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[Pathero]

TabooTattoo wrote...

DrDetective wrote...

I don't care if Shepard dies. I just want it to make some goddamn sense.

This.  Get rid of starchild to eliminate ~99% of the plot holes and logic flaws.  Show that the war assets truly affect ending outcomes, outcomes of friend, allies and Earth.   If that happens...

How did war assets affect the ending?

More Assets, MOAR RAGE.

[StarcloudSWG]

Dying, yes, I could accept that.

Commiting suicide as Shepard does with the current endings? NO.

[vlherg]

A proper ending like the Ultimate Sacrifice ending from Dragon Age Origins with a funeral and epilogues would be far better than what we have now.

But,

Admiral Anderson "There's always another way"

So Shepard should also be able to live as well

[Vengilus]

Would I be fine with Shepard dying? Yes. So long as Shepard doesn't HAVE to die.

I went into ME3 with the thought that my main Shepard was probably going to die. About half way through I came to the realization that my Shepard was definitely going to die. A sacrifice for the greater good. It's just who she was. It was laid out before me in nearly every personal interaction she had with everyone from Dr. Chakwas to Garrus. Not only was I okay with that, I was looking forward to it. The emotional heartache of an "I'm doing this for you. For all of you. Tell Liara I love her and let Garrus know I'm saving him a seat at the bar. Goodbye, everyone... I have to go." moment would have been bittersweet but oh so perfect. So yes, I would be perfectly fine with Shepard dying.

On the other side of things, my renegade Shep sure as heck wouldn't "take one for the team". He would get to the end and tell Starchild the Omniscient to go bleep himself. "Eff that noise, I'm Commander Shepard, kid!" That's probably the main reason I haven't imported that Shepard playthrough yet. "Renegade Shep ain't no tool Shep."

[corkey sweet]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

If his sacrifice resulted in an ending better than the one we saw?

Personally, I think having Shepard die to save galactic civilization and stop the Reapers would've been a better way to have a "bittersweet" ending.

I think it worked well in Dragon Age:Origins with the Ultimate Sacrifice ending so I think if we had an ending that was otherwise happy with Shepard dying then that would be a good way to conclude it, especially since this is the last Mass Effect game with Commander Shepard.

if it where one of many endings than yes, but this goes back to the choice argument. shep needs to live in at least one ending

[Alisira]

Huyai wrote...

I would like survive as an option. The joy of the RPG elements of Mass Effect has always been both the element of choice and also the reflection of oneself within the super or action hero we are portraying. DAO proved it was a lot easier for me to allow someone else to gain earn redemption than it was to make the ultimate martyr's sacrifice. If this is really my Shepard's journey, then my Shepard needs to survive. ME2 suicide mission proved that you can beat the odds if you make the right choices. We talk about bittersweet ending, Trashed homeworlds across the races and untold billions dead seems bitter enough to me.

Absolutely agree. And don't forget all the people Shepard has lost so far. Ash/Kaidan, Mordin, Thane, Legion and ´maybe more, depending on your gameplay.

I just finished the Hunger Games trilogy and it's such a perfect example for a bittersweet ending without the need to kill off your main character. I would have wished for such a grand finish for ME3.
Well, actually, I still do...

[TabooTattoo]

Pathero wrote...

TabooTattoo wrote...

DrDetective wrote...

I don't care if Shepard dies. I just want it to make some goddamn sense.

This.  Get rid of starchild to eliminate ~99% of the plot holes and logic flaws.  Show that the war assets truly affect ending outcomes, outcomes of friend, allies and Earth.   If that happens...

How did war assets affect the ending?

More Assets, MOAR RAGE.

Shepard(?) takes a breath.

[Grimwick]

Yeah I wouldn't mind if Shepard died in a "proper" and befitting emotional way but the endings as they stand don't make dying feel good enough.
What I would like though is the opportunity to survive, by doing the right combination of actions, choices or sacrifices to be left standing with whatever's left of your friends and the galaxy...

[Apathy1989]

Brahlis wrote...

No.

In a game like Mass Effect, there shouldn't be any of, "Shepard has to ___"

This. I want 2 of my characters to die, the other two to survive. Its my paths through biowares stories.

[CMD-Shep]

If I choose that My shep should die then yes. If it is forced because BW wants to have a grimdark finale with bittersweet endings oozing with "artistic integrity", then NO!

Modifié par CMD-Shep, 22 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[TheWerdna]

Brahlis wrote...

No.

In a game like Mass Effect, there shouldn't be any of, "Shepard has to ___"

This ^

Now, it should be very very very hard to get Shepard out alive, thus being a reward for people who made all the right choices and really worked hard at it.

[Scotch42]

Yes. I started the game with a feeling that my Shepard would die. After I said goodbye to everyone before the "final" battle, I said out loud, "ok, so this is it, I'm going to die".

Since my war assets were in the 7000's and I didn't play multiplayer, I did croak. Three times. And then my Shepard's death meant nothing and I didn't get to find out what happened to the characters I'd grown to love (or the rest of the galaxy for that matter).

Dammit. Now I'm back to the anger stage again. Time to go find that hug thread.

[corkey sweet]

i keep hearing this "artistic integrity" argument. When you start selling your "art". it becomes a product, and the consumer has the right to demand changes to a product that they are buying. back on topic, there should be multiple choice endings. one of which shep could die

Modifié par corkey sweet, 22 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

As one outcome -- like total renegade assh*** Shepard who squandered support of her allies, yes.

As the outcome for the Shepard who pulled everything together and held everyone together through the end with very high war assets and had high loyalty? No.

Should there be casualties? Yes. The number should depend upon total war assets acquired and how unified the galaxy is. The more prepared, the fewer the casualties.

So if Shepard does everything right Shepard deserves to go have blue babies, or whatever.

[Espurr]

I'm fine with Shepard dying in most of the endings, but I think it again takes away from the element of choice to say he/she has to in all of them. Shepard should be able to live if you want him/her to, and die in heroic sacrifice if you want that as well.

That's not to say you shouldn't have to work for it though.

[corkey sweet]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

As one outcome -- like total renegade assh*** Shepard who squandered support of her allies, yes.

As the outcome for the Shepard who pulled everything together and held everyone together through the end with very high war assets and had high loyalty? No.

Should there be casualties? Yes. The number should depend upon total war assets acquired and how unified the galaxy is. The more prepared, the fewer the casualties.

So if Shepard does everything right Shepard deserves to go have blue babies, or whatever.

you know, not everyone likes liara

[jinxter69]

Yes, as a Soldier my Shepard was READY to die fighting the good fight...but this Shepard, who was NOT the Shepard I role-played through 3 games just plain gave up and committed what amounted to a Suicide. So, even though I was ready for Shepard to die, I felt I was given Zero choice other than to choose the color of destruction to the entire Galaxy.

[Wolven_Soul]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

If his sacrifice resulted in an ending better than the one we saw?

Personally, I think having Shepard die to save galactic civilization and stop the Reapers would've been a better way to have a "bittersweet" ending.

I think it worked well in Dragon Age:Origins with the Ultimate Sacrifice ending so I think if we had an ending that was otherwise happy with Shepard dying then that would be a good way to conclude it, especially since this is the last Mass Effect game with Commander Shepard.

Yes.  I am a happy endings kind of guy, but I would accept a ending with Shepherd dying as long as it was a good ending that made sense and gave closure.

[corkey sweet]

jinxter69 wrote...

Yes, as a Soldier my Shepard was READY to die fighting the good fight...but this Shepard, who was NOT the Shepard I role-played through 3 games just plain gave up and committed what amounted to a Suicide. So, even though I was ready for Shepard to die, I felt I was given Zero choice other than to choose the color of destruction to the entire Galaxy.

i wanted to die fighting back to back with garrus and ashley. thats the way my shep would go out, but we where not even givin any choice. thats the main issue

[CMD-Shep]

May I just add that advocating that the player gather as many resources as possible (fetch quests, play MP ETC.) and then rewarding the player with a forced choice/suicide is just pure crap in my book.
In ME2, if you worked at it, you saved EVERYONE. ME3...? Who knows...

[Stakis]

im ok with him dying, im not ok if thats the only option,

[danteliveson]

Not anymore.

[ReallyRue]

Yeah. The endings might have been unexpected and lacking an explanation about anything, but Shepard sacrificing herself was something I thought was coming anyway. After all that misery and stress she suffers over the course of the game, I'd find it hard to see how she could go back to any kind of life after all that. By the end of it, I thought she just seemed like she wanted it to be all over, no matter how that's accomplished.

[HrznKn]

sure, if it is well done, like the DAO sacrifice ending

[Egonne]

With an enemy as pwoerful as the reapers the death of Shepard is certainly a logical possibility.

But I wouldn't oppose a happy ending either.