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ashwind wrote...

No. There is even less sense in the Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard at that moment than anything I have seen.

Why why why in the heavens would the Reapers want to do that? Harbinger just wanna rub it in? Harbinger has nothing better to do?

Edit: -possible spoiler removed-


Last gasp effort. If the theory is even remotely accurate, and consistent with all other instances of indoctrination, it takes time so set up. Everyone has shown extensive time where the indoctrination is taking hold with journal entries and other records showing increasingly erratic mental faculties and behavior.

I'm not saying that absolves all sins, but it's been shown that indoctrination is not a lightswitch.

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I'm not a fan personally. I prefer the alternative theory that SPOLERS AHEAD


past Shep getting hit by Harbinger's laser is all just a hallucination and that Shepard is really just lying there mortally wounded, and that is what you see if you get the special Shepard is alive ending.

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No I don't like it that means either from the point you wake up from being zapped is a lie and you still did nothing if you wakeup after choosing the destroy option or else ME2 on ward was a lie because you were brought back as an cyborg who just thinks he's shep but is still doing the reapers bidding from the moment you leave the table. That doesn't make the endings better just worse and invalidates tons of things you did and or you never bothered to do them like get to the citadel and save earth.

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rubyreader wrote...

ashwind wrote...

No. There is even less sense in the Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard at that moment than anything I have seen.

Why why why in the heavens would the Reapers want to do that? Harbinger just wanna rub it in? Harbinger has nothing better to do?

Edit: -possible spoiler removed-


Last gasp effort. If the theory is even remotely accurate, and consistent with all other instances of indoctrination, it takes time so set up. Everyone has shown extensive time where the indoctrination is taking hold with journal entries and other records showing increasingly erratic mental faculties and behavior.

I'm not saying that absolves all sins, but it's been shown that indoctrination is not a lightswitch.



Exactly you need to foreshadow and do so in away that your audience is suspicious and can be lead in that way for instance some think arrival could be the beginning of shep being indoctrinated because para shep doesn't try again to contact the colony and will still blow up the relay, you were out cold next to a reaper artifact for 2 days a mind at rest can soak up tons of info maybe even a weeks worth of introduced info and it will not reject it, shep also assumes the relay in the vision is Rho but no one can be sure of this he only takes crazy Kensen's word, notice how she's all upset that the reapers aren't talking to her anymore though they clearly can? 

Beyond the oddity that arrival brings up shep seeing the kid isn't a hallucination just because no one on the docks is paying attention to him doesn't mean he isn't there because it's chaotic whose going to notice a kid?

The dream sequences aren't made to say this is an indoctrination dream it can vary easily be taken as shep's guilt and as it keep progressing it's still his guilt.

What indoctrinated people say is happening:

They keep dreaming horrible dreams of all their loved ones and friends dying (shep doesn't do this only dreams about the boy who died and his friends who died no one alive haunts him or gets destroyed)

Seeing shadows while awake (nope he doesn't do that)

Hearing voices outside of dreams ie hearing it in their heads (nope he doesn't do that)

shared memories (nope he hasn't experienced that)

head aches (nope)

Those stuck near artifacts claim they feel buzzing and humming noises (nope he's never complied on that)

feelings of being called somewhere to do something, "Why did you return to the consort so and so?" " I don't know, I just felt called." (nope he's never expressed this)

The closer one is to a reaper the stronger the pains above are (nope he's fine)

They feel very very aggressive towards people who try to destroy reapers and or their artifacts (shep destroys them with no problems on a routine bases)

Victims are aware they're being changed (shep's made no inclinations here either) 


Shep is not displaying anything related to indoctrination from the first hand accounts we know to exist. The only thing shep does say is after he comes back from Rho he no longer experiences dreams from the beacons which means his mind is more or less quite on that front but indoctrination victims report constant mental chaos. So if shep suddenly is revealed to be a high tech thrawl then that's going to really throw alot of people more so then the Horizion incident.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 23 mars 2012 - 11:48 .


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Yes, and the beauty of it is that it's not just something somebody pulled out of their ass randomly.

There is alot of evidence to back up some of the statements about it.

I give it my full 100% support,because I refuse to believe that is how they are going to truly end one of the greatest sci-fi trilogies of all time.

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Di-Hydrogen-Monoxide wrote...

I'm not a fan personally. I prefer the alternative theory that SPOILERS AHEAD


past Shep getting hit by Harbinger's laser is all just a hallucination and that Shepard is really just lying there mortally wounded, and that is what you see if you get the special Shepard is alive ending.


You know that it's mostly what the indoctrination theory is about ?
Except your hallucination is caused by the indoctrination.
The good ending being some kind of breaking free from the reaper domination, and getting back to reality in the wreckage of london.

Of course, there can be debate regarding damage done to shepard's mind, etc. (exceptionnaly strong will for integrating the prothean beacon as said per liara vs. normal mind decay; well can't add much more that what is in the 20 min vid of the theory)

(note : I'm not sure this thread is really well suited to the No Spoiler forum)

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I don't "like" or "dislike" it. I believe that it is almost certainly incorrect, and that the grounds for it are very shaky. But this isn't history, and I'm not lecturing at the moment, so people can have their delusions if they so desire.

Unless they try to foist those delusions on me. Happily, I don't spend enough time here for that to have happened.

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Lookout1390 wrote...

Yes, and the beauty of it is that it's not just something somebody pulled out of their ass randomly.

There is alot of evidence to back up some of the statements about it.


Ah, yes, "evidence." We have dismissed those claims.:D

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I wouldn't mind Indoctrination Theory to be true, provided that the Control and Synthesis choices are just as valid when compared to the Destroy option. I don't like "trick" choices, so here is my compromise: Red would make Shepard purely human, Blue is closer to being the Illusive Man, while Green would turn Shepard into a mini-reaper. With the Blue and Green choices, Shepard must make especially tough decisions due to succumbing to some degree of Indoctrination...but he would overcome that Indoctrination, and gain some measure of power to make things better in the long run. Synthesis requires the most amount of work to unlock and to overcome the Indoctrination, but allows for Organics, Synthetics, and the Reapers to live together in relative peace.

Well, that is my desire, anyways. Would be even better if all endings were truly separate and unique to make each of them equally satisfying.

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I don't necessarily like the theory on its own merits, however given the current ending, it's one of the only plausible endings that would work almost seemlessly without having to make a major re-write to about the last twenty minutes of the game.

So if BioWare were to use the indoctrination theory, or something very similar, in DLC to add to the existing ending, I'd be for it.

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Should have posted this to the spoilers allowed.... Sorry....
But I'm Finn, so I didn't really know what "no Spoilers" ment. No I know it....

Modifié par TheDragonPrincess, 24 mars 2012 - 11:03 .


#113
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i love howit ties everything together .. shepard is only a man or woman after all

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I like it.
Not a believer though.
Would be awesome if it turned out to be real.

Only time will tell.

Modifié par Haargel, 16 juin 2012 - 02:42 .


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I think it's an awful concept. Granted, I don't like ME3's current ending, but I'd rather take that broken mess over this.

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I like it, It is a well developed theory with pretty good evidence to back it up. If Bioware used this it will be an industry first and I would appluad them. Yet on the other hand the IT theory would effectively undermine other people's ending which wouldn't be fair to them unless Bioware pulled some kind matrix or inception move and the ending was player what the player wanted it to be within context or was an alternate ending but some of us saw what happened with Asura's Wrath and Capcom. So I will just sit back and see how this unfolds. Can someone be a dear and get me an appletini without the tini.

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It's probably slightly less awful than the current ending, but that's not saying a lot. It certainly isn't true.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 16 juin 2012 - 03:20 .


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Seboist

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I like the IT as much as a case of the clap.

#119
A Crusty Knight Of Colour

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I love the Indoctrination Theory. Forums would boring without it.

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Intoxication Theory FTW.

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Since I wouldn't say no to, even endorse Bioware declaring the events that happen past one certain transition at the end to be naught but a dream and have another go at better setting up the final stage, I would accept incorporating it, indirectly if not outright.

Of course, I would already accept the simpler explanation of passing out into the unconscious, so I do not really need a scenario that is constructed with careful attention to details in the first place, but whatever works.

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Ugh. Necro'd thread.

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DarkDragon777

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No.

#124
julio77777

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err that topic...again... will you people give it a rest already ? Plus it's ending related so it will probably get locked soon.

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The indoctrination theory is a bunch of assumptions thrown together by some desperate fans who are unwilling or too ingnorant to accept that Bioware screwed them over with the endings. Keep up the wishful thinking, guys.