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[CROAT_56]

I could see it being the case. The Codex says rapid indoctrination really messes with a human mind that is why I could see it happening in the last 10 min of the game

[TomekN86]

Honestly, "the ending" makes sense only when considered the indoctronation theory. I just cannot accept the fact that Bioware would purposely made such terribly written, nonsensical finale.

[Nab20]

SPOILER :

If Shepard is still in the plain after he got hit by the laser then why he's suddenly surrended by debris that come from nowhere in the very last scene before the credits ?

Modifié par Nab20, 22 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Navasha]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck... its 95% likely that its a duck.

After a couple times through the game looking for foreshadowing of that theory... I am at the point I would even bet money on that being how it will end up.

[CroGamer002]

No.

It's worse then actual endings.

[Dominus]

Like it isn't the right word. If that's what they intended it to be, I think it was cleverly done. That's not how I would have made the ending, though.

[MedhiaNox]

Not a fan of any sort of indoctrination ending.

If they wanted to claim that the Lazarus Project rebuilt you with Reaper tech - and that is how the Catalyst is communicating with you and "trying" to control you - I would like that much better.

Ultimately - the effect would be nearly identical - but indoctrination is somewhat of a greater "betrayal" than the ending we already received.

If the Lazarus Project led to this ending - then ultimately it would be TIM that assisted in truly saving the galaxy. I think it's far more thought provoking and poetic than "indoctrination" going so far as to bring up whether the end truly justifies the means - but perhaps that's because I despise TIM.

Modifié par MedhiaNox, 22 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[Overule]

Not really. Seems like the easy way out. Then again, it *does* invalidate the sheer mind shattering stupidity that is the Starchild. So they could do worse than implementing it as fact.

[SirTerrens]

I accept Indoc theory because of with it the whole story including ending of ME3 makes sense.
I will accept if Sheppard dies but I wish to be able to choose him an honored death: even if he woke up after Indoc just for few minutes or seconds he has to do something after which I stand up, take my hat off and say: "That is a damn good death for the most famous person in the whole galaxy!" Even krogans have to stand up and take their helmets off like I will do.

P.S.: And for another one Sheppard of mine I wish to be able to choose some dishonored death because of he did so much bad things during last parts of the thrilogy. I don't wish him to save galaxy. Let it be krogans, Garrus, Geth, some earth-clans or anothers but not him. I wish this character die. That's what I call RPG! =)

Modifié par SirTerrens, 22 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Oldbones2]

It's ok I guess. But I'd rather have anything in place of the current endings.

[TheCinC]

Yes, it makes kind of sense. Why wouldn't they want Shepard? Also, whether it fails or not, it leaves the door open to a sequel, which makes sense from a business point of view. I do hope we get to see what really happened soon (and free of charge).

[Fear_me_leader]

 Evidence points to the Indroctronation hypothesis being true
You can trust me i am the very model of s scientist Salarian

[Fixers0]

It's better than space magic, that's for sure.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I really like it. Too bad developers dropped it in middle of development.

If only they had more time and put 100% of their efforts in simple single player game, maybe with the current development time they could bring something wonderful and unforgettable. Or more development time in general.

The ending itself is unforgettable. But for bad reasons.

[Galbrant]

Uh... SPOILERS I Think


Actually TC since the last option is the only one with the breathing scene, Its safe to assume the Destroy option is the last thing the reapers want you to do and the other two is what TIM and Saren wanted thus completes your Indoctrination if you pick them. And I think the only reason the Synthesis or Control appears is because the Destroy option is the only one that keeps Shepard alive to confuse the player if you will.

[Nab20]

...........SPOILER...................

Blue ending is the paragon ending, green is neutral and red is renegade.

The endoctrination theory says that red ending is the only good ending which is against what mass effect is : a game about choices.

Paragon Shepard would never commit a genocide just to kill the reapers. He will sacrifice himself to control the reapers which is ironic because that's what the Illusive man was saying all the time. But he was controlled by the reapers and we're not.. we are more stronger than him.

Modifié par Nab20, 23 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[Nab20]

doublepost

Modifié par Nab20, 23 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[kalle90]

J.C. Blade wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...


Not to mention that the Protean VI immediately called on Kai Leng on being indoctrinated while it talked to Shepard both in the Temple

* The effects were early at that point, so the VI wouldnt have picked up on it.



, as well as in Cerberus base.

*TIM disabled the VI's indoc detector, which is how he was able to get the info from it. Because he did that, Shep could talk to it.

- Early? Thessia is one mission shy of Cerberus base. And I doubt the Protheans would have created an Vi with such sensitive data and not made it super-sensitive to indoctrination. Critical information depended on it.

- He disabled the protective protocols for it to share information. No where does it say it can no longer detect indoctrination.

He cracked the

Shepard was himself at the moment, and he was in no way hysterical like those certain scientists working on various Reaper-releated projects. The indoctrination theory says that the ending is where it's decided whether Shepard will fall for indoctrination or not.

The AI really isn't fool proof even if it would trace even the slightest cases of potential indoctrination victims because once a person leaves the terminal they are already under threat of being taken by Reapers.

[Rogue1982]

 YES. If BioWare used this and made it into a DLC, I really think (almost) everyone would be happy.
At this point, this theory is the only one that can make sense of the endings without retconing them.

[sheppard7]

I liked it but no longer do if Bioware uses it. Because frankly, that shows the same level of laziness on their part as that Tali picture or the Winter picture or the thing that sucks in the Normandy at the end picture and everything else they didn't have enough creative juices to make themselves.

[Joker is my pilot]

What?! The Theory is great and I can't live seeing Liara and garrus..... dead, lying in a pool of their own blood! (human blood). Beside, when I first intact myself with the ending, it felt strange.... not wrong or right.

[kalle90]

sheppard7 wrote...

I liked it but no longer do if Bioware uses it. Because frankly, that shows the same level of laziness on their part as that Tali picture or the Winter picture or the thing that sucks in the Normandy at the end picture and everything else they didn't have enough creative juices to make themselves.

Well apparently originally there was going to be something involving indoctrination, but BW decided it won't work/no one likes it/something, so they could just say "Due to massive feedback we decided to fall back to our original plan" or "Our original ending wasn't quite up to our standards before release and we didn't want to postpone release"

It also seems to support the "ending was cut and will be given/sold later" idea. Supposedly BW did this to cause rampaging speculation, raise in interest (sure enough every gamer and plenty of others have heard) and potentially earning cash. With the lack of post-game gameplay ME2 style DLC might not be very popular so this could be a way to gain some of that back.

[Theodoro]

I love it and I think it's a fantastic idea. However, the chances of this theory being true are slim to none, unfortunately. It would have been absolutely mind-blowing. I think BioWare missed a great opportunity here.

[CyberMiguel]

kalle90 wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

I liked it but no longer do if Bioware uses it. Because frankly, that shows the same level of laziness on their part as that Tali picture or the Winter picture or the thing that sucks in the Normandy at the end picture and everything else they didn't have enough creative juices to make themselves.

Well apparently originally there was going to be something involving indoctrination, but BW decided it won't work/no one likes it/something, so they could just say "Due to massive feedback we decided to fall back to our original plan" or "Our original ending wasn't quite up to our standards before release and we didn't want to postpone release"

Actually, they stated that they couldn't implement it (at that time) the way they wanted because it was too difficult for the framework to work and it had several bugs (or something like that). In the end, it was for technical reasons they couldn't implement it the way they originally wanted to...

..but who says they didn't implement it in another way? 

....aaaand yes, I support the indoctrination theory as it fits everything.