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[evisneffo]

devSin wrote...

Nobody should be engaged in "review-bombing". I don't know the extent to which it has gone on (I've never been involved with such a thing), but it definitely has to stop in cases its sole intent is to drive the scores down and reduce sales of the game because of dissatisfaction over the ending (if an individual who played the game feels a low score is appropriate, it is their right to vote as they choose, according to their conscience).

I've never written a review for ME3 but if I did in all honesty the score would suffer because of dissatisfaction with the ending. Not purely on that point alone but because of how that impacts various factors pertaining to the game as a whole (replayability for instance).

Scoring the game low just to make a point, however, is indeed counterproductive.

[CrazyRah]

I will not stop telling people i know to not buy the game UNTIL they're improved/fixed etc. At the same point they're then i will change my stance and stop.
The reviewbombing, never done it and i had no intentions to start either.

I'm keeping an eye on Bioware and what they say and do but right now it's still only PR talk and that's not suprising but it won't change what i do just yet.

[EllOneillE]

I agreee. The extra e is for extra agreement.

Bioware gained its fame for the ability of the player to interact and change the storyline with his choices.
I want the ending to be like that. Like what made me love KOTOR in the first place.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Glad to see more reactions and people agreeing to this. Hope to see some more.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

*Bump*

[TUHD]

/agrees
Awaiting april for any announcements about DLC and such.

[majormajormmajor]

OP: you think you can stop review bombing by asking the Retakers to stop. This will help nothing, they aren't the ones doing the bombing.

That is the general public and diehard anti-Bioware types who've been upset since DA2, Retake has no control over it. The endings are simply hated that much by the general public, despite what ending likers claim

[Timforsgren]

Everyone should read this, and indeed stop review bombing, we shouldn't campaign to destroy bioware.

[Tregon]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Indeed, and I agree. But you have to agree, a significant number of people DID review-bomb, and still do. I do not claim everybody does this. I do, however, suggest that we all acknowledge that it has happened, that it happens, and that, as a group, we will try to prevent it from happening anymore. What individual members end up doing, nobody can control, but at least we can show that, as Bioware is willing to make concessions, so are we.

Just not on our demands.

And I suggest people stop calling giving bad reviews for bad product as "review bombing".
I for one have reviewed game, and I did it honestly. 

If we start dishing out numbers we feel are not deserved, what difference is there between our reviews and those of "journalists" who praise anything to high heavens?

If we are so adamant about need for change, it has to mean game (due to abysmal failure of ending) sucked like vacuum cleaner. Then our reviews should reflect this.

[Lugaidster]

If I remember correctly, the "happy ending" wasn't a requirement. Did I miss something?

[Lugaidster]

Tregon wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Indeed, and I agree. But you have to agree, a significant number of people DID review-bomb, and still do. I do not claim everybody does this. I do, however, suggest that we all acknowledge that it has happened, that it happens, and that, as a group, we will try to prevent it from happening anymore. What individual members end up doing, nobody can control, but at least we can show that, as Bioware is willing to make concessions, so are we.

Just not on our demands.

And I suggest people stop calling giving bad reviews for bad product as "review bombing".
I for one have reviewed game, and I did it honestly. 

If we start dishing out numbers we feel are not deserved, what difference is there between our reviews and those of "journalists" who praise anything to high heavens?

If we are so adamant about need for change, it has to mean game (due to abysmal failure of ending) sucked like vacuum cleaner. Then our reviews should reflect this.

A bad review is not a 0 or 1. I honestly believe, that giving it a 0 or 1 is bombing rather than honest. This game may not deserve a 5 to you, but a 0? That's like a non-game. 

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Tregon wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Indeed, and I agree. But you have to agree, a significant number of people DID review-bomb, and still do. I do not claim everybody does this. I do, however, suggest that we all acknowledge that it has happened, that it happens, and that, as a group, we will try to prevent it from happening anymore. What individual members end up doing, nobody can control, but at least we can show that, as Bioware is willing to make concessions, so are we.

Just not on our demands.

And I suggest people stop calling giving bad reviews for bad product as "review bombing".
I for one have reviewed game, and I did it honestly. 

If we start dishing out numbers we feel are not deserved, what difference is there between our reviews and those of "journalists" who praise anything to high heavens?

If we are so adamant about need for change, it has to mean game (due to abysmal failure of ending) sucked like vacuum cleaner. Then our reviews should reflect this.

Fair reviews are fair.

But a number of people go out of their way to  hunt for places to review, and intentionally give out the lowest possible scores. And that is what I consider review-bombing. And it is this pactice that I urge people to stop doing.

[Tregon]

Lugaidster wrote...

A bad review is not a 0 or 1. I honestly believe, that giving it a 0 or 1 is bombing rather than honest. This game may not deserve a 5 to you, but a 0? That's like a non-game. 

Really? When game ruins THREE games for me, destroys their replay value totally and so forth, that is not non-game? Hell, you are right in some ways, it is ANTI-game. 

I give game 3 or so if it is ok, but nothing special. 5 is for truly great games. And I cannot with clear conscience give either to ME3. I LIKE Skyrim, and would not consider giving anything beyond 4 to it.

[Qutayba]

No one should have review bombed in the first place. It's not a matter of negotiation or concessions. We should just unilaterally not do this. That and the Twitter harassment probably harmed the chances of them deciding to do something with the endings more than anything else.

The passion here is what got them to listen. Destructive tactics make them not want to listen. Destructive tactics turned off people who would otherwise have added their voices. Really, just think about it. When has a troll ever convinced through sheer trollishness?

The only thing Ray asked of us is to be constructive, not destructive.  And we should be doing that not because he asked us, but because it's simply the right thing to do.

Modifié par Qutayba, 23 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Lugaidster]

Tregon wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

A bad review is not a 0 or 1. I honestly believe, that giving it a 0 or 1 is bombing rather than honest. This game may not deserve a 5 to you, but a 0? That's like a non-game. 

Really? When game ruins THREE games for me, destroys their replay value totally and so forth, that is not non-game? Hell, you are right in some ways, it is ANTI-game. 

I give game 3 or so if it is ok, but nothing special. 5 is for truly great games. And I cannot with clear conscience give either to ME3. I LIKE Skyrim, and would not consider giving anything beyond 4 to it.

So you didn't enjoy the game before the ending? You had NO FUN AT ALL??

PS: Considering the score you'd give a game you like being so low, I'd say you're biased so it really makes no point in arguing it. Mass Effect 3 is gardly a game that deserves a 3 out of 10. But, then again, it's subjective. People do review bombings however, and it has been done to Mass Effect 3. Like giving it a 1 out of 10 for DLC or gay partners or whatever.

[Tregon]

Lugaidster wrote...

So you didn't enjoy the game before the ending? You had NO FUN AT ALL??

PS: Considering the score you'd give a game you like being so low, I'd say you're biased so it really makes no point in arguing it. Mass Effect 3 is gardly a game that deserves a 3 out of 10. But, then again, it's subjective. People do review bombings however, and it has been done to Mass Effect 3. Like giving it a 1 out of 10 for DLC or gay partners or whatever.

I have 1-5 in terms of games. Not 1-10. Most sites I frequent use this scale. 

And game being fun before ending is irrelevant, what matters to me is the feeling AFTER I finish the game. That defines the game, excellent way to wrap up things can save mediocre game. And in case of ME3 it is absolute opposite. 

"Enjoy the journey"... That is BS IMO. Journey which you cannot end because it ends so horribly is not journey worth travelling. Try to imagine a movie which purposefully flops the ending as badly as it can...  Would you not consider that a total failure?

[din626]

I agree wholeheartedly with this, and as the video reviewer for the The Vanguard Project and as a member of the RTM movement I promise not to review bomb this game, or any of it's content-based DLC.

In fact so far I have not.

[JunMadine]

I agree OP. I will hold the line.

[ImmovableMover]

I have not review bombed, nor should anybody...Ever; Review bombing is little more than lying about the quality of a game to a childish degree to make a point. No matter how crap the ending was, even if it was 100x crappier, the game was still Brilliant for the previous 34 hours of my play-through...to give it a 1 or a 2 out of 10 based on the last 15 minutes is powerfully stupid.

That being said I have not held back on my opinions on the game to my friends and I've been vocal about my opinion - Mass Effect 3 is a brilliant game...just stop playing it when you reach london because you'll be disappointed with everything that follows.

[BARRAGE 74]

A disciplined movement is an effective movement.  Holding the line.

Modifié par BARRAGE 74, 23 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[Biotic Budah]

I think everyone can agree that all but the last 10 minutes of the game was just big time awesome. Also, Forbes made a good point in saying that some reviewers may not have actually replayed the game to see that all the endings were pretty much the same.

I think the Retake campaign overall has been quite respectful in regards to how it has approached the situation.

I also agree that we should all insist that before any DLC comes out a better ending DLC should come first.

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

I'm a curious guy.
I totally respect your position.
I love to see how much you're passionate and active for something you love.
Really, much much much respect.

But at the same time I support the Indoc theory.
And I think that an ending on the disc after what I thhink it's an indoc moment wouldn't have been so powerful narratively speaking.
If the ending was just a big decepttive ending from the beginning and everything was for real into Bioware plans...how would you react?

[Scoob]

Concessions? Never! Hold the line dammit! If BW wants to get dirty, i definitely ain't compromising!

[Shinobu]

I like this post, but I don't think the Retake movement can control whether or not people review bomb. I don't believe most of us in the movement have review bombed. I am waiting to review the game until we get some closure on the situation either way. We can actively *discourage* people from review bombing or voice disapproval of the tactic when it comes up, but promising not to do so will just encourage trolling when some idiot brags he review bombed.

"Oh, you guys promised you wouldn't do it, but someone did! You're all whiny liars!"
US: "That guy isn't with us!"
BSN: "Yeah, right!"

But if we agree to publicly speak out against the practice, that is different.

Be civil, be firm. Hold the line.

Modifié par Shinobu, 23 mars 2012 - 12:04 .