is incorrect. Art has been changed based on consumer input for centuries. Gamers are entitled to a different ending more in line with what Bioware itself promised.

[Bluefuse]

rorako wrote...

Anyway, as customers, we fund Bioware. Without us, there would be no them. If there are enough of us complaining to effect profit margin, then, yes, we have every right to be "entitled" to a product we were promised.

If customers don't have a right to complain about something they purchase, then citizens shouldn't have a right to complain about corrupt politicians they elect, right?

Bingo.

Modifié par Bluefuse, 22 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[Thetri]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Joined: 2012-03-16
Only game registered is ME3.

We have our answer

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