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[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Many thanks and *bump*

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

*Bump*

[Asuka Bianchini]

*bump*

[WarChicken78]

Avatar231278 wrote...

Oh I still rate ME3 (and 1 and 2) as LEGEN....

wait for it....

....DARY!

With additional unlimited thanks to Mark Meer, Jenifer Hale, Ali Hillis, Seth Green, Keith David and the other voice actors. Furthermore to the wirters for some ASTONISHING dialogues like "what kind of guns does this thing have?" - "It's a taxi. It's got a fare meter!" - i laughed my ass off repeatedly, as well I was moved to tears several times.

I am still a huge fan, although I want an epilogue that deserves the name epilogue. The stuff we got is hardly an "ep". i am missing the "ilogue".

You da man! Exactly my opinion.
All 3 Mass Effects are fantastic. The only part, that doesn't have that quality (yet) is the very end of ME3.
The sad thing is, that exactly that part is the worst possible point to have a drop in quality.

I'd love to see an Ending DLC. Just to be able to close the final chapter of this wonderful series and to be able to play it again.

[SpideyKnight]

I support holding the line, but let's be fair.  Your list of demands far exceeds theirs.  You're asking for a Yacht and offering and apple.  Any business man can see right through you.  This isn't a trade, it's robbery.  

We need to be able to negotiate far more than that.  We are asking for content.  The content in the game necessitates this content, but it is content that needs to be developed nonetheless.  Content costs money to develop, particularly if you want it done right, with voice performances and whatnot.  So, while review bombing needs to stop immediately, and never should've happened in the first place.  We also need to be able to discuss whether we will purchase this content, how much we are willing to spend, what concessions can be made to get it out in a timely manner(some will have Bio developing this stuff for a year and that's just unreasonable), what content we are willing to accept(storyboards like the end of BG2 and DA:O?  I'll accept storyboards.), and a plethora of other concerns.  The problem here is really this.  This isn't a bargaining table, the other side won't show, so know that you have chips, you just need to use them intelligently.  Review bombing and other childish antics will not get us what we want.  We need poignant and concise adult interaction here.  Anything less will result in something less than optimal and if that is the outcome then there's really no need to even bother.

My father says it best: "If you're going to do something, do it right or not at all.  It takes no more time to do it right on the first go round, than it does to have to do it twice because you half-assed it in the beginning."

[SpideyKnight]

Also, bumping will get the thread locked, say your piece and contribute to the discussion or go on about your business.

[trifecta739]

The varied endings and making are choices matter seem to be what they are not quite "getting" based on the Twitter posts I've seen from them. That's the point we need to drive. I agree, OP.

[LdyBelial]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

--snip--

With regards, Samuel Valkyrie

Everything the original poster said.  I can do.  Thanks Samuel Valkyrie!

[GuardianAngel470]

Here's an idea: How about we actively counter the review bombing? There's at least 50,000 of us right? If we all left 4 or 5 star reviews on Amazon and 8-10 reviews on Metacritic, we could show that we agree that the practice is broken.

Of course we stop doing that when the score reaches a reasonable point, like a 3.5 or 4 on Amazon or a 7.5 or 8 on Metacritic.

We prove we ackowledge their game is mostly good and help repair the damage to their business.

Of course, I'd really only be willing to do that in April when we get more news on this. As it stands I take issue with the circuitous and slightly disengenuous PR approach they are taking.

I believe the person at fault should be the first to move and so far all the review bombing is a response to Bioware.

[AwesomeDudex64]

SpideyKnight wrote...

Also, bumping will get the thread locked, say your piece and contribute to the discussion or go on about your business.

Doubt it. Bioware wouldn't want its moderators locking threads that are in favor of their reputation.

[katamuro]

Bump?

[LdyBelial]

SpideyKnight wrote...

I support holding the line, but let's be fair.  Your list of demands far exceeds theirs.  You're asking for a Yacht and offering and apple.  Any business man can see right through you.  This isn't a trade, it's robbery.  

We need to be able to negotiate far more than that.  We are asking for content.  The content in the game necessitates this content, but it is content that needs to be developed nonetheless.  Content costs money to develop, particularly if you want it done right, with voice performances and whatnot.  So, while review bombing needs to stop immediately, and never should've happened in the first place.  We also need to be able to discuss whether we will purchase this content, how much we are willing to spend, what concessions can be made to get it out in a timely manner(some will have Bio developing this stuff for a year and that's just unreasonable), what content we are willing to accept(storyboards like the end of BG2 and DA:O?  I'll accept storyboards.), and a plethora of other concerns.  The problem here is really this.  This isn't a bargaining table, the other side won't show, so know that you have chips, you just need to use them intelligently.  Review bombing and other childish antics will not get us what we want.  We need poignant and concise adult interaction here.  Anything less will result in something less than optimal and if that is the outcome then there's really no need to even bother.

My father says it best: "If you're going to do something, do it right or not at all.  It takes no more time to do it right on the first go round, than it does to have to do it twice because you half-assed it in the beginning."

Personally, and this isn't me being mean to BioWare, it is just how I feel -- I feel they robbed me.  So I respectfully disagree that what I want is robbing them in turn.  They implied one thing then gave me something else entirely.  I have a right to be upset.  

BioWare may not realize it, but more than a handful -- closer to four handfuls actually -- of the folks I know have already given up on them and gotten refunds for their games.  I have only been able to stop about 12 of them from doing this and it has taken a lot of my time and patience dealing with each of them, trying to get them to calm down and keep their faith in BioWare.  I still lost a substantial amount anyway.  I think that is a fair amount of investment on my part considering...  Do I wish I could have convinced more?  YES!  We could have used them in our cause.  Now however, the majority of them will never buy BioWare products again and they will not trust me when I promote games either.  I will have to earn that trust back, and it could take years to do that.  Cold hard reality can suck.

Second thing, I have no issue with buying Endings (<-- note plural and NOT a "clarification" of the current ending) DLC.  I am also willing to pay as much for that as I did the game if that will help make it happen but... it has to be what I want.  Of course... I can't speak for other fans that feel that the game should have come with them in the first place and they are not happy with the idea of buying DLC to fix what they feel is broken.  However...  I will be happy to do my best to convince them otherwise -- should BioWare actually come through on real endings.

What is it that I want?  Simple really;  I want exactly what I was given in ME1 and 2.  I want to direct my story the way I could in both of those games.  In interview after interview this is what BioWare employees have promised and inferred from the onset.  This is the very reason why I was so willing to promote ME3!  I believed wholeheartedly in BioWare.

I want multiple endings based off of the choices I make during my game play.  I want a happy ever after ending, I want a mediocre ending, I want a "whoops I totally messed up" ending and I think it only fair to offer up the "I wanna sacrifice my Shepard to be the big darn Hero" ending too.  I also want to experience every last one of them like I did in ME2!  

I WANT RE-PLAYABILITY!!!

Third - I will happily influence my friends and readers to buy Mass Effect -- 1 and 2.  Once they fix the ending of ME3 to my satisfaction I will promote ME3 again.  But until that time?  I'm sorry... I misled them once already with all my hype of ME3 for months before its release.  I will not do that again.  I have to keep faith with my friends and readers: In order for me to do that, I have to be honest and upfront with them.  

I don't want them to invest in ME3 with the ending the way it is, because I already know they aren't going to like it.  Some of you may argue how could I know this for a fact?  I've seen the fallout firsthand, in my face, of those I convinced to invest in the first place.

Look, I know my friends, I know my readers.  I’ve spent hours on the phone, in IM’s, emails and private messages with many of them.  I've known most of the people in my circles for many, many years now.  That's why I do what I do.  That's the whole reason they read me to begin with!  There is a reason they invest their time with me.  And it isn't so that I can feed them lines of lies and/or potential promises.  I won't do that to them.  I can't.  Some have already lost faith in me -- I won't continue to perpetuate that cycle.  And let me be brutally honest here – a lot of the people I deal with are gamers, role-players’ specifically.  I know what they want… and ME3 doesn’t yet deliver.  When/If it does?  Then I will be happy to go back to promoting it. 

Lan

P.S. I am doing the best to keep those in my circles interested in supporting the Retake Movement updated and involved through my blog.  If you have links, images, information that can be verified let me know!  PM me here or check my link in my sig.  Thank you!

Modifié par LdyBelial, 24 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[mrpoultry]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

*Bump*

I appreciate what you're doing here but please stop making posts just saying *bump* it is considered spam and will result in thread getting locked. I don't want that because I support this thread so please encourage others not to as well.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

mrpoultry wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

*Bump*

I appreciate what you're doing here but please stop making posts just saying *bump* it is considered spam and will result in thread getting locked. I don't want that because I support this thread so please encourage others not to as well.

I understand, but, sadly, I can only say so many things without resorting to complete nonsense. I rather be honest about what I am doing, than do that.

[Xandax]

Expressing your view on a website dedicated to people expressing their views isn't review bombing.

Modifié par Xandax, 24 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Expressing a view, no. But, first of all, the game isn't a 1 on a scale of 1-to-10, and second of all, creating multiple accounts and going out of your way to find as many places where you can 'express your view', if you know what I mean...wellm that is.

[PaulusAugustus]

I agree with the OP statement.

Moreover, I'd also like an explanation as to why, in the lead-up to ME3's release, game development staff all said that the choices throughout ME1,2 and 3 would directly effect the ending and we would get widely varying endings based on these choices and then reneged on that. Am I right, or alone, in thinking this aspect is what has fans upset more than the actual ending itself?

Modifié par PaulusAugustus, 24 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[Geirahod]

Thank you Samuel and I agree with you.

"Ah yes, choices" "We have dismissed those claims"
It bugges me that this game has no re-playability, I mean there's no point of playing it again if you are going to have the same crappy and poor writed ending.
Let's hope that there's a new ending that adresses all our choices....not some random fix.

[1490]

Good to see a solid set of demands that pretty much everybody can agree on. Even if it's not EXACTLY what every player wants individually, it gives a few universal thing we can tell Bioware so that they can create an ending that appeals to MOST fans.

[JulienJaden]

You might want to change the part in brackets to:

(All RetakeME3-ers and BioWare employees, please read)

Since they should see what we expect of them.

Modifié par JulienJaden, 24 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Motherlander]

In the end I will vote with my money.

If the endings are any good, then I will probably buy DLC, etc. If they are not, then i will keep my money and Bioware can keep their "artistic" ending.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

JulienJaden wrote...

You might want to change the part in brackets to:

(All RetakeME3-ers and BioWare employees, please read)

Since they should see what we expect of them.

Done.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

PaulusAugustus wrote...

I agree with the OP statement.

Moreover, I'd also like an explanation as to why, in the lead-up to ME3's release, game development staff all said that the choices throughout ME1,2 and 3 would directly effect the ending and we would get widely varying endings based on these choices and then reneged on that. Am I right, or alone, in thinking this aspect is what has fans upset more than the actual ending itself?

Well, part of the problem is the false (or so we feel) promises. But mreo than that, Bioware has made a name for itself with player agency. Taking away that player agency, even if Bioware had said "there will only be one ending", that is the crux of the matter. We want our player agency. We want our choices to matter. That is our most important request, and, in fact, the other two are linked to it.

So, having said that two of our requests will be dealed with is very good news. However, it's like asking for a Big Mac or Whopper, and all you get is the bread and the vegetables and sauce. Very nice, very tasty, but, really, what's it all worth without, you know, the meat?

Sure, some people are OK with a burger without meat, but most consider the meat the most integral part of the burger, and without it, well...it's nice, but not exactly what we asked for.

[runwhileucan]

Merge the ending DLC with the take back Omega DLC and we will buy that as a compromise rather than it being free. I see that as fair.

[Al Fifino]

Avatar231278 wrote...

Oh I still rate ME3 (and 1 and 2) as LEGEN....

wait for it....

....DARY!

With additional unlimited thanks to Mark Meer, Jenifer Hale, Ali Hillis, Seth Green, Keith David and the other voice actors. Furthermore to the wirters for some ASTONISHING dialogues like "what kind of guns does this thing have?" - "It's a taxi. It's got a fare meter!" - i laughed my ass off repeatedly, as well I was moved to tears several times.

I am still a huge fan, although I want an epilogue that deserves the name epilogue. The stuff we got is hardly an "ep". i am missing the "ilogue".

Couldn't have it said better.