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[Sammuthegreat]

The Divine Avenger wrote...
Sucker Punch that a** hole

There's a lot wrong with that sentence.

[Jere85]

This just calls for a:
Ohhh No he di'int!

Thumbs up to Forbes and breaking that hypocrits BS.

[VAIOMANIAC]

After I tweeted him the link the updated his status on twitter be prepared for more bullsh..

https://twitter.com/#!/notaxation

[pavi132]

The Angry One wrote...

SandSkorpion wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

QFT

Thanks for pointing out what most are overlooking..but I doubt it'll do any good here. They just keep refilling the Kool-Aid.

Nobody's overlooking that. Artistic integrity is artistic integrity. According to Moriarty that's set in stone, and immutable.
When he himself has said otherwise when it convened him.

Is it enough that you white knight for BioWare? Do you have to white knight for this pathetic hack Moriarty too?

Entirely correct. He is claiming that fans should have no input on the creative process with ME3. However, with Infamous 2, it was ok? It doesn't matter where in the development cycle it occurs. The point is that why is it not a breach of artistic integrity for the development team of Infamous 2 to cater to its fans while it is for the creators of ME3 to do so?

[Riddic]

Proves, imo, that IGN absolutely can't say anything negative towards BioWare/EA due to ad space that was paid for.

[Azorgamer]

I'm liking Forbes more and more.

[AlekzanderZ]

any one read that one from forbes but a a other writer:

http://www.forbes.co...ryones-heads/2/

[Rockpopple]

phototed wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

But it could also be said about the Cole and Infamous 2 incident is the fans and gaming audience caught wind of the change of cole to create such an uproar during the process.  The ending for ME3 wasn't known till after it was in our, the gamers', hands.  The only difference here is the timing of when the outroar happened- during development or after.

Catching wind of something earlier in the game's development process, which is what happened with Infamous 2, and "catching wind" of something by playing the game after the development process is completely finished, which is what happened in ME3, are two completely different things. You can't just wish it wasn't so because it's an inconvenient fact. You really think development and post-development stages are interchangeable? That's just being profoundly ignorant of the development process.

[Hicks233]

Jayce F wrote...

I declare Kaine 'Sherlock Holmes' and Colin Moriarty well and truly Rickenbached.

And then the ending was revised and the author went on to greater success! Dawwwww...

[matn35]

head shot!

[cerberus1701]

grumbles....STUPID words i said coming back to bite me in the backside....STUPID, STUPID past statements..... grumbles.

[Rulycar]

RE: Colin Moriarty

Colin does not deserve scorn ...
... his biased commentaries do.

Hate bad behavior, not people.

[Rockpopple]

*sigh*

And people wonder why the developers don't listen to them.

Why should they?

What a waste.

[VAIOMANIAC]

He updated his status saying that he will clarify on fridays podcast oh i am gonna listen can´t wait to hear this.

[GuilleCuba]

people give colin a break, he is having a hard time accepting that bioware listened to their fans instead of him!!! how could that be, colin is always right.

[shinobi602]

Colin got nuked by the Kain XD

[ZodiEmish]

Colin Moriarty is a hypocrite . who would have known... ( Well I guess I would not have known. I never head about the guy until this whole ending problem happened. )

[danicoro]

Run cool water over area of burn.

[sargon1986]

Go Forbes! Yeeehaw...

IGN Owned  

[RebelByDesign]

That was truly glorious.

[Boceephus]

DO HO HO HO. OUCH.

Consider this a free lesson in actual journalism and "research" Colin.

[Myskal1981]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

So you are saying that it is fine too leave your artistic integrity during development, but once it is released you have to stick to it?
So artistic integrity is a matter of timing now?

It boils to the same right? Content was changed on fan petition and Colin in one instance praises the company and in the other blames it.

[Leem_0001]

Rockpopple wrote...

phototed wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

But it could also be said about the Cole and Infamous 2 incident is the fans and gaming audience caught wind of the change of cole to create such an uproar during the process.  The ending for ME3 wasn't known till after it was in our, the gamers', hands.  The only difference here is the timing of when the outroar happened- during development or after.

Catching wind of something earlier in the game's development process, which is what happened with Infamous 2, and "catching wind" of something by playing the game after the development process is completely finished, which is what happened in ME3, are two completely different things. You can't just wish it wasn't so because it's an inconvenient fact. You really think development and post-development stages are interchangeable? That's just being profoundly ignorant of the development process.

What? But surely, regardless of the point in the process, it is still the fans changing the creators original artistic vision. It may be two different points in the process - but if it still sways the creators away from their original vision it render Moriarty's argument null and void.

[marshkoala]

@Rockpopple
I don't know I a thing about Infamous 2 and so I can't comment.

What I can say is that I watched the IGN video and it was a raving rant against fans requesting change. It was really offensive to me, being 51 and playing the game, if you're going to disagree you can do so in a civil manner.

That said the Forbes article points out the inconsistencies with Colin's past comments.

Modifié par marshkoala, 22 mars 2012 - 04:11 .