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[marshkoala]

@Aznable Char
Thanks for brighting up my day!!

Thank you Forbes for once again pointing out the truth that some "game" media sites can't be any more obvious as to their biased opinions.

[Lakeshow1986]

Nice article and agree 100%

It's not new territory to incorporate fan feedback, BioWare are doing a really good job with this and look forward to what else some to the Mass Effect universe!

[Hatire]

Forbes please select your arsenal.
Forbes selects: Black Widow
Target select: Moriarity
Result: Flawless victory.

[Sepharih]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

[Blind2Society]

Hypocrites, gotta love em'. Oh wait, hate, yeah hate. Gotta hate em'.

[DAMASCUS_MAXIMUS]

IGN just got PWNED by Forbes! That's BASIC research and journalism for 'ya!

Forbes is continuing to impress me on its coverage of ME3 and for being a steady beacon of reason for ME fans and gamers alike.

Modifié par DAMASCUS_MAXIMUS, 22 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[shinobi602]

Haha, Moriarty. You funny.

[RiflesCrossed]

I found it amusing that I've seen Mass Effect 3 ending articles in several media outlets now, including Forbes and Fox News. Crazy that the fans can make this big of an impact. Even more crazy that despite the endings, Bioware was able to make a game that reached in to peoples hearts/minds deep enough to encourage this kind of response to a poor finish. Good on everyone in the community for making it a to improve something we all really do care about, and to see the proper justice done for all the characters we have grown to know and love since the release of Mass Effect in 2007.

[Oakenshield1]

SNAP!

[Hobbyman]

Lol, after all the posts that I have read from Forbes I am almost inclined to start a subscription for their digital magazine....Wtf??

Nicely done Prof. Moriarty, nicely done.

[The Divine Avenger]

Skirata129 wrote...

So on top of being an ****, Colin is a hypocrite?

Pretty much yeah, Go Forbes you Sucker Punch that a** hole

[RedNanaki]

Exceptional find. He really called him out on his hypocritical bull****.

[GoblinSapper]

In the immortal words of my generation:

Pwnd.

[naes1984]

Be sure to respond to Colin on twitter or email PODCAST BEYOND on IGN. If enough people do it then he will respond, and his own people on the podcast will call him out.

[Rockpopple]

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

[Midnight Eternal]

I'm predicting that said article about "A Dangerous Precedent" is going to be flooded with links to this article now. As very well should be to point out the overwhelming hypocrisy behind IGN. Though I'm against increasing their traffic, I'm all for pointing out how blatantly hypocritical they are now.

[spacefiddle]

Aznable Char wrote...

 
http://www.forbes.co...mpaign=20120322

AHAHAHAHA ahem.  Wow.  Responsible journalism at its finest, eh IGN?  It's not even like it's just the same publication, different writer's opinion; it's actually the same GUY?

That's really sad.  One of the things I'm getting out of all this is the eradication of any remaining doubt that the standard, gaming industry press is simply not to be trusted.  There're no standards of journalistic integrity, few if any professional journalists to begin with, and to top it off they have close ties with the indistry itself; free goodies, free games to review, insider access to info.

Aside from the conflict of interest, the sheer volume and timing of reviews makes a real in-depth analysis difficult.  Folks like TotalBiscuit do two important things, despite his own obvious industry ties: 1) he never hides behind an objective journalistic voice, the presentation is ALWAYS that this is his opinion; and 2) his "WTF is.." series is based on the idea that this is first impression only, with the limited time he has.

I wish IGN and others could see that blind loyalty to what they perceive as the industry position, while possibly admirable in intent, is entirely misplaced and does no one any favors.  Beyond that, it really isn't remotely professional to go insulting and belittling the people who make it possible for you to keep that job there.  And if the company changes its position and reconciles with its fans, you just look like a schmuck.

[Barbarossa2010]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

I'm still stunned that Forbes is the main journalistic viewpoint for those unhappy with the ending.

It's not so surprising.  Forbes just understands:  it's more about business than some nonsensical notion of art.  Once "art" is up for sale, it becomes product.  Once something becomes a product is becomes subject to the demands of the marketplace.  It's not near the artistic controversy some would wish it to be.  It takes a business publication to put the big picture into perspective. 

If Bioware wants to fall on their sword for their artistic vision, especially if it's an artistic vision that many of the consumers they've attracted don't share, they'll probably find out why the term "starving artist" exists.

Ah, the free air of capitalism.

[SandSkorpion]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

QFT

Thanks for pointing out what most are overlooking..but I doubt it'll do any good here. They just keep refilling the Kool-Aid.

[beccathelion]

Journalist cross-internet fist fight, in 3, 2, 1...

[Rune-Chan]

I do love it when people are proven to be hypocrites.

Even more amusing is that people think they can get away with it in the age of the internet.

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

That is irrelevant to the argument of 'artistic integrity', it is either acceptable to change your work to appease the fans, or it is not. Whether ot not the game is released beforehand does not make a difference in this argument. It's either your vision, the fans vision, or both. Can't claim it should be only the artists vision in one case,
and then say in another that the fans have a right to have their input.

Iwill agree that if the argument is whether or not it sets a 'dangerous precedent it is a different matter. Changing the game before it is released is not caving into fan demand in quite the same way, as they haven't completed it yet and things are still being added or changed anyway.

If the argument is about whether or not changing the game post-release is good or bad, I can agree that in many cases it is bad, as it sets an example that ****ing about a product you don't like means that it "has" to be changed. However in ME3's case, the argument isn't that it isn't what the fans like, it is that it isn't what the fans were promised by the developers that it would be.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 22 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

IGN said fans do not have the right to dictate "artistic direction".  In his own words, Morarty said why they should.

What you're arguing isn't too different, actually.  Cole changed looks in the sequel due to the developers taking user input.  Therefore if you're saying that is the only right course of action, then Bioware shouldn't release a DLC.  They should release ME4 that addresses all the plothole problems that we have with ME3.

Works for me.

[Kajan451]

Aznable Char wrote...
 
http://www.forbes.co...mpaign=20120322

He shoots, he scores!... I am starting to like that Kain guy.

[txmn1016]

Really hoping that BW/EA is listening to Forbes. Unlike some of the game reviewers, they actually know something about consumers and can speak (either for good or for ill) about it intelligently.

[cuzsal]

lol im really liking the guys at forbes lol