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[Spectre-00N7]

we are not here for just clarity and closure, but an ending that factors in our choices and makes logical sense.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

I think this is exactly the kind of post we needed, and need to keep near the top for more Retake ME3 members to see.

Personally I think our recommendations for buying the game should still be "Don't Buy It", because as it is we need as much influence as we can afford. Plus, its not like Bioware has made any concessions aside from vague mentions of providing more clarity and closure.

That may seem like a lot, and it is compared to what they have given us so far. However, they've barely been acknowledging us at all as it is. We don't need to take every comment they make as a godsend.

We can't afford to be to lenient, this is going to be a close battle.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Here's an idea: How about we actively counter the review bombing? There's at least 50,000 of us right? If we all left 4 or 5 star reviews on Amazon and 8-10 reviews on Metacritic, we could show that we agree that the practice is broken.

Of course we stop doing that when the score reaches a reasonable point, like a 3.5 or 4 on Amazon or a 7.5 or 8 on Metacritic.

We prove we ackowledge their game is mostly good and help repair the damage to their business.

Of course, I'd really only be willing to do that in April when we get more news on this. As it stands I take issue with the circuitous and slightly disengenuous PR approach they are taking.

I believe the person at fault should be the first to move and so far all the review bombing is a response to Bioware.

I agree about the Review bombing as long as we wait until April, if this battle finishes in our favor the least we could do is help rebuild.  Would show the respect we have to Bioware, as much as some people think we don't have any.

[effortname]

If you stop acting rowdy, you lose all leverage you had. That's a dumb idea.

Modifié par effortname, 25 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[Alamar2078]

I'll restate my current opinion:

At this point we do not have enough information to warrant doing anything different. This means don't play ME3, let BW know in a civil manner what you want, let other players know the real truth of what's going on, etc.

At this point I am willing to make one concession .... I am willing to pay for an ending DLC. Additional clarification and/or closure on the existing endings gets BW 0$ from me. On the other extreme if BW gives us what they promised + a variety of endings from at least somewhat happy to downright sad + a kick butt epilogue I'd pay 30$ or so just for endings [I don't need additional game play / levels / critters to kill].

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Psythorn wrote...

Review bombing. Naming it like this is biased - don't you think ?

If the ending ruined the game experience to someone so badly that he won't touch ME3 again (and even needs time to recover to start playing games at all) then I feel it's completely justified to give the game a very bad review. And even if I find it strange myself HOW deeply emotional some people are about the ending I can understand them as ME managed to make me involved and feel with Shep and the NPCs - just not to that extend so it did not hit me that bad but still I planned to replay me1 - me2 after playing through me3 and then me3 again - trying out different choices. I do not feel the need to do so now.

However: If someone uses multiple accounts to drive down the rating of the game just because he is able to - then yes - that's really a bad thing.

So here is my position on this:
I rated ME3 3/5 stars at amazon - I feel like this is a fair rating. I loved the game but the last 10 minutes ruined it for me. I cleary explained why I rated this way in the review. 3/5 is better then neutral. And I'm willing to change my review if I see it fit (ending dlc). I did so ONE time and that's it. Is that what you call review bombing ?
If everyone that felt the same would do the same - would that justify calling it review bombing. I do not think so.

Please try to understand my point:
I do not beleive any second that Bioware does make games for the pure love of games. And I second that for EA. And I have no issue with that - but that doesn't make it less true. So if I want to make them do something about it I need to motivate them to do so. The only means I have so it to make them feel fun or pain ( please do not take this "physical" ). It's not that easy to make them feel "fun" as I already bought the game but I'm clearly signalling that I WILL buy ending dlc (so this should be fun). That leaves me with "pain". So YES I had an intention when I did that review - but still I tried to be fair, honest and it is my opinion. Do you suppose that I keep quiet just because I know that my opinion might hurt (and thus motivate to react ?).

And just because I feel it is important: Bioware - you managed to get many people emotionally involved in your game - get them care - so the storm this ending is causing is actually a big compliment.

This explains "review-bombing" perfectly.  Making multiple accounts and using 1star ratings to down a game is wrong, obviously.  It's also not what the vast majority of Retake members are doing.  Of course there will be a few people who do that and things like it, there always are.  If a customer finds a product dis-tasteful and decides to make an honest review (in his/her eyes), it's perfectly within their right to do so.  

The behavior of Retake, especially considering it is a dis-organized internet group, has been anything but rowdy.  Civil would be a more suitable word.  There have of course been people who have in fact been rowdy, but there always are.  You should stop looking at individuals of a group and look at the group as a whole.

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 25 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[Tarkus 5]

Keep The Peace.........but .....Hold the Line.......................

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

A fair review is fair. Review-bombing is not. As I said before, if we distance ourselves from the review-bombing as a practice, that shows us our good will.

[Kanner]

Can anyone think of a really good game that got review bombed?

So long as the game's final score is a fair reflection of whether someone should buy it or not, scoring it 0/10 or 10/10 is more or less a purely academic affair.

I don't have a problem with anyone who had to sit through that ending clicking zero. Or, let's say, I have MUCH LESS of a problem with that than I do with professional reviewers giving the game 9/10.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

The truth of the matter is, that Bioware asked for this. So, whether you believe it is a problem or not, doesn't really matter. What matters is that we need to distance ourselves from it.

[majormajormmajor]

It doesn't matter whether you distance yourself from it or not- I, as a video game journalist, will spin it in such a way that you, a vocal minority, are responsible for this.

[guyfromprague]

Agreed.
Hold the line.

[DVZ]

Enough people will buy the game for EA/Bioware to ignore most of our demands.

[Kyuso]

A decent list all around.

While I disagree with reviewing negatively simply to do it, I don't disagree with an honest negative review. As I've explained to my friends, ME3 was at once the best and worst game I've ever played. For many people the ending did ruin what was an otherwise stellar game, and the feedback does reflect that, for good or ill.

Right now, I can't recommend the game to anyone in good faith because 1) I know how bitterly disappointed they'll be at the end, 2) because while we have some vague PR speak regarding clarification, we have no guarantees that we are getting what we requested, and 3) we have no way of knowing if this clarification will be acceptable or even coherent. I don't even want to tell them to wait for DLC. I just want them to avoid the franchise at all costs and I'm making that known. I have lost any faith I had in BioWare at this point and unfortunately this is the repercussion of a dissatisfied consumer.

Modifié par Kyuso, 25 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[ramenbito]

Shameless dance crazy bump.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

And I still want everybody to read this.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

This forum does move extremely fast, doesn't it?

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

*Last and final bump*

[sizuka2]

No review bombing here - just an honest assessment of where it is with the ending it is. (not a zero, but certainly not a ten). If there's a reason to alter that opinion, gladly!

If there's a promise that someday there might be an expansion or explanation which might address some of the concerns raised... no. Those words are empty.

[Jackal7713]

Agreed. Great post OP.

[Jackal7713]

Bump

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Still relevant.