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[Mixorz]

They are killing ADVANCED organic races so that those races don't create synthetics that will kill ALL life. 

Now a common question is why they just don't kill synthetics. Well in the long run, that doesn't really solve the problem. What's to stop the organics from creating new ones? They have the knowledge. It would be like if a dog is digging a hole in your yard. You cover up the hole and two days later the dog dug another hole. Now let's say a dog dug a hole and you killed it, now you don't have to worry about a dog digging holes until the neighbors puppy gets big enough to dig an annoying hole.

[CarolSephard]

You can teach the dog instead of killing it ^^

[Mixorz]

CarolSephard wrote...

You can teach the dog instead of killing it ^^

Cant teach an old dog new tricks. Human saying ironically.

Modifié par Mixorz, 22 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[Stalker]

It's flawed because it's impossible that a synthetics-organics war of certain species wipes out every being in the galaxy.

Even if the Geth-Quarian war would have gone out as bad as possible, the majority of Quarians would be dead... so what? Geth would continue to live on their home-world and that's it.

[Mixorz]

Mr Massakka wrote...

It's flawed because it's impossible that a synthetics-organics war of certain species wipes out every being in the galaxy.

Even if the Geth-Quarian war would have gone out as bad as possible, the majority of Quarians would be dead... so what? Geth would continue to live on their home-world and that's it.

The Geth are obviously not the synthetics the Reapers are worried about, but their creation shows that the current races are CLOSE to creating a type of synthetic to end all organic life.

[Russmandarin]

synthetics killing organics so they don't end up creating synthetics to kill them.
It was better when the reapers were just in a cycle of wiping out the galaxy and leaving an undeveloped race behind to control how their technology was used.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Mixorz wrote...

They are killing ADVANCED organic races so that those races don't create synthetics that will kill ALL life. 

Now a common question is why they just don't kill synthetics. Well in the long run, that doesn't really solve the problem. What's to stop the organics from creating new ones? They have the knowledge. It would be like if a dog is digging a hole in your yard. You cover up the hole and two days later the dog dug another hole. Now let's say a dog dug a hole and you killed it, now you don't have to worry about a dog digging holes until the neighbors puppy gets big enough to dig an annoying hole.

The problem with this logic is that Starbrat talks as if this is certain to happen. The continued existence of organic life makes it self-evident that this doomsday scenario has never happened.

[Fogg]

It also makes sense that they just want to give each cycle a chance. Imagine if the Reapers wouldn't have killed the civilizations many cycles a go. Some of them would've used earth as a garden planet and killed humanity while it was still a fish.

[Stalker]

Mixorz wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

It's flawed because it's impossible that a synthetics-organics war of certain species wipes out every being in the galaxy.

Even if the Geth-Quarian war would have gone out as bad as possible, the majority of Quarians would be dead... so what? Geth would continue to live on their home-world and that's it.

The Geth are obviously not the synthetics the Reapers are worried about, but their creation shows that the current races are CLOSE to creating a type of synthetic to end all organic life.

... said the starchild while his Reapers were wiped out by united Geth-Quarian attacks.

[Mixorz]

It never happened because the reapers make sure it doesn't. It is all preventative. It doesn't help if the reapers wait for a super power synthetic to be created, because at that point the reapers might not even be able to stop them.

[Bazedragon]

Mixorz wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

It's flawed because it's impossible that a synthetics-organics war of certain species wipes out every being in the galaxy.

Even if the Geth-Quarian war would have gone out as bad as possible, the majority of Quarians would be dead... so what? Geth would continue to live on their home-world and that's it.

The Geth are obviously not the synthetics the Reapers are worried about, but their creation shows that the current races are CLOSE to creating a type of synthetic to end all organic life.

They clearly don't make that kind of distinction. The implication of StarChild's little chat is that ALL synthetics will ALWAYS kill ALL organics given the chance.

Before arguing that the reapers are also synthetic - they're a hybrid of synthetic and organic (Human Proto-Reaper), probably a loophole in the whole plothole.

[SamFlagg]

So outside of the fact that reapers need organics to reproduce.......

Why do the reapers care if all life is wiped out of the galaxy?

I mean I care if all life gets wiped out of the galaxy, but I feel like given the option between

1.) Let that happen

2.) Commit Mass Genocide every 50,000 years so other races can pop up and I can genocide them 50,000 years later.

I feel like I'd just let it happen.

[xxLDZxx]

Russmandarin wrote...

synthetics killing organics so they don't end up creating synthetics to kill them.
It was better when the reapers were just in a cycle of wiping out the galaxy and leaving an undeveloped race behind to control how their technology was used.

+1

Vent Boy sound like bush Jr and the iRack dilemma, explanation.

[Carlthestrange]

They are repeating a pointless cycle because MAYBE, PERHAPS organics will make Synthetics that kill them. To presume such is the ultimate level of arrogance.

Damn right I blew them Reapers to hell. No one plays god, no matter how smart they think they are.

[Blarghonk]

Assuming that the synthetics will kill organics. Big assumption for genocide. Considering ... EDI... Geth... Yeah I'd say what the Reapers are doing is just as bad, no logic there. Not to mention they should really have no say in the matter. Who are they to make that decision.

[Ulicus]

Mixorz wrote...

They are killing ADVANCED organic races so that those races don't create synthetics that will kill ALL life. 

Now a common question is why they just don't kill synthetics. Well in the long run, that doesn't really solve the problem. What's to stop the organics from creating new ones? They have the knowledge.

And why do they have the knowledge? 

Because the Reapers "guide [organics] down the paths [they] desire".

Sorry, but taking the previous games into consideration, the Reapers' goal (assuming that is the only goal, of course) is nonsense. Even if the Reapers could state with 99.999999999% certainity that the technological singularity would lead to the annihilation of all organic life everywhere, if they actually cared about preventing it, they wouldn't deliberately leave behind technology that literally catapults the organic races towards it. They'd have a far easier time staying in the Milky Way and intimidating primitive races into remaining pre-spaceflight.

Modifié par Ulicus, 22 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Vaktathi]

And nobody ever thought to just have the reapers destroy Synthetics that decide to wipe out everything? The fact that EDI and the Normand Crew and the Quarrians/Geth could live side by side in peace wasn't even an option to bring up? Or the fact that the Geth never attempted or even thought to try to actively fight, much less annihilate, organics until the Reapers came after securing their existence in the Morning War?

The justification for the Reapers was bad, reliant on circular logic, and unnecessary.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 22 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Mixorz]

Schrijver wrote...

It also makes sense that they just want to give each cycle a chance. Imagine if the Reapers wouldn't have killed the civilizations many cycles a go. Some of them would've used earth as a garden planet and killed humanity while it was still a fish.

It doesn't. The reapers are obviously not the negotiating type. Never have been. They have a cycle that they follow religiously. Their method has worked millions of years, why now would they stop?

[Orthodox Infidel]

Mixorz wrote...

It never happened because the reapers make sure it doesn't. It is all preventative. It doesn't help if the reapers wait for a super power synthetic to be created, because at that point the reapers might not even be able to stop them.

Yes. So there was no super-genocidal synthetic race before the Reapers, otherwise the Reapers wouldn't be doing anything.

Someone created a problem and presented themselves as the solution.

[KingNothing125]

Why do they care? What is their stake in perserving infantile organic species?

[Nefelius]

Spacebaby says "The created will always rebel against their creators".
This leaves a question. Why didn't the Reapers rebel against the Spacebaby and decided NOT to kill everyone and instead be friends with everyone or something?

[Avatar231278]

Mixorz wrote...

CarolSephard wrote...

You can teach the dog instead of killing it ^^

Cant teach an old dog new tricks. Human saying ironically.

Mythbusters proved that wrong. Taught old, uneducated dogs 10 tricks in less than a week.

Modifié par Avatar231278, 22 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[Bulk88]

Ulicus wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

They are killing ADVANCED organic races so that those races don't create synthetics that will kill ALL life. 

Now a common question is why they just don't kill synthetics. Well in the long run, that doesn't really solve the problem. What's to stop the organics from creating new ones? They have the knowledge.

And why do they have the knowledge? 

Because the Reapers "guide [organics] down the paths [they] desire".

Sorry, but taking the previous games into consideration, the Reapers' goal (assuming that is the only goal, of course) is nonsense. If the Reapers cared about preventing the technological singularity, they wouldn't deliberately leave behind technology that literally catapults the organic races towards it. They'd have a far easier time staying in the Milky Way and intimidating primative races into remaining pre-spaceflight.

This.

[FemmeShep]

The problem with this, is it goes off major assumptions. By the end of the game, Shepard basically has proven that the AI's logic is wrong.

So you kill things that COULD do something...and the irony is that the very thing that is killing them is what they want to stop from happening. It doesn't make sense. You would think given the AI's logic, it would realize what it's doing is the very thing it supposedly wants to stop from happening in the future.

But ultimately for me, I just hate the idea of a God like narrative device to exist.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 22 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Mixorz]

Blarghonk wrote...

Assuming that the synthetics will kill organics. Big assumption for genocide. Considering ... EDI... Geth... Yeah I'd say what the Reapers are doing is just as bad, no logic there. Not to mention they should really have no say in the matter. Who are they to make that decision.

Again, reapers never claimed to be good. They maintain order and prevent life-ending synthetics. Their method has worked million of years.

The Geth/Quarians peace isn't really a great example because they were at their throats for hundreds of years, and have peace when it is mutually beneficial in the face of extinction.