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[jmarkows]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

I'm still stunned that Forbes is the main journalistic viewpoint for those unhappy with the ending.

This.  It makes me want to subscribe with the money I save from canceling my GI subscription.

[Rockpopple]

@SandSkorpion - No, you're right. They don't care. Facts are staring them right in the face, and they don't give a damn. They just want to live in their own fantasy world because it furthers their agenda. Their comparing apples to oranges discredits Moriarty, who they want to discredit because he disagrees with them.

It's mob mentality right now around here.

[DreamTension]

FemmeShep wrote...

Colin's original video rant was silly. He didn't know why fans were upset, and went on a huge soapbox: you guys are just whiners, DEAL WITH IT.

Probably.  Aren't these people supposed to be held to some sort of journalistic integrity?  I guess it's gone. 
::whine::

[The Angry One]

SandSkorpion wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

QFT

Thanks for pointing out what most are overlooking..but I doubt it'll do any good here. They just keep refilling the Kool-Aid.

Nobody's overlooking that. Artistic integrity is artistic integrity. According to Moriarty that's set in stone, and immutable.
When he himself has said otherwise when it convened him.

Is it enough that you white knight for BioWare? Do you have to white knight for this pathetic hack Moriarty too?

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Balmung31]

Integrity? Who needs THAT? Certainly not IGN!

Pshaw, you people...

[LolaLei]

Hahaha awesome!

[Brakxel]

Oh wow. This is fantastic. I don't understand how hypocrites can live with themselves.

[Drake-Shepard]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

Infamous 2 was still in development? You know what..thats a good point and should be discussed.

What is the difference between fans having input during the creative process and having input after the creative process. They are still interfering with the so called Artistic vision of the maker. During or after? who cares? Its not picasso making his own painting and expressing himself. Theres 100+ people involved, deadlines, money, publishers, politics (can't go overboard on homosexuality) isn't this art already tainted after all these filters. But god-forbid fans get a say.

And apparently the creative process of this ART was never over because DLC was planned all along which is part of this art. Or did you forget the stupid blue box at the end of the game.

In conclusion changing infamous 2 is exactly the same as ME3. Forbes has a point

[Legendaryred]

 owned

[phototed]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

But it could also be said about the Cole and Infamous 2 incident is the fans and gaming audience caught wind of the change of cole to create such an uproar during the process.  The ending for ME3 wasn't known till after it was in our, the gamers', hands.  The only difference here is the timing of when the outroar happened- during development or after.

Modifié par phototed, 22 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Well]

Thank you for posting.It was a good read.

[pavi132]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Aside from Starchild, Moriarty may be the most disliked villain to come out of this whole fiasco.

I think he is more a villain than the Starchild because his ignorance and lack of logical reasioning exists in reality... it's a scary thought. 

[CosmicWonderer]

Nicely written article

[Jackal7713]

wordson wrote...

hahaha awesome. its nice to Moriarty's bs being handed back to him.

Oh this is priceless. It really is.

[Doppelgaenger]

[naes1984]

Colin wanting to change Cole in Infamous 2 is a distinction without a difference compared to what we want. It seems the only logical conclusion is that he believes fans should bother developers DURING the development process as opposed to AFTER the game is finished. But most of us aren't game journalists who know what's going on behind the scenes. Otherwise you bet I would have complained before the game was released about the star child.
Or perhaps he only believes it is valid when HE brings up objections being a "journalist" and all.
It doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[Annie_Dear]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

His name is freaking Moriarty. He was born to be a troll.

Does this mean Kain was born to be Sherlock?

(I couldn't resist, I'm sorry.)

[redBadger14]

The fact that Forbes, arguably the most prestigious business media publication in the United States and possibly elsewhere, is defending the fans of Mass Effect 3 upset over the endings and asking for new/revised/elaborated endings says A LOT. Especially since they are totally giving the gaming journalist sites a run for their money.

Glad to see Forbes is calling the gaming sites out for labeling us "whiny, entitled fanboys who do not understand or appreciate art."

[CRISIS1717]

It is so, so delicious that someone who has a journalistic position of note is able to argue against IGNs ridiculousness and hypocrisy.

[Rockpopple]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

IGN said fans do not have the right to dictate "artistic direction".  In his own words, Morarty said why they should.

What you're arguing isn't too different, actually.  Cole changed looks in the sequel due to the developers taking user input.  Therefore if you're saying that is the only right course of action, then Bioware shouldn't release a DLC.  They should release ME4 that addresses all the plothole problems that we have with ME3.

Works for me.

That's not what I'm saying at all and don't put words in my mouth.

I'm saying that comparing what Colin said about Infamous 2 and what he said about ME3 are two different arguments because they arise from two completely different situations. But Kain, the writer for Forbes, didn't bother pointing this out, because he wants his little lemmings to subscribe to the magazine and give them hits. He's using you.

For all we know, BioWare drastically changed the endings because of fan reaction to the leaked endings, in which case, they'd have done exactly what Moriarty said they should do. But expecting them to change the ending after it's all said and done, shipped, the creative development process completed, is a different animal, and really, it's obvious. People who obfuscate this fact are being irresponsible for personal gain.

And again, I'm not surprised this is happening.

[lpbarrows]

I think i love Forbes - this article has certainly cheered my day up considerably!

[Streambeck]

EDIT: Misinterpeted

Modifié par Streambeck, 22 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Jayce]

I declare Kaine 'Sherlock Holmes' and Colin Moriarty well and truly Rickenbached.

[Hicks233]

Oh Forbes

This whole debacle has at least given me opportunities to try out different media outlets.

[Sepharih]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

If you want to argue that it's different from a finacial and economical stance, that's fine, and I don't disagree with you.  The two are not comparable in that sense.  When you invoke the word "art" or "artistic rights/integrity" you are then arguing from a moral and philosophical standpoint....one that ign and moriarity clearly don't have anywhere to stand on.

Modifié par Sepharih, 22 mars 2012 - 04:06 .