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[Milan92]

Hell yeah I like it!

[Monaters]

No. I'd rather have the RGB space magic endings.

[Iron Ranger]

Its rather the IT theory or admitting Bioware is not an adult AAA gaming developer.

Tail's gift... lazy or short of time/money
Exact same ending cut scenes .... same
4th Mass Effect book... recalled due to lore (lazy?) Issues
Lead writer heading over to TOR half way into ME 3 production... bad planing (ran out if money/time?)

I hope the IT is right otherwise ME 3 got the short end of the stick.

[Lee T]

I think it's a well made theory. But it's a theory. I think it's fun because it takes advantage of pretty much every plotholes and weirdness.

I also like it a lot because the "created vs creator" theme seems more like a background them to me, at least a lot less central than the indoctrination (I also really do not like the nihilistic "solutions" proposed by the game).

It also makes sense for the reapers to try indoctrinating Shepard and a big victory worthy of a game ending for Shepard to be able to resist.

TheDragonPrincess wrote...

I just don't think it would be so great... I mean, Shep being puppet for the reapers?

as the IT works it's more about the reapers trying to make Shep their puppets and (depending on your choice) succeeding or not.

[DouLou]

AshenSugar wrote...

Like?

I adore it. I'd like to take it home with me, seduce it, and then make mad, passionate love to it!

If Bioware actually ever went for this, and had the balls to pull it off, it would be one of the most audacious and unforgettable moves in gaming history - effectively indoctrinating all their fans...

Except the problem is it will never have been their original intention. It would of been fan made, and then adopted into canon to placate the raging hoards.

Unforgettable isn't the right word, but it's the first word that comes to mind.

[kalle90]

DouLou wrote...

Do I like the Indoctronation theory?

Do I want Shepards heroic sacrifice to save the fate of organic life and change the galaxy forever be a dream, and reduce him to being a puppet for The Reapers?

In the end Saren and TIM came through. Shepard could also fight it enough to do a difference.

[Arkitekt]

Descy_ wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

It's an astounding concept. I am amazed by it.

Not by the "indoc theory", mind you, but how it completely won over so many people despite it being massively ludicrous and horrible from any creative standpoint.

It's so reminiscent of the UFO sightings, the Elvis stuff, etc., that I think it's like an example of a backdoor trap for the human mind's gullibility towards the ridiculous

Yeah, because who even believes proof when they see it.

You keep using that word "proof". I don't think you know what it means.

[Corbinus]

No. Why? It takes  away the little choice I already have.
Control\\Synthesis\\Destroy Well, not great, but I ll take it. I am gonna Control Reapers from now on and do some good for the galaxy.
Destroy\\Indoctrination - you call this a choice? This is bull****. I m not gonna commit genocide even in my dream. Nor do i want to be indoctrinated, thank you very much.

Modifié par Corbinus, 22 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[J.C. Blade]

Corbinus wrote...

No. Why? It takes  away the little choice I already have.
ControlSynthesisDestroy Well, not great, but I ll take it. I am gonna Control Reapers from now on and do some good for the galaxy.
DestroyIndoctrination - you call this a choice? This is bull****. I m not gonna commit genocide even in my dream.

^ This. All the way.

[Galbrant]

With the evidence that Angry Joe and ACAVYOS video, I find it hard to understand people to dismiss the claim out right. I'm going out on a limb and say they haven't watch either videos. If Bioware have this plan from the beginning good game. But Don't make me pay for what was promise when the game was released.

[J.C. Blade]

Galbrant wrote...

With the evidence that Angry Joe and ACAVYOS video, I find it hard to understand people to dismiss the claim out right. I'm going out on a limb and say they haven't watch either videos. If Bioware have this plan from the beginning good game. But Don't make me pay for what was promise when the game was released.

I watched both and never have I seen such grasping for straws. The fans have gone with fine-tooth comb to try and explain why the endings are such as they are. However, I will say that if Bioware does a DLC/Indoctrination it will be precisly because of the fans' meticulous effort to explain everything.

I see it as Bioware simply messing the writting up and down. I'm sorry, but Mass Effect series is not the Longest Journey of Action/RPG genre in its  attention to details.

[CaptnZoricus]

Galbrant wrote...

With the evidence that Angry Joe and ACAVYOS video, I find it hard to understand people to dismiss the claim out right. I'm going out on a limb and say they haven't watch either videos. If Bioware have this plan from the beginning good game. But Don't make me pay for what was promise when the game was released.

Let folks dismiss it, I'll hold on to the belief that they planned for some sort of epilogue DLC. If it wasnt for those creepy dreams I would probably dismiss the IT claims as well. But there is enough substantial evidence to back up those claims. It's the only thing that makes sense because those ending sequences sure don't.

[mybudgee]

Sten: NO

[redplague]

I don't know why people keep going on about this theory when I've already dis-proven it, as stated in my topic 'Indoctrination theory debunked'.

[joejoe099]

i'm 75/25 on if it's real or not, but one major thing keeps telling me it's true without a doubt; the fact that the destroy ending is the only one with a special cinematic of which shepard is some how still alive in rubble. and remember, bioware games ALWAYS have some sort of huge twist, but give subtle hints as to what it is through their games.

[kalle90]

redplague wrote...

I don't know why people keep going on about this theory when I've already dis-proven it, as stated in my topic 'Indoctrination theory debunked'.

If we have no hope, we have nothing
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[bobito64]

DouLou wrote...

Except the problem is it will never have been their original intention. It would of been fan made, and then adopted into canon to placate the raging hoards.

Unforgettable isn't the right word, but it's the first word that comes to mind.

It would be nothing of the kind. The indoctrination theory is an interpretation of clues that have been put there by the developers. If the theory is correct then the developers put those clues there with the intent of using the plotline.

redplague wrote...

I don't know why people keep going on about this theory when I've already dis-proven it, as stated in my topic 'Indoctrination theory debunked'.

 

Nope. You made one small observation that poses a question about one of the many clues. That's all.

Modifié par bobito64, 22 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[JunMadine]

I find that it could work when you look for the evidence. I personally think that the game can end fine without that being part of the ending. It still has merit.

[SimonM72]

Yes I like it, and think unless a total re-write is on the cards or the endings redux dlc is going to be a half-hearted codex and cutscenes explanational effort - that it is the only way open to the full endings players are expecting.

[blackangel209]

For 2 reasons:

1. I like the idea that even Shepard is vulnerable to indoctrination. Some people still seem to think of him/her as this god-like hero, but the only reason Shepard is special at all is because of the Prothean beacon.

2. It's the only thing that makes sense of the ending in a reasonable way.

Modifié par blackangel209, 22 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[ZackG312]

TO those who dont like, can you explain why or would you just like the ending to be terrible because of bad writing

[_symphony]

I liked it, but is already evident that it wasn't BioWare's intention all along. And even if it was, still it lacks a proper ending.

[Sherbet Lemon]

 I don't agree with that interpretation, but I support anyone's right to read the game how they seem fit.  It really should be all for fun anyway.  In other words, I don't agree with or even like it, but I would happily support anyone's right to believe it.

It is certainly plausible and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 22 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[Tovanus]

blackangel209 wrote...

For 2 reasons:

1. I like the idea that even Shepard is vulnerable to indoctrination. Some people still seem to think of him/her as this god-like hero, but the only reason Shepard is special at all is because of the Prothean beacon.

2. It's the only thing that makes sense of the ending in a reasonable way.

Yup. Bioware didn't intend it, but the sad thing is the ending they did intend to be taken at face value simply has MORE plotholes, giant gaping ones that demean the entire series. In the non-spoiler forum, I think a lot of people just don't quite get how terrible the ending is when taken at face value.