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[Heather Cline]

The guy who wrote that article is spot on. Moriarty is just a sheep of Bioware and EA and IGN. Seriously look at IGN having Chobot in the game. Of course they are going to say that we shouldn't demand new endings. Because Chobot was in the game and the fact that they are being paid to denounce the gamers/fans of the series who hate the endings.

[MB957]

DireCyphre wrote...

From all these recent articles, I think a Forbes subscription is in order...

hear hear!!

I think I am going to do just that!

[Rockpopple]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

The Infamous 2 controversy and this controversy are two different things.

Infamous 2 was still in development when fans learned of Cole's new looks and wanted a change.

Comparing that to what happened in ME3 would be as if Infamous 2 shipped with the new-look Cole and then was changed with a patch a month afterwards due to fan outcry. Obviously that wasn't the case.

This should be something "Kain" and this community should realize, but I'm not surprised they don't. Kain is probably lurking around these forums trying to figure out what he can write next to get more hits, and the community that loves Kain for doing it are simply not thinking things through, but are just reacting out of gut instinct.

It's sad and pathetic all around.

The developers had a vision in mind for their character, they changed that vision when they realized that fans *hated* the new look.  What arbitrary rule says that once it's released it's unacceptable to listen and incorporate criticism into your work anymore.  Bioware and EA already consider this game to still be a WIP thanks to the wonderful world of DLC.

There's no "abitrary rule". I'm saying the two instances AREN'T comparable! It's a lot easier to make changes before a game is released, early in the development cycle, then after the game is completed and shipped out. People comparing Colin's stance on Infamous 2 and his stance on Mass Effect 3 are ignorant. They're comparing apples and oranges, and I suspect they know it, but they don't care - because it furthers their agenda.

And that's sad.

You mean like how they changed the game after the script was leaked?  

You know what? If it turns out that they changed the game's endings because of fan reaction to what the leaks were, then they would have done EXACTLY what you're saying they should have done.

BioWare = screwed coming and going.

Why should they care anymore?

Modifié par Rockpopple, 22 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[NaNtAeG]

Epic win, right in the jewels !
Thanks for bringing this article...

[SandSkorpion]

Kain states "Here’s Colin Moriarty two years ago, discussing changes made by studio Sucker Punch to their game Infamous 2, after the release was met with fan backlash:"

That is 100% false. The fans spoke out when details of the character change (look/voice) were revealed during devleopment. Suckerpunch weighed their options and made adjustments prior to the game's release. What is happening here is completely different.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Darth Asriel]

Nice to see Forbes has maintained their integrity. Honest reporting always pays off.

[dotupkid]

 Moriarty nominated for greatest rager award of the ME3 Ending Conflict.

[TheGunslinger]

Awesome, haha.

[Rockpopple]

SandSkorpion wrote...

Kain states "Here’s Colin Moriarty two years ago, discussing changes made by studio Sucker Punch to their game Infamous 2, after the release was met with fan backlash:"

That is 100% false. The fans spoke out when details of the character change (look/voice) were revealed during devleopment. Suckerpunch weighed their options and made adjustments prior to the game's release. What is happening here is completely different.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 22 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[wepeel_]

Haha, Moriarty really got killed there.

[Ecto-Plasmic Effect]

Bethesda's situation was different. They changed the ending because gamers were unable to continue their game after beating it. But who cares about the details anyway.

Modifié par Ecto-Plasmic Effect, 22 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[sangy]

All I want to say is that the people that think changing the ending would be hurting Bioware most likely don't know business. I don't have a business degree, so I won't pretend to be the voice of change.

If you look at the biggest names in business like Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, John D. Rockefeller, Walt Disney, Steven Jobs, Andrew Carnegie, JP Morgan, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Michael Dell, you'll see how these people valued their customers and made change to keep business running smoothly.

It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you’ll do things differently. – Warren Buffet”

1. “Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning.”
Bill Gates, Founder, Microsoft

I could go on with this, but you see my point. Customers/Fans are what keep the company going. Bioware shouldn't take any of the response as a personal attack. It's more about working together to find a resolution to an issue.

This can be a win for all sides.

[Boceephus]

MB957 wrote...

DireCyphre wrote...

From all these recent articles, I think a Forbes subscription is in order...

hear hear!!

I think I am going to do just that!

Yup me too. They've proven that you can actually combine gaming and journalism.

[Streambeck]

Wait, is the argument how *difficult* changing the game would be now, as opposed to when it's in development? Because that has no bearing on Colin's statement on ME3.

[Daedalus1773]

Excellent.

[wright1978]

IGN journalist exposed as a hypocrite. I smirked all the way through that article.

[Leem_0001]

Rockpopple wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I wonder how Colin will reply, he said he would on his twitter account, i cant wait for the spectacle, because somehow he has got to be right, i wonder which way he goes with it, Forbes is lying? I dont care? Its totally different? its been torn out of porportion? i really wonder what he's gonna say.

I'm going with "the situation wasn't exactly the same therefore the principle is different!".
Don't expect logic and his own words to slow down a self-entitled troll like Moriarty, he has sponsors to please after all.

Dude, the irony is that the situation WASN'T the same and therefore the principle IS different. 

But don't expect logic to slow down a rage-filled and vengeful audience like you, and the others on this forums. He has other like-minded forum-members, as well as an ego the size of NY, to please after all.

I'd love for you to provide some kind of evidence to suggest that the principle is different. Because all you are doing so far is talking like it is so without actually proving anything. As if your opinion is more insightful than others.

Care to list your points in a constructive was so we can discuss them? Or are you just going to resort to insults and attacking members who are unhappy with the ending?

[Tony Redgrave]

Hehe, excellent article.

[Creston918]

Yep, that was before Moriarty was indirectly bought and paid for by EA. (or rather, told by his bought-and-paid-for bosses to write ludicrous articles about the doom of videogames if Bioware fixes their crappy ending.)

It's funny how the people who complain against the Hold The Line / Retake Mass Effect, whatever you want to call it, people are the ones using far more hyperbole and throwing far more tantrums than those who just want the ending that was promised to them.

[stormhit]

redBadger14 wrote...

The fact that Forbes, arguably the most prestigious business media publication in the United States and possibly elsewhere, is defending the fans of Mass Effect 3 upset over the endings and asking for new/revised/elaborated endings says A LOT. Especially since they are totally giving the gaming journalist sites a run for their money.

Glad to see Forbes is calling the gaming sites out for labeling us "whiny, entitled fanboys who do not understand or appreciate art."

It says that they have a section of blogs and bloggers, and ED Kain's particular niche of what he's blogging about at Forbes is tech/business related geek stuff.

I've made similar comments many times already, but Kain deserves sole credit for his blogging, not Forbes for doing little more than hosting it.  If you like his stuff, you should check him out at his other blog mentioned in his bio on the side too.

Modifié par stormhit13, 22 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Sepharih]

Rockpopple wrote...

marshkoala wrote...


@Rockpopple 
I don't know I a thing about Infamous 2 and so I can't comment.


What I can say is that I watched the IGN video and it was a raving rant against fans requesting change. It was really offensive to me, being 51 and playing the game, if you're going to disagree you can do so in a civil manner.


That said the Forbes article points out the inconsistencies with Colin's past comments.

Forbes' article doesn't go deep enough. All it does is show a surface so-called contradiction in Colin's past statement without going into how the two circumstances are COMPLETELY different.


But I bolded the real reason behind the love for Forbes and the hate for Moriarty. This is undeniable. It's not about trying to point out "inconsistencies" and "hypocrisy". It's about revenge. Pure and simple.

You have yet to establish that they are completely different.  The distinction you are making is irellevant because we are not arguing from a financial or economical standpoint about their ability to produce more content, nor was IGN.  It's moot.
We are arguing from a moral and philosophical standpoint about "artistic integrity" and "creators rights" and what say if any the fans have in the artist's creation.  You can't say its a dangerous precenent for fans to get a creator to change his work when you were championing another developer for listening to what their fans wanted and letting go of their own vision just a few months back.  You can change your mind but you can't have it both ways.

Modifié par Sepharih, 22 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[ObsidianAgent]

YohkoOhno wrote...
Actually, I think Forbes is now trolling for Google Hits. They've spent way more time on discussing ME3 that makes sense. As I've said elsewhere, this Kain is only slightly connected to Forbes. Forbes gives him a blog and lets him run with it. This is not the same, IMO, as having content in the main magazine.

He's spending way to much time on ME3 and not enough on other technology. I think he's enjoying the traffic.

Because there's a story there right now and he's sticking with it. And the story's doing exactly what any editor would want - increasing circulation and enhancing Forbes' credibility with a new demographic. I also suspect there may be a teensy bit of pride involved, considering Kain was initially critical of reported homophobia until he realised he'd been the victim of someone's misinformation to discredit the dissatisfied.

[wh00ley 06]

Kain should change his name to Holmes and keep owning Moriarty

[Brian.V3]

Rockpopple wrote...

marshkoala wrote...


@Rockpopple 
I don't know I a thing about Infamous 2 and so I can't comment.


What I can say is that I watched the IGN video and it was a raving rant against fans requesting change. It was really offensive to me, being 51 and playing the game, if you're going to disagree you can do so in a civil manner.


That said the Forbes article points out the inconsistencies with Colin's past comments.

Forbes' article doesn't go deep enough. All it does is show a surface so-called contradiction in Colin's past statement without going into how the two circumstances are COMPLETELY different.


But I bolded the real reason behind the love for Forbes and the hate for Moriarty. This is undeniable. It's not about trying to point out "inconsistencies" and "hypocrisy". It's about revenge. Pure and simple.

Actually the article was a pretty read and comprehend. 

It's either you are for changing based on fan outcry or you are not. When Moriarty stated that he was all for changing based on fan outcry. But now that Mass Effect 3 "might" be doing something about the fan outcry he is not for it. Then goes on about how changing just for the sake of fan outcry is a bad precedent for any company to make. Yet as proven by past games either post or pre launch it has happened before. So how is BioWare who "might" be doing something about this outcry be setting a bad precedent when it has been done? 

That's the argument people here have against IGN's latest vid commentary aside from the whole only a handful of people hate the ending statement. 

[AxholeRose]

Why did that IGN guy name himself after the saloon owner from New Vegas?