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[Grasich]

cedgedc wrote...

I'm about to get all spiritual and existential on your asses so watch out.

The way I see it, Shepard - as Garrus put it- was born to do this. Shepard was born to fight the reapers. Her whole life was centered around preparing for this war. There is almost no part of shepard that was designed for living happily ever after.

Think of all of Shepard's supernatural abilities, those that go outside the scope of what is normal in the mass effect universe. Shepard heals and recovers unnaturally fast, is unnaturally resilient, and simply can't be kept down or stopped. When she is sedated with enough drugs to kill a horse, she still pushes through.

I see Shepard as this unstoppable force, destined to colide with this millenias-old evil force, and take it all crashing down with her. Shepard, for lack of a better term, is a Messiah here to deliver the galaxy from the greatest evil it has ever known. She has no place outside that conflict. She is the one that was born to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy. So it is right that she dies in the conflict.

But think of it this way. Would you rather Shepard simply die of old age? Just rotting in a bed waiting to die? Or would you rather he/she die standing and fighting to the last breath?

Basically the question is, is it better to burn out then to fade away? Shepard is a warrior and deserves a glorious death the likes of which could never be reproduced in a thousand lifetimes.

Which is fine for YOUR Shepard, but that shouldn't be the fate of all of our Shepards. I wanted mine to die of old age, in the arms of my LI, Liara.

The point we're making is that they shouldn't have shoved the same kind of death on all of our Shepards. Should he be able to die at the end of the game, sacrficing himself to stop the Reapers? Hell yes. However, he should also be ABLE to live.

[d-boy15]

I'm fine if he/she die by his/her choice, not by a vent kid who offer a 3 ways to die.

prefer a sacrifice that involve with big explosion (not space magic).

[Azrael08151819]

In my ending no !

[Juniper Mucius]

Yeah. If she went out a badass. Not melted down. I want her to go up in some epic explosion or something. Not jumping into a damn beam of light or being melted into nothing.

[cedgedc]

Grasich wrote...

cedgedc wrote...

I'm about to get all spiritual and existential on your asses so watch out.

The way I see it, Shepard - as Garrus put it- was born to do this. Shepard was born to fight the reapers. Her whole life was centered around preparing for this war. There is almost no part of shepard that was designed for living happily ever after.

Think of all of Shepard's supernatural abilities, those that go outside the scope of what is normal in the mass effect universe. Shepard heals and recovers unnaturally fast, is unnaturally resilient, and simply can't be kept down or stopped. When she is sedated with enough drugs to kill a horse, she still pushes through.

I see Shepard as this unstoppable force, destined to colide with this millenias-old evil force, and take it all crashing down with her. Shepard, for lack of a better term, is a Messiah here to deliver the galaxy from the greatest evil it has ever known. She has no place outside that conflict. She is the one that was born to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy. So it is right that she dies in the conflict.

But think of it this way. Would you rather Shepard simply die of old age? Just rotting in a bed waiting to die? Or would you rather he/she die standing and fighting to the last breath?

Basically the question is, is it better to burn out then to fade away? Shepard is a warrior and deserves a glorious death the likes of which could never be reproduced in a thousand lifetimes.

Which is fine for YOUR Shepard, but that shouldn't be the fate of all of our Shepards. I wanted mine to die of old age, in the arms of my LI, Liara.

The point we're making is that they shouldn't have shoved the same kind of death on all of our Shepards. Should he be able to die at the end of the game, sacrficing himself to stop the Reapers? Hell yes. However, he should also be ABLE to live.

Fair enough. You're right, you should have the choice. As I mentioned to someone else moments ago however, you do have a choice. My shepard lived.

[Lietuvis]

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah that would have been a better ending, though I would also want the option to have Shepard survive and be reunited with his/her LI and crew too.

[bti79]

No - not as the only ending possible.

[beccathelion]

I sort of just expect it, given the game's theme of sacrifice, so I'm okay with him going to that bar in Heaven. It just has to be worth it. And I'd like an option or two where he does live, just to fulfill my Pollyanna side.

[Apocsapel91]

I don't think Shepard should be forced to die or live. There should be multiple outcomes.

[I RJay I]

I would be more than happy with it, as long as it was written brilliantly, just like Mordin's death was. I'd like it if Shepard didn't HAVE to die, if there was a way to save him. Because then it'd feel like my choices mattered a lot more. And it'd make me do more playthroughs to see if I could get him to survive.

But I think I would prefer it if he did die actually. (in my playthrough at least).

[Dracowulf]

DrDetective wrote...

I don't care if Shepard dies. I just want it to make some goddamn sense.

This.
I was prepared to have my Shepard die in the end.  But I was expecting it to make sense, minus space magic and plot holes.  I was also half-expecting a "Shep dies" ending to be one of several, not the only ending.
But... well, we all know what we got.

[Stygian1]

Yes, as an option, it shouldn't be the only outcome. I want my paragon to live, but my renegade should die. I find it idiotic that we basically NEED to die... wtf?

[Tiikay_]

Some of my Shepards wouldn't want to go out any other way, self-sacrifice is the way to do it. My other Shepards however, would like to be able to live and tell future generations about how she/he stopped the Reapers.

Maybe I'm just too attached to my Dragon Age: Origins endings, but I like being able to choose if my character lives or dies, it makes each one's overall story different from the others. I've seriously planned playthroughs where I knew I'd be sending my Wardens to their deaths, and that's okay because the choice was there. I wasn't forced into it.

[cedgedc]

Some of you need to do a bit more research, and a bit more thinking about what really happened at the end. Some may need to play it again (as I intend to) and look at what you're really seeing.

The number one thing you must consider at the ending is that the perspective of the game changes a bit. You are pulled more deeply into Shepard's perspective, and thus are subject to seeing and believing what Shepard is believing.

It just so happens you're viewing things from the perspective of someone who's bleeding out and surrounded by the indoctrinating force of the reapers.

Plenty of people chose to take all that the 'star child' thing was saying at face value. There's nothing wrong with that of course. However, you should know that the way indoctrination works (which you learn a bit better through the novels) is not just by subduing the subjects will. Sometimes it's by giving them what they want to believe.. It can be subtle, As subtle as a hallucination which feeds you half-truths or lies.

What's more, it seems like some of you need to play all three endings before simply assuming that Shepard dies, simply because 'Star Child' tells you you will.

As I've said, my Shepard lived.

Modifié par cedgedc, 22 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Shift07]

I'm ok with him dying, but I don't think he should HAVE to die. 

My Shepard was larger than life.  He's almost died countless times.  He's ACTUALLY died once, and was resurrected.  He got the Geth and Quarians to cooperate, AND cured the genophage.  He convinced Saren AND the Illusive Man to shoot themselves, just by being nice!  There was literally nothing he couldn't do, and he could always do it while sticking to his values. 

And then suddenly he's forced into 3 choices before his likely demise, all of which involve some form of intergalactic atrocity/genocide, and he is powerless to do anything else.  Just doesn't fit his character.

Modifié par Shift07, 22 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[redkev]

I'm ok to with Shepard dying, as long as it executed to the same standard as the US ending in DA:O (the most epic ending in a game I have ever experienced).

[Sgt Ray Digrus]

It's ok only if it will be an optional ending. People should feel free to play their own stories about Shepard.

[Rusty0918]

Not for every ending, but for some, yes. A la ME2.

[Vaktathi]

I fully expected Shepard to die, living past the ME trilogy would mean Shepard basically lives the rest of her/his life in the shadow of their own past.

That said, wouldn't have been upset as Shepard living either at all, it's just that I expected Shepard to die so it never bothered me either way.

[tanuki]

To die being the only option is fraking stupid, sorry. I don't mind it as an option though. And this topic was beaten to death already to be honest. OPTIONS!

[Dezerte]

I'd be fine with Shepard dying no matter what, as long as the ending made sense and brought closure to one of the most epic journeys in my gaming time ever.

I also think it would be fine if there was an option to survive, which would result in a different ending. Mostly because they make DLC make more sense post-game.

[Total Biscuit]

Of course, as long as it was done well, and was worth the sacrifice, like properly saving the galaxy, not destroying the Relays, and making sure the Normandy and everyone was safe, then just like the brilliant deaths of Mordin and Legion, it would be very satisfying, and exactly what I'd expect some of my Shepards fate would be.

Some being the important bit. SOME, not ALL.

Others should get the rewards they were expecting, the house on Rannoch, the little blue children, the life of war with Grunt.

Choice is the important bit. Hell, it's all that matters.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 22 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[cedgedc]

Vaktathi wrote...

I fully expected Shepard to die, living past the ME trilogy would mean Shepard basically lives the rest of her/his life in the shadow of their own past.

That said, wouldn't have been upset as Shepard living either at all, it's just that I expected Shepard to die so it never bothered me either way.

Same here. We were told from the beginning that this would be the end of Shepard's story. And the whole point of it, the whole moral is that everyone has to be willing to sacrifice and die. That includes shepard.

I'm not saying Shepard must die, I'm just saying- like you- I wasn't realyl surprised. I was sad when I saw my choices, but I just sucked it up and said "Screw that! If I die, I'm taking them with me!" That, my friends, is a good way to go.

[WangGozinya]

I think that there should be multiple endings with him living or dying, based on our decisions in game.

[cedgedc]

Is it just me or is seriously no one in this thread aware that you can survive through the ending?

How many times have larger than life, powerful entities told Shepard that he/she would die? What so the little blue kid says it and suddenly you all believe it?? My Shepard lived.

Modifié par cedgedc, 22 mars 2012 - 04:20 .