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[cipher86]

but is okay with post-release changes made to Infamous 2's protoganist, in fact Colin Moriarty (the same guy who says changing ME3s ending sets a "bad precedent") says it's a good sign for the industry:

http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1114043p1.html

Here he is bashing the ME3 ending situation:

http://www.metacafe....rous_precedent/

Their opinions are based on who's paying them that day.

Modifié par cipher86, 22 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Squallypo]

ign ppl can go eat chocolate for all i care for

[ringdrossel]

... or if you get yourself an ingame character ^^

[jamesp81]

And not changing them will be bad for business.

In everything, there are tradeoffs.

[Mr Indivisible]

they broke their own art.

Simply put, they established their art through three games. The central artistic feature of these three games was to involve the player in the important decision points in the art, affecting the shape and form of the art.

In the final act of Mass Effect 3, they take a dramatic shift away from the established artistic vision, removing all of the players choice->cause->effect relationship with the story, and replacing it with a simplistic non-interactive dialogue, and a basic A,B,C choice all of which end the same. This simple change breaks the prior established artistic values of the game, it stands in sharp contrast to the rest of it, and creates a massive degree of cognitive dissonance in the user. Removing them from affecting the artistic form.

[tetrisblock4x1]

IGN can suck my dick.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were been payed under the table or offered ads or other incentives. The dozens of less popular journalists aren't dependable either. Nobody bribes them, but journalism is rather competitive so when they review games and write articles they're primarily concerned with saying whatever they think that the fans want to hear. It helps to boost their readership and makes them popular.

[Farbautisonn]

IGN has zero credibility at this point. Move along.

[Accism]

Colin Moriarty is a hypocrite. He's supported games for listening to fans in the past, as explained by Erik Cane on Forbes:

http://www.forbes.co...native-endings/

Modifié par Accism, 22 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[TheNevincer]

I'm not even clicking that link because I don't want to give IGN any hits. I'm well and truly done with them.

[Blackadderthethird]

It's an entertainment product pieced together by many different art forms. The game itself isn't art

[syllogi]

Colin Moriarty is a jerk who knew where my father was going, but wouldn't tell me until I shook some poor woman down for caps. He also treats his ghoul bartender very poorly.

[BobbyDylan]

IGN is just scared Bioware might cut their employee out of the game.

[Everwarden]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...
I wouldn't be surprised if they were been payed under the table or offered ads or other incentives

Under the table? 

IGN has a character in the game. They're being paid right on top of the table while french kissing and lathering one another in money-sauce.

[Chala]

If IGN says that this is a failure...
Then this must be the one of the best decisions that BW has ever made.

[Everwarden]

BobbyDylan wrote...

IGN is just scared Bioware might cut their employee out of the game.

If Bioware wanted to make fans happy this would be a scene in the upcoming ending DLC:

Diane Allers: "Hey, Shepard, good job killing all the reap-"
Bang!
Shepard: Boom. Headshot. 

[Lux]

Extremely tight deadlines are also bad for art but I guess that's ok for him. And poorly implemented endings are ok too as long as creative control is asserted. Consumers should just to pay, play and shut up. What a wonderful world that is...

[HowlingSiren]

I just have one word for IGN: whatever.

[ManualReplica]

Ahahah, large casual videogame reviewers, the true kings of contradictions.

[sillyrobot]

Mr Indivisible wrote...

they broke their own art.

Simply put, they established their art through three games. The central artistic feature of these three games was to involve the player in the important decision points in the art, affecting the shape and form of the art.

In the final act of Mass Effect 3, they take a dramatic shift away from the established artistic vision, removing all of the players choice->cause->effect relationship with the story, and replacing it with a simplistic non-interactive dialogue, and a basic A,B,C choice all of which end the same. This simple change breaks the prior established artistic values of the game, it stands in sharp contrast to the rest of it, and creates a massive degree of cognitive dissonance in the user. Removing them from affecting the artistic form.

This.

Plus artistic integrity is not a right or a privilege extended to artists  Fundamentally, artistic integrity is an artist refusing to alter the product away from their vision to please his consumers.  A consumer can't "take away" artistic integrity -- it is internal to the artist.

A consumer can convince the artist to provide a product more in to his liking by bribing/extorting the artist.  The artist has to decide if the change to the product is worth the offer.

But always remember, an artist is a provider.  If he doesn't provide something that the consumer wants, he reaps no reward regardless of the quality or how well the product offered matches the artist's vision. 

Hopefully the artist is objective of his own art so as to not confuse stubbornness with integrity. It is a sad day when an artist refuses to change to a product to bring it more in line with his own vision because he is too proud to see its flaws.

Modifié par sillyrobot, 22 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Good find. I'll take your word for it and will not click those links.
Garbage like that deserves to be buried deep into internet anonynity.

[fwc577]

Just goes to show they will look to say anything that will get them a few more hits imo.

[batlin]

To IGN writers, publisher demands = ok for art

fan demands however = bad for art

You can't spell IGNorance without IGN

[Annie_Dear]

syllogi wrote...

Colin Moriarty is a jerk who knew where my father was going, but wouldn't tell me until I shook some poor woman down for caps. He also treats his ghoul bartender very poorly.