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[Descy_]

Yup.
Too much proof in favor of it. I accept no other ending.

[OdanUrr]

This thread's asking for trouble, I'm afraid.

[ashwind]

No. There is even less sense in the Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard at that moment than anything I have seen.

Why why why in the heavens would the Reapers want to do that? Harbinger just wanna rub it in? Harbinger has nothing better to do?

Edit: -possible spoiler removed-

Modifié par ashwind, 22 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[TheNevincer]

It's an awesome concept. The latest video alone shows that. It's sad that as clever as it is, it's clearly not what Bioware planned nor are willing to implement.

[MystaisPC]

My issue is that Anderson states he came up to the Citadel in a different room which may have been closer to the central console than Shephard and he was not as injured as Shep so probably moved faster *shrug*... and... the Prothean AI in the Cerberus HQ stated that the Illusive Man had left there and headed to the Citadel.

So both Anderson and the Illusive Man were probably there for real.

[Descy_]

MystaisPC wrote...

My issue is that Anderson states he came up to the Citadel in a different room which may have been closer to the central console than Shephard and he was not as injured as Shep so probably moved faster *shrug*... and... the Prothean AI in the Cerberus HQ stated that the Illusive Man had left there and headed to the Citadel.

So both Anderson and the Illusive Man were probably there for real.

There was only one entrance to the room though, Anderson would have had to pass shepard.

[naledgeborn is back]

Yes. Not saying it's real or anything, but it is a mind**** and in a good way, if they do indeed decide to run with it.

[DouLou]

Do I like the Indoctronation theory?

Do I want Shepards heroic sacrifice to save the fate of organic life and change the galaxy forever be a dream, and reduce him to being a puppet for The Reapers?

[Arkitekt]

It's an astounding concept. I am amazed by it.

Not by the "indoc theory", mind you, but how it completely won over so many people despite it being massively ludicrous and horrible from any creative standpoint.

It's so reminiscent of the UFO sightings, the Elvis stuff, etc., that I think it's like an example of a backdoor trap for the human mind's gullibility towards the ridiculous

[Descy_]

Arkitekt wrote...

It's an astounding concept. I am amazed by it.

Not by the "indoc theory", mind you, but how it completely won over so many people despite it being massively ludicrous and horrible from any creative standpoint.

It's so reminiscent of the UFO sightings, the Elvis stuff, etc., that I think it's like an example of a backdoor trap for the human mind's gullibility towards the ridiculous

Yeah, because who even believes proof when they see it.

[Geoman3]

Embracing the indoc-theory is the best thing Bioware can do IMHO.

Modifié par Geoman3, 22 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[naledgeborn is back]

Uh... Someone is sipping the intellectual superiority juice. If the dream sequences weren't part of the game I'd agree with you, Arkitekt. However not only is there one but three. The only ridiculousness I see here is the sheer volume of hard-headedness declaring "No way in hell can it possibly work!"

Modifié par naledgeborn is back, 22 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[J.C. Blade]

No. I do not like it. Nor do I like the idea that opting to preserve the newly formed peace between the quarians and the geth, as well as Edi (by means of either Control or Synthesis) in fact lands you into shooting yourself in the foot.

I can accept the Reapers trying to reach out to Shepard through those dreams but straight out Shepard being already indoctrinated? No. Just no.

Not to mention that the Protean VI immediately called on Kai Leng on being indoctrinated while it talked to Shepard both in the Temple, as well as in Cerberus base.

It's like trying to explain those little movements in shadows you see from the corner of your eye. There is nothing in there. There could be but 90% of the time there isn't. And if in fact such DLC does make an appearance I'll ignore its existence entirely.

[DouLou]

Arkitekt wrote...

It's an astounding concept. I am amazed by it.

Not by the "indoc theory", mind you, but how it completely won over so many people despite it being massively ludicrous and horrible from any creative standpoint.

It's so reminiscent of the UFO sightings, the Elvis stuff, etc., that I think it's like an example of a backdoor trap for the human mind's gullibility towards the ridiculous

I'm never amazed by what people will buy. Imagine if the Indoc theory was a stock ending in the original release! People would be outraged!

[MystaisPC]

Descy_ wrote...

MystaisPC wrote...

My issue is that Anderson states he came up to the Citadel in a different room which may have been closer to the central console than Shephard and he was not as injured as Shep so probably moved faster *shrug*... and... the Prothean AI in the Cerberus HQ stated that the Illusive Man had left there and headed to the Citadel.

So both Anderson and the Illusive Man were probably there for real.

There was only one entrance to the room though, Anderson would have had to pass shepard.

If you are referring to the corpse room then no there are probably many. Even Anderson says he is also in a dark hallway filled with corpses. I do not see them cramming all the corpses of London into that one little room Shaphard was in.  As far as entrances to the console room then chalk that up to theatrics and shifting walls.

[BobbyDylan]

Geoman3 wrote...

Embracing the indoc-theory is the best thing Bioware can do IMHO.

This.

It's the only thing that does not cheapen the whole series and the efforts and sacrifices of the characters.

[Descy_]

J.C. Blade wrote...


Not to mention that the Protean VI immediately called on Kai Leng on being indoctrinated while it talked to Shepard both in the Temple

* The effects were early at that point, so the VI wouldnt have picked up on it.



, as well as in Cerberus base.

*TIM disabled the VI's indoc detector, which is how he was able to get the info from it. Because he did that, Shep could talk to it.

[Dezdecaydance]

I love the indoctrination theory.it adds a much needed twist and hell....nobody seen it coming.so yes the end of the game being Shepard being tricked into indoctrinatiom is awesome.but u only beat the indoctrination if u make the right choice....which I didnt do the first time.my first play through ends with my female Shepard getting indoctrinated....synthesis...smh it seemed so right.

[MadRabbit999]

I like it.? Yes

Do I believe in it? I do not know.

Would you be happy if it turns out to be right? Yes

[naledgeborn is back]

Dezdecaydance wrote...

I love the indoctrination theory.it adds a much needed twist and hell....nobody seen it coming.so yes the end of the game being Shepard being tricked into indoctrinatiom is awesome.but u only beat the indoctrination if u make the right choice....which I didnt do the first time.my first play through ends with my female Shepard getting indoctrinated....synthesis...smh it seemed so right.

I applaude your candor. You picked Synthesis yet you support IT. 

[J.C. Blade]

Descy_ wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...


Not to mention that the Protean VI immediately called on Kai Leng on being indoctrinated while it talked to Shepard both in the Temple

* The effects were early at that point, so the VI wouldnt have picked up on it.



, as well as in Cerberus base.

*TIM disabled the VI's indoc detector, which is how he was able to get the info from it. Because he did that, Shep could talk to it.

- Early? Thessia is one mission shy of Cerberus base. And I doubt the Protheans would have created an Vi with such sensitive data and not made it super-sensitive to indoctrination. Critical information depended on it.

- He disabled the protective protocols for it to share information. No where does it say it can no longer detect indoctrination.

He cracked the

[Launcifer]

Not really, not, but I could have coped with it if it had been concluded far more elegantly than it was in the game (assuming that was the intention which, frankly, I'm not entirely sure I believe). And, no, I'm not talking about it being made blatantly obvious, but rather lass jarring in terms of the writing.

[AshenSugar]

Like?

I adore it. I'd like to take it home with me, seduce it, and then make mad, passionate love to it!

If Bioware actually ever went for this, and had the balls to pull it off, it would be one of the most audacious and unforgettable moves in gaming history - effectively indoctrinating all their fans...