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[hector7rau]

So many manly tears...

[SirCroft]

^lol

Modifié par SirCroft, 22 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[yesikareyes]

bump bump

[Optimus J]

And so the developers to start sweating a Little. THAT'S the most probable outcome of LYING to Dr.Ray. He WILL check the fact and as Erik will side with the reasonable people.

[Skypezee]

j78 wrote...


"The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception," the apology post on Bioware's forums reads. "We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel."

I don’t get it Bioware changes the book’s because it goes against the continuity of the mass effect universe. Some can say so does the ending of the game ether way fan’s pointed out the inconsistencies and Bioware fixed them .the game is no different. The art augment has been answered by Bioware them selves .

Wonder if Forbes will call them out on this as well? XP
Although to be honest I did forget about the whole ME: Deception debacle until you brought it up. Thanks for the link to the thread by the way. I think I shall use it as some of the examples of BioWare being capable of making changes if there are errors.

[Endersgone]

Forbes... I frickin' love you

[iSpider-Man]

hector7rau wrote...

[stuka1000]

Ravennus wrote...

Well done!

I've actually lost all respect for IGN and Gamespot over this situation.

Can anyone recommend any other really good comprehensive game article/review websites?
I've been going to those to since they started, but it's finally dawning on me that their time is over.

To be honest there are very few reviewers that are not swayed by advertising income etc.  BUT! there are that select few of whom Ben Croshaw is probably the most honest and doesn't give a crap about what anybody else thinks or where the ad money comes from, he just says it as he sees it.  Here's a link
http://www.escapistm...ero-punctuation

[Silveralen]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Ecto-Plasmic Effect wrote...

You can't scold Moriarty for pandering to one side while Kain is doing the same.

There is a difference... Kain attacked us first due to misconceptions and THEN he changed his stance after some research.


1.-  http://www.forbes.co...-on-metacritic/  First article about the protests. (I posted as Andrea Vanness for those interested)

2.-  http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/  Second article. I posted on it as well.

3.-  http://www.forbes.co...dlc-from-ashes/

4.-  http://www.forbes.co...ess-like-games/

5.-  http://www.forbes.co...lready-on-disc/

6.-  http://www.forbes.co...lc-controversy/

7.-  http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

8.-  http://www.forbes.co...money-for-kids/

9.-  http://www.forbes.co...ible-consumers/

10.-  http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/

11.-  http://www.forbes.co...blic-relations/

12.-  http://www.forbes.co...ending-sort-of/


Now... Do you see the change of tone from the first article to the others?  How the more he investigated into the situation his stance CHANGED dramatically?

That is what happens when you check for facts, from mocking and being completely against the whole thing, after KNOWING what it was REALLY about, he changed his stance.

Thanks for compiling the list.  This is excellent.  I read all of them. He started off thinking the user reviews were due to the sexuality, but something about the data was an outlier, so investigated.  That is what journalists are supposed to do.

Since I have a void to fill, I'm going to check out his recommendation on "Uncharted".  It sounds like what I wanted from ME:3.

Forbes- We can actually admit when we were wrong, and we will do extra research if we think we could have been wrong.

Forbes actually cares about the truth, and properly representing and framing what it going in. They are journalists who try and report the truth.

[Vhalkyrie]

If I ever get around to playing ME:3 again, I'll be sure to kick Diana Allers off my ship.

[J717]

Amazing article.

[the red boon]

Another great article from Forbes. It's nice that there are still some journalist who use sound logic.

[Skypezee]

stuka1000 wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

Well done!

I've actually lost all respect for IGN and Gamespot over this situation.

Can anyone recommend any other really good comprehensive game article/review websites?
I've been going to those to since they started, but it's finally dawning on me that their time is over.

To be honest there are very few reviewers that are not swayed by advertising income etc.  BUT! there are that select few of whom Ben Croshaw is probably the most honest and doesn't give a crap about what anybody else thinks or where the ad money comes from, he just says it as he sees it.  Here's a link
http://www.escapistm...ero-punctuation

In his one episode where he goes over fan mail he does state that he is a critic and it's his job to criticize any fault in the game and call the developer or publisher out on it; otherwise, how are these companies going to learn anything if no one points out the problems?

[Wowlock]

Simple cowardice. Guys like Colin are internet ''tough guys'' where they think infront of their little cameras, they are untouchable.

He wouldn't stand a chance against a well made arguement about our problems. That is why he just spew nonsense ( just like the ending ) Sometimes I even think if Jessica Chobot was Diana Allers, God child must based on this coward since they basicly spew the same nonsense and if they fix the ending, he might lose his ''cameo''. But this time our Shepard ( Forbes ) has Paragon interrupts, I am kinda scared for the renegade one ...

[Sepharih]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

marshkoala wrote...


@Rockpopple 
I don't know I a thing about Infamous 2 and so I can't comment.


What I can say is that I watched the IGN video and it was a raving rant against fans requesting change. It was really offensive to me, being 51 and playing the game, if you're going to disagree you can do so in a civil manner.


That said the Forbes article points out the inconsistencies with Colin's past comments.

Forbes' article doesn't go deep enough. All it does is show a surface so-called contradiction in Colin's past statement without going into how the two circumstances are COMPLETELY different.


But I bolded the real reason behind the love for Forbes and the hate for Moriarty. This is undeniable. It's not about trying to point out "inconsistencies" and "hypocrisy". It's about revenge. Pure and simple.

You have yet to establish that they are completely different.  The distinction you are making is irellevant because we are not arguing from a financial or economical standpoint about their ability to produce more content, nor was IGN.  It's moot.
We are arguing from a moral and philosophical standpoint about "artistic integrity" and "creators rights" and what say if any the fans have in the artist's creation.  You can't say its a dangerous precenent for fans to get a creator to change his work when you were championing another developer for listening to what their fans wanted and letting go of their own vision just a few months back.  You can change your mind but you can't have it both ways.

If I really have to explain to you how changing something during the development something and going back to change something after the development process is over and done with are two different things, then that's really the least of what I'd have to explain to you, isn't it?

I understand how they are different in terms of their technical and financial difficulties.  Working in game development for the past 4 years of my life has helped me understand that a great deal.
Can you try to explain to me the moral and philosophical distinction, cause that's what I'm having a hard time with.

Rockpopple wrote... 
If Colin Moriarty didn't make that clear in his little rant, that's fine, maybe he should have, but the difference is still there. The change in circumstance does colour people's perceptions, because that's what people do.

I wonder: to Kain and you and everyone else that wants BioWare to change the ending... what would you be thinking if a lot of people wanted a change an ending YOU actually LIKED?

Would you STILL be claiming that artistic integrity DOESN'T matter, and that fans should have a say in what the ending of a narrative is AFTER the narrative is completed? Or would you change your stance, and suddenly DEFEND artistic integrity, saying that the narrative should remain as shipped?

I'd really, really like to know that. Honestly, I probably only have to wait a few more months to get my answer.

I've been through this situation and I've made peace with it.  Edit:  really, trust me....I used to be a George Lucas apologist.  I've had to eat my own words on the matter.
There are plenty of films with multiple edits/cuts in popular circulation that also have infiite numbers of fan edits online (Star Wars and Blader runner are two popular examples).
If I liked the ending I'd be on this thread defending bioware on a creative level and voicing my opinion in their defense (assuming I cared enough), and I would choose to watch/play the ending that they made available, but when an overwhelming majority of a community reacts this way......it's probably time to hear their criticism.

Modifié par Sepharih, 22 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Nefelius]

Bwahahahah.

God i love when the truth is rubbed in someones face xD

[Simi Parthenopaeus]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

IGN cannot credibly dismiss their conflict of interest given Jessica Chobot was given a role in this game.

^ This

Although, if I could bring myself to open up ME3 again (havent touched it since I was forced to endure the nightmare they called an ending... I would march my shepard  right in and tell her to get the hell off my ship, damn those war assets

[GargamelLeNoir]

Nice hypocrite busting Forbes

[Sylvianus]

Mhh. I begin to like Forbes

[SirCrimz]

And boom goes the dynamite.

[MayaBalrin]

stuka1000 wrote...
To be honest there are very few reviewers that are not swayed by advertising income etc.  BUT! there are that select few of whom Ben Croshaw is probably the most honest and doesn't give a crap about what anybody else thinks or where the ad money comes from, he just says it as he sees it.  Here's a link
http://www.escapistm...ero-punctuation

Awesome video. Had me Lol. The forbes article was brilliant and worth the read. I will say I find it funny that a company that has nopthing to do with the gaming community can get us but that Bioware, EA, and a good portion of the industry thinks were the end of the gaming industry.

Ps. I liked the bit about the balloon.

[Silveralen]

Bump, because hypocrisy is funny.

[Kastrenzo]

I don't understand what's going on here.

First they go on about how unhappy the consumers are about the ending and such

And then the next day they're going on about how it would be a "bad move" for EA/BW to make a new ending. Isn't that what these people wanted? and now they're turning against them again?

I'm so confused.

They never would have been in this situation if they had done it right the first time, that being said, they're going to be in a much worse situation if they -don't- remedy the conclusion problems. opposed to if they did.

Sometimes you just have to suck it up, admit you made a mistake, and live with it,

[Kastrenzo]

Nevermind, I kind of get this article now